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Managerial merry-go-round

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rurikbird

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Quite a few prominent clubs are changing managers next season:
  1. Arsenal – Wenger out, top 3 candidates to replace him by odds are Luis Enrique, Ancelotti, and Rodgers, not a bad company to be mentioned it for ol' Brendan!
  2. Chelsea – Conte out, it seems like their top 3 candidates are Enrique, Allegri and Sarri.
  3. PSG – Emery out, Tuchel seems to be the odds-on favorite. To me it seems like a strange choice to hire an unlikable, self-absorbed character to manage a team of over-indulged prima-donnas.
  4. Juve – Allegri is probably leaving after growing "tired of winning", no idea who they are considering as replacements.
  5. Napoli – if Sarri leaves will probably hire another obscure Italian manager.
  6. Bayern – took themselves out of the merry-go-round by filling their vacancy with their GM's best buddy, Robert Kovac.
  7. Borussia Dortmund – Peter Stöger's position is not secure, I would say it's less than 50% that he will survive as manager until next season's winter break.
  8. Monaco – reportedly interested in Arsene...
There could be a few more openings before the season is over.
 
Saw that Stojkovic also is a candidate for the Arsenal job, at least if Wenger will have any say in who takes over.
 
It will be an interesting summer managerwise. We also have the World Cup which means quite a few International managers will be out of the job in June.

Kovac to Bayern is an interesting choice. I see the snipe of him getting the job due to be the best buddy of salahalabala (?) and that might well be true. However, Bayern is filled up with old Pro's in different positions, and I Guess they all have to agree this is good. Normally they would have gone for some reputed heavyweight or veteran (Arsene, Allegri, Emery, Mourinho, Conte, Loew etc could have been mentioned) , so it is cool to see they dare to put their own reputation at stake with a gamble here. Also surprised that when they take a different direction they look past the Young German managers that have some degree of success.
 
I wouldn’t be surprised if Zidane gets the boot - unless they win the CL.
 
If I was on the board of Arsenal football club, my shortlist would be Jardim, Allegri, Simeone, Conte and Ancelloti.
Ancelloti is probably the most decorated of the managers on the list and not tied to any existing contract.
 
Don_al_Trump said:
If I was on the board of Arsenal football club, my shortlist would be Jardim, Allegri, Simeone, Conte and Ancelloti.
Ancelloti is probably the most decorated of the managers on the list and not tied to any existing contract.
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It seem like a few of those candidates are short term, while others would build up the Club long term. Simeone is probably a very good shout for the long term, while ANcelotti will be there 2-3 years max, and I am not sure that is a good solution for such a job.
 
Don_al_Trump said:
If I was on the board of Arsenal football club, my shortlist would be Jardim, Allegri, Simeone, Conte and Ancelloti.
Ancelloti is probably the most decorated of the managers on the list and not tied to any existing contract.
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I think they've been working on this for over a year. Bringing in the new staff, which Wenger clearly never wanted, was a sign of that, so I don't think they've just sacked him and are looking for who is around. They've been in talks for ages, apparently with Enrique, and it's being finalised soon.
 
gkmacca said:
I think they've been working on this for over a year. Bringing in the new staff, which Wenger clearly never wanted, was a sign of that, so I don't think they've just sacked him and are looking for who is around. They've been in talks for ages, apparently with Enrique, and it's being finalised soon.
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Lots of backroom movements indeed.
 
Buddha said:
Nailed on for Rafa to get a top job in the summer.
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Looks likely on paper given his strong finish of the season and Newcastle unlikely to give him any money to spend.
Where could he go though? He probably wants to stay in England and I can't see Arsenal or Chelsea going after him
 
jan said:
Looks likely on paper given his strong finish of the season and Newcastle unlikely to give him any money to spend.
Where could he go though? He probably wants to stay in England and I can't see Arsenal or Chelsea going after him
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Does his wife still live in Liverpool?
 
jan said:
Looks likely on paper given his strong finish of the season and Newcastle unlikely to give him any money to spend.
Where could he go though? He probably wants to stay in England and I can't see Arsenal or Chelsea going after him
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If Pochettino leaves Spurs then I can see Levy seeing him as someone who can win things.

Beyond that, Italy/Spain calls.
 
Oliver Twist said:
What big jobs in Spain/Italy do you think he might get? Rafa's days at the bigger clubs are over.
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Not too sure about that. I still think he has a good reputation out there. Maybe not Bayern or Juve, but I can see him taking the reigns of At Madrid if Simone leaves or AC Milan when Gattuso get the boot.
 
Insignificance said:
Not too sure about that. I still think he has a good reputation out there. Maybe not Bayern or Juve, but I can see him taking the reigns of At Madrid if Simone leaves or AC Milan when Gattuso get the boot.
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I can't see Rafa taking A.Madrid being a Real man.

AC Milan would be a good job for him.
 
Looks like Arsenal's top choice is Allegri – good choice, if they can get him. Then if he leaves Juve, I'm almost certain it's going to be Ancelotti to replace him, a perfect manager in theory to oversee an aging squad, although his last 2 appointments have been disappointing.
 
Indie are reporting Arteta close to becoming Arsenal Manager. I would be pissed if I was their fan. If this is true, then they have an owner that has no ambition and does not care for the club
 
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Don_al_Trump said:
Indie are reporting Arteta close to becoming Arsenal Manager. I would be pissed if I was their fan. If this is true, then they have an owner has no ambition and does not care for the club
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That sounds unambigious. His first big test was when Guardiola was sent to the stands in the CL quarter and he looked lost on the sidelines as his team fell apart. He might be a good Coach, but quite uninspirasjonal for New signings, current "stars" and the fans.
 
If you look at the management career paths of some of the most prominent coaches in the world right now, it's possible to separate them into 3 rough categories:

1. Italian World: take years to build careers from grassroots level.
Allegri: 4 clubs in Serie C and B, then Cagliari, then Milan and Juve
Ancelotti: Reggiana in Serie B (promoted), then already a big job with Parma (unusually quick rise for an Italian coach)
Simeone: 4 clubs in Argentina, Catania in Serie A, then Atletico Madrid (not Italian by birth, but clearly by mentality and career choices)
Conte: 2 teams in Serie B, then Atalanta, Siena, Juve, etc

2. Middle Europe: a balanced path from mid-table to the top
Klopp: Mainz, Dortmund, Liverpool
Tuchel: Augsburg, Mainz, Dortmund, PSG
Heynckes: Gladbach, then Bayern etc
Wenger: Nancy, Monaco, Japan, Arsenal

3. England, Spain, Portugal and Holland: go big right away
Guardiola: Barcelona etc
Zidane: Real Madrid
Mourinho: Benfica, Uniao de Leiria, Porto etc
Van Gaal: Ajax, Barca, etc
Hiddink: PSV, Fenerbahce, Valencia, Real Madrid etc

In terms of producing the best average quality of managers, the first path is clearly superior – Italian and Italian-educated managers generally dominate in the football world and they hardly ever need to hire a foreigner in Serie A (and unimaginable for the national team). But in terms of top, top talent I would argue that career path almost doesn't matter – the true greats of coaching will end up at the top either way, whether their first job is Barcelona or Reggiana. With all that said, I feel that for Arsenal's identity it would be actually more natural (and in a way more noble) to give a chance to someone like Arteta rather than step onto the "international coaching merry-go-round" with the usual names.
 
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manwithnoname said:
"they hardly ever need to hire a foreigner in Serie A"

That's a really weird statement. Need to? Or want to? Or can afford to?
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I think 'want' is the keyword here. From dipping into their sports papers around the Roma games it was clear the incredible sense of superiority the Italians have in respect of their footballing nous. Everyone else are playing the game like mindless savages.
 
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