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are we fucking buying anyone or what like?

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Yeah, just checked won 2 games. But drew 3 in the league, 2 away and 1 at home to Leicester.
In the CL they played 3, one win, one draw and one loss.

The point was in those 8 games they scored 6 goals.
And in them 8 games they only concede 4 goals which is very impressive and is why they don't need to score as many goals as us to get wins or even draws out of games. I've not included league cup games as they played pretty much reserve teams.
 
And in them 8 games they only concede 4 goals which is very impressive and is why they don't need to score as many goals as us to get wins or even draws out of games. I've not included league cup games as they played pretty much reserve teams.

Fair enough, but those two scoreless games ended their CL chances.
They had 3 draws on the bounce before he came back in the league.

If he missed the rest of the season through injury they would probably finish outside of the top 4 unless Janssen suddenly started to score goals.
 
Jesus was bought last summer, and recalling Nathan Ake on loan doesn't merit discussion.
Jesus might have been bought last summer but he only joined the squad this month so It seems relevant to me and Ake was on the Bench for Chelsea Yesterday so Conte must feel he adds something to the squad in the absence of Terry.
The whole discussion isn't just about adding players to go into our first team but to bolster the squad in areas that were lacking suitable replacements.
 
Fair enough, but those two scoreless games ended their CL chances.
They had 3 draws on the bounce before he came back in the league.

If he missed the rest of the season through injury they would probably finish outside of the top 4 unless Janssen suddenly started to score goals.
Actually it was the Monaco game after Kane had come back that ended their Champions League chances. Kane scored in that game as well.
Granted they would struggle without Kane if he was out for the rest season but so would Chelsea without Costa , Arsenal without Sanchez, United without Ibrahimovic , City without Aguero and Everton without Lukaku. Even us at the moment without Mane.
 
Actually it was the Monaco game after Kane had come back that ended their Champions League chances. Kane scored in that game as well.
Granted they would struggle without Kane if he was out for the rest season but so would Chelsea without Costa , Arsenal without Sanchez, United without Ibrahimovic , City without Aguero and Everton without Lukaku. Even us at the moment without Mane.

1 point against one of the other teams that qualified set them in that position.
Chelsea have Bastchuyi and can play Hazard/Pedro upfront, Arsenal have Giroud and Perez, United have Rashford, Rooney and Martial, City have Ihenacho and now Gabriel Jesus and Everton I cant be bothered to think about.

Spurs are probably the team that would be hit the most if their open mouth fog horn cunt of a striker got injured.
 
Actually it was the Monaco game after Kane had come back that ended their Champions League chances. Kane scored in that game as well.
Granted they would struggle without Kane if he was out for the rest season but so would Chelsea without Costa , Arsenal without Sanchez, United without Ibrahimovic , City without Aguero and Everton without Lukaku. Even us at the moment without Mane.

But we would be fine without Klavan, so we should set up a special something for Costa Next tuesday
 
Senegal are playing Cameroon in the quarter finals of the AFCON this Saturday.
After the Matip debacle it feels wrong to cheer on Cameroon but getting Mane back would be so much better.
 
1 point against one of the other teams that qualified set them in that position.
Chelsea have Bastchuyi and can play Hazard/Pedro upfront, Arsenal have Giroud and Perez, United have Rashford, Rooney and Martial, City have Ihenacho and now Gabriel Jesus and Everton I cant be bothered to think about.

Spurs are probably the team that would be hit the most if their open mouth fog horn cunt of a striker got injured.

We suffer badly if we loose Firmino. We play way better With him up front than any other..... WHen he has been putting in a shift at the wing for Coutinho we havent looked the same. Yes we have won games and Origi got a 4 (5?) matches were he scored, but we loose some rythm in Our game. Firmino up front seem to be Our key.
 
We suffer badly if we loose Firmino. We play way better With him up front than any other..... WHen he has been putting in a shift at the wing for Coutinho we havent looked the same. Yes we have won games and Origi got a 4 (5?) matches were he scored, but we loose some rythm in Our game. Firmino up front seem to be Our key.

We still have Studge, Origi and soon Mane aswell. Spurs have Janssen and maybe Son.
 
1 point against one of the other teams that qualified set them in that position.
Chelsea have Bastchuyi and can play Hazard/Pedro upfront, Arsenal have Giroud and Perez, United have Rashford, Rooney and Martial, City have Ihenacho and now Gabriel Jesus and Everton I cant be bothered to think about.

Spurs are probably the team that would be hit the most if their open mouth fog horn cunt of a striker got injured.
Bastchuyi has 1 league goal so i don't see how he's an adequate replacement for Costa who has 16, Hazard and Pedro are both very good players but not centre forwards.
Giroud and Perez have 8 league goals between them compared to Sanchez's 15 and neither has the all round game as well as goals that Sanchez gives them.
Rashford, Rooney and Martial have league 7 goals between them this season compared to Ibrahimovic's 14.
Iheanacho has 4 whilst Aguero has 11 and Gabriel Jesus has only just joined the squad so who knows how long it'll take him to adapt to the premier league.
Nearly all the top teams are reliant on 1 outstanding player scoring lots of goals for them. We are luckier than others as we spread the goals around but with Mane missing (still our top league scorer) the team isn't functioning as well as it was earlier in the season.
It obviously didn't hurt Spurs that much when Kane was out as they kept in contention and are now above us in the table with a better goal difference despite us having scored 6 more goals than them. They also had champions league football to contend with whereas we didn't.
 
Ok. So none of this has anything to do with this thread. Please start appropriate threads for the discussions.

There is the following crap compendium threads already:
Confirmed Transfers Thread
Rumours
January Transfer Thread

If you insist on not starting threads please use those accordingly.

The Spurs discussion is interesting but has no place on this thread about whether we're buying anyone.

This thread will be locked if this continues. Any complaints will be met with a ban.
 
Ok. So none of this has anything to do with this thread. Please start appropriate threads for the discussions.

There is the following crap compendium threads already:
Confirmed Transfers Thread
Rumours
January Transfer Thread

If you insist on not starting threads please use those accordingly.

The Spurs discussion is interesting but has no place on this thread about whether we're buying anyone.

This thread will be locked if this continues. Any complaints will be met with a ban.
You actually read through 25 pages to reach that shitty conclusion? Can't complain about that (for obvious reasons) ;-)
 
Ok. So none of this has anything to do with this thread. Please start appropriate threads for the discussions.

There is the following crap compendium threads already:
Confirmed Transfers Thread
Rumours
January Transfer Thread

If you insist on not starting threads please use those accordingly.

The Spurs discussion is interesting but has no place on this thread about whether we're buying anyone.

This thread will be locked if this continues. Any complaints will be met with a ban.

Lol
 
Klopp's proper fucked this one up like. Our defence is total shit.

There are decent component parts: Milner has out-tperformed expectations at LB, Clyne is quality and Matip looks decent in the few games we've seen so far, but the goalkeeping situation is dire, and there's little doubt that we need at least one new CB, because I simply don't trust Lovren and Klavan is shit.

It's certainly very concerning especially when the widely derided joke defence of Man City has been a topic of debate in the media for months now, and we've only conceded one less goal. We're just as shite as they are, and we arguably have a better keeper and a less "adventurous" playing style - ie we don't always try and pass out of defence
 
If the transfer rumours were accurate, our scouting department/ transfer committee did spot the likes of Dembele, Mor and Guerrerio.

While it's good not to settle for 2nd best or poorer alternatives, the stubbornness/persistence to be 'devoted'/focused in the chase for a particular player can be dangerous.

Zieliński is an example and perhaps Dahoud (to a lesser extent) is another. Following/chasing the player for an extended period of time and eventually failing to wrap up the signing.

It is admirable of Klopp to believe in coaching and improving players and not over-indulge in signings players as a simple solution to getting results but we should also consider factors such as the position we are in (league position, progress in cup competitions, injuries/suspensions etc.) and the competition we are facing for the targets at the point in time.

How sure are we that we will be able to land the likes of Brandt and Pulisic in the summer to forgo other feasible targets/be reluctant to pay slightly over the odds for them now? Clubs who are well stocked in the relevant departments are less likely to join in the chase whereas competition is sure to increase in the summer. Then, let's say we suffer due to the lack of strength in depth and options and fail to make it for CL next season, surely that'll hurt our chances of landing intended targets further?

Besides, is it really bad to have alternative choices when chasing a signing for a particular position? Surely that's logical? It is up to the scouting department and transfer committee to make sure that the candidates on the list are of as high a calibre as possible.

*Edit. This was what Monchi said in last year's interview with Guardian.

[article]Monchi pulls out his phone and, carefully reducing the image so the names can’t be seen, says: “That gives us this.” A colour-coded spreadsheet shows players by position. Around 250 potential targets, in all positions. “The manager says: ‘I want a left-back who averages 11km a game, runs 800m at full speed, uses both feet.’ And from these, 10 will fit.”

Negotiations come next, where you have to know the market, have an alternative, and be realistic. “The guy selling a Seat Leon will claim it’s a better model,” Monchi says. “Kanouté wasn’t the first option; we were going after Fred, the Brazilian. We wanted [Kevin-Prince] Boateng before Keita. And if a player says: ‘Chelsea want me,’ I say: ‘What are you talking to me for, then?’ But if Swansea or Spurs want you, let’s talk. I sell the city, the club: a serious club that pays as promised, which sounds trivial but isn’t.”

There’s no guarantee, of course. “After a month [Yevhen] Konoplyanka wanted to throw himself off the balcony. I try to really know the player but there are always surprises. Grzegorz Krychowiak, aged 19. You think: ‘What’s a Pole going to be like here?’ But it turns out he’s the most sevillano bloke ever. Arouna Koné was our most expensive signing and scored two in 41; he goes to Levante, a ‘weaker’ team, and scores 17.”
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I am a bit ignorant so I had to look up this Monchi guy on Wiki to find out who he was ... so, apparently, he is the guy responsible for developing Alberto Moreno
 
There are decent component parts: Milner has out-tperformed expectations at LB, Clyne is quality and Matip looks decent in the few games we've seen so far, but the goalkeeping situation is dire, and there's little doubt that we need at least one new CB, because I simply don't trust Lovren and Klavan is shit.

It's certainly very concerning especially when the widely derided joke defence of Man City has been a topic of debate in the media for months now, and we've only conceded one less goal. We're just as shite as they are, and we arguably have a better keeper and a less "adventurous" playing style - ie we don't always try and pass out of defence

Matip looks very good and we havent lost a game were he has started yet. The quality of the other CB's arent very good mind. Lovren has 2-3 good games and then a performance like the one on Saturday.
Klavan is a 4th choice CB and should be playing week in and week out.

That 3rd goal on Saturday still bugs me.

Anyhoo, Gerrard wants us to sign van Dijk. I think we all do in all honesty.
 
I as much as anyone would like to handpick a few players from that Soton team (CB and LB for starters) but it's becoming a bit of a joke isn't it? I mean if we do buy one or two how many have we then 'plundered' from the South coast in recent years.. 8? 9?

It's almost as if they are actually doing a better job at scouting players than we do ourselves so perhaps we should sign their scouts instead?
 
Ha! Jesus fucking C.
Pulisic signs a new contract today. We can forget that one for a while at least. Extended his contract with 1 year.
 
I am a bit ignorant so I had to look up this Monchi guy on Wiki to find out who he was ... so, apparently, he is the guy responsible for developing Alberto Moreno
Well, He's the DoF, not coach. More like the guy who got almost £20m from us for Moreno and Alberto and then made a small profit on Aspas from selling him to Celta Vigo after taking up the option to sign him permanently after his loan spell.
 
Well, He's the DoF, not coach. More like the guy who got almost £20m from us for Moreno and Alberto and then made a small profit on Aspas from selling him to Celta Vigo after taking up the option to sign him permanently after his loan spell.

8 trophies in 9 years and a 160 mill £ profit.

Not sure if this way of working would suit every club but the results are amazing:

‘The first five months of the season we watch an incredible amount of football but with no particular criteria,’ he says.

‘There are 16 scouts and each concentrates on his league and every month comes up with an ideal XI. In December, with all the accumulated information, we start to look at the players who made the ideal XI month after month. We end up with around 700 names.

‘We now all forget our own leagues and focus on the players. We watch them five or six times each under different circumstances — home, away, international. And then from the first of May we do another ideal XI with around 20 players for each position.

‘People ask me why we don’t concentrate on positions that we know the team needs to strengthen. With Sevilla’s model we are never sure where we will need to strengthen because we don’t know where we will sell.

‘We have learned from our mistakes. Real Madrid bought Sergio Ramos in 2005 and we were left on the last day of the transfer window completely lost because we had not prepared.

‘The main victim of our model is the coach. Even if we get the replacement right, new players still need to adapt. That is why we tend to start seasons badly.’
 
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