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Adam Johnson Held Over Sex Claim

Still doesn't matter.. He's 27.

There's absolutely no moral excuse.

It's wrong.
 
"Hello, is that the police? I read that report about Alan Johnson and I feel obliged to reveal that he molested me, too, when I was the same age".

"This is fascinating news, madam, and let me assure you we'll believe you. His name is actually 'Adam' - we all misremember these things, but you might like to write that down for future reference - but as you repeated verbatim what was published online in the original report, I must say the similarities are so striking it's impossible to doubt this actually happened. I don't suppose you were also attacked in some way by anyone from the BBC?'

"I'll have a think".
 
I suppose you have made the best argument possible for being allowed to shag 15 year olds Froggie.

15, virtually the same as 16 and that's legal

See above.

Of course the age of consent is completely arbitrary, based on UK societal acceptance, and actually has very little to do with sexual or mental maturity. That doesn't mean it's right, the law still needs to be upheld. However you only have to do a tour of the world to realise the law (this law) has little to do with what is 'right' and everything to do with religion and in this instance UK mores.
 
Do you think that a 27 year old man should be allowed sleep with a 14 or 15 year old?

That's a totally different issue and nothing at all to do with legality. I don't see you up in arms or adding posts to the General Chat when a 75 yr old marries a 22 yr old !
 
Do you think that a 27 year old man should be allowed sleep with a 14 or 15 year old?
Well that's the problem.

You cannot legislate for the age or age difference of one partner. So if it's legal for an 18 year old to sleep with a 16 year old then it's legal for a 68 year old to do the same too.

Which is abhorrent when you think about it, but there you go.

I'd argue few people are morally mature enough to make sensible sexual choices until 18 or older. However any teenager will argue with that. I had sex at 14 & many of my mates did too, there's no way the girls we were having sex with were mature enough, even if we were (doubtful) but you only realise that, ironically, with maturity.

Whilst 16 seems too young to me, I also understand that it's almost impossible to enforce or stop a horny teenager having sex, be they boy or girl, so the line has to be drawn somewhere. I had my own place & was working aged 16!
 
I think this is one of the subjects where the law can fuck off.

Chomo's shouldn't, and rightly aren't tolerated, regardless of any fine lines.

Prison rules in this case, I say.
 
Well that's the problem.

You cannot legislate for the age or age difference of one partner. So if it's legal for an 18 year old to sleep with a 16 year old then it's legal for a 68 year old to do the same too.

Which is abhorrent when you think about it, but there you go.

I'd argue few people are morally mature enough to make sensible sexual choices until 18 or older. However any teenager will argue with that. I had sex at 14 & many of my mates did too, there's no way the girls we were having sex with were mature enough, even if we were (doubtful) but you only realise that, ironically, with maturity.

Whilst 16 seems too young to me, I also understand that it's almost impossible to enforce or stop a horny teenager having sex, be they boy or girl, so the line has to be drawn somewhere. I had my own place & was working aged 16!


Well, actually you can. You can say that people under the age of 18 can sleep with people under the age of 18. Anyone over the age of 18, can't. Or something along those lines.

Anyway, that isn't really the question in this case. A 27 year old man slept has been charged with sleeping with someone under the age of 16. That's illegal, whether they were 1 day under 16, or 15 years under 16.
 
Well yeah, of course, cos there does have to an arbitrary line somewhere.

Can the law take into account stuff like how they met? For example, if he's out on a night out in a bar it's fair to assume everyone in the bar is over 18, so if they look over 18 & don't say otherwise it's basically intrapment, isn't it?

Not saying that is what's happened in this case, but it's not hard to imagine.
 
Well yeah, of course, cos there does have to an arbitrary line somewhere.

Can the law take into account stuff like how they met? For example, if he's out on a night out in a bar it's fair to assume everyone in the bar is over 18, so if they look over 18 & don't say otherwise it's basically intrapment, isn't it?

Not saying that is what's happened in this case, but it's not hard to imagine.

I used to have a bar in my garage.

Never had any teen bints in it though.

Fuckin' shit life I've had, irony is I use my garage to escape females now.
 
If you need to go as low as 15 (even if you think she's 18) when you're 27 you should probably reevaluate how you talk to women
 
If you need to go as low as 15 (even if you think she's 18) when you're 27 you should probably reevaluate how you talk to women

Very often it's the girls choice. My daughter has a girlfriend of around her age (25) who only dates older guys (and I mean 50+), of course Daddy issues but that's irrelevant, it's still her decision.
 
Just for comparative purposes (and to highlight the public (and SCM) knee-jerk JJ mentions) the legal age horny school-girls can engage in consensual sex :

Age 14: Albania, Austria, Bulgaria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Liechtenstein, Macedonia, Montenegro, Portugal, San Marino, Serbia

Age 15: Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Greece, Iceland, Monaco, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden
Age 16: Andorra, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium, Finland, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Moldova, Netherlands, Northern Cyprus, Norway, Russia, Spain (just raised from 13 yrs old), Switzerland, Ukraine, United Kingdom

Age 17: Cyprus, Ireland
Age 18: Malta, Turkey, Vatican City

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe


Sorry Froggy but the above Wikipedia list is very very misleading. I can inform you for a fact about one, Germany, and I'm sure there are a few on that list who are similar. The 14 years age of consent is only if both sexual partners are 14 years of age or slightly older and the law is there to decriminalise the act and protect children. Sex between a 27 year and a 14 year is trouble.
 
See above.

Of course the age of consent is completely arbitrary, based on UK societal acceptance, and actually has very little to do with sexual or mental maturity. That doesn't mean it's right, the law still needs to be upheld. However you only have to do a tour of the world to realise the law (this law) has little to do with what is 'right' and everything to do with religion and in this instance UK mores.

You have to make a cut off somewhere. There will be 15 year olds who are more mature than 16 year olds, yes, but the law is the law. There is nothing in my DNA that says I was more able to handle a few pints at 18 years old than 17 years and 364 days. This law has a lot to do with what is 'right'. If you can say it's ok the person was only 15 years and 364 days, then you can say 15 years and 363 or 362 days is the same and where do you stop on the that sliding scale?
 
Very often it's the girls choice. My daughter has a girlfriend of around her age (25) who only dates older guys (and I mean 50+), of course Daddy issues but that's irrelevant, it's still her decision.

25 is completely different though

That said, and I've probably said this before, my weirdo line manager has a 24 year old wife and a 32 year old daughter, I can't imagine that being anything other than the most awkward meeting ever
 
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