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Gary25

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Is quite astonishing really.

That United game did it for me. Everyone from my mates, to people in the boozers, to people in ground thought we just had to show up Sunday and we'd turn the Mancs over.
A lot of pundits and the bookies etc had us as favourites as well to be fair but generally speaking, you'd think us as Liverpool fans would know better than to count our chickens so to speak. Hate to mention this, but it was the same before that infamous Chelsea game last season. People getting too carried away.

We've often come unstuck when we've been favourites before games before - Carling Cup Final 2012 against Cardiff, FA Cup 2006 against West Ham to name but two other examples of note.

Reality check needed.
 
Gary25 said:
Is quite astonishing really.

That United game did it for me. Everyone from my mates, to people in the boozers, to people in ground thought we just had to show up Sunday and we'd turn the Mancs over.
A lot of pundits and the bookies etc had us as favourites as well to be fair but generally speaking, you'd think us as Liverpool fans would know better than to count our chickens so to speak. Hate to mention this, but it was the same before that infamous Chelsea game last season. People getting too carried away.

We've often come unstuck when we've been favourites before games before - Carling Cup Final 2012 against Cardiff, FA Cup 2006 against West Ham to name but two other examples of note.

Reality check needed.
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Didn't we win those?
 
Red Mullet said:
Didn't we win those?
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Ha, well yes, but still, people thought we'd beat those teams easily.

Basically, I can't stand the arrogance some of our fans show. There's no harm in being confident and bullish etc but we get hammered from other Club's fans for good reason at times... Not that it matters much, but still.
 
Well we wasn't arrogant in Istanbul and we won that, nor in Cardiff 2001. Got schooled but still won.

Still arrogance in any form is pretty poor. So i get your point.
 
I think it was more a case that we expected to win given our recent form. Plus, United haven't been great and their team (player-wise) is no great shakes.

United performance took everyone by surprise - their own fans included - and, it was extremely good. Van Gaal had it spot on and it's the second time in a week that an opposing manager got the better of us tactically from kick off, which is worrying.

What also contributed against us was Mata being brought in from the cold and having a stormer, which is a bit of luck on Van Gaal's part and also Sod's Law on our part.
 
I just thought we were given a lesson in desire and preparation. We didn't have the correct starting mentality and got going way too late, which is very disappointing in a local derby.
 
Gary25 said:
Is quite astonishing really.

That United game did it for me. Everyone from my mates, to people in the boozers, to people in ground thought we just had to show up Sunday and we'd turn the Mancs over.
A lot of pundits and the bookies etc had us as favourites as well to be fair but generally speaking, you'd think us as Liverpool fans would know better than to count our chickens so to speak. Hate to mention this, but it was the same before that infamous Chelsea game last season. People getting too carried away.

We've often come unstuck when we've been favourites before games before - Carling Cup Final 2012 against Cardiff, FA Cup 2006 against West Ham to name but two other examples of note.

Reality check needed.
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I dont really understand your point. Are you saying that regardless of form and odds we should ALWAYS believe we are going to lose every game?
This is a very weird post Gary.
 
Gary25 said:
Is quite astonishing really.

That United game did it for me. Everyone from my mates, to people in the boozers, to people in ground thought we just had to show up Sunday and we'd turn the Mancs over.
A lot of pundits and the bookies etc had us as favourites as well to be fair but generally speaking, you'd think us as Liverpool fans would know better than to count our chickens so to speak. Hate to mention this, but it was the same before that infamous Chelsea game last season. People getting too carried away.

We've often come unstuck when we've been favourites before games before - Carling Cup Final 2012 against Cardiff, FA Cup 2006 against West Ham to name but two other examples of note.

Reality check needed.
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If we'd have turned up we would have won, probably is we didn't.
 
It is bit strange. We all got maybe not arrogant but certainly complacent in the latter part of the era when we were winning titles, but with a fair enough reason - we DID used to win most games easily. I don't get it now - personally I expect all games to be tough, but it doesn't really matter. What does matter is what the players think, and that's a bit baffling. Were they expecting an easy game or were they scared it would be as hard as it turned out to be? Steve Peters seems as much help at the mo as one of those 'body language' experts who pop up on reality shows.
 
I didn't hear many fans bigging us up to be honest, the press did, so the United fans are bound to be all over that. It's swings and roundabouts, if United were favourites and we did a number on them, most of our fans would be giving it out to the United fans. Fair game really.
 
Yeah Gary, odd post for me too. We hadn't lost in 15 league games, playing at home and recently battered Man City. We justified favoritism. A lot of that fan confidence is bravado to mask the fear of losing to a rival.

Too many of our players had an off day. You can get away with one or two having a stinker but the team as a whole was poor. It wasn't a reality check for us, more of a kick up the arse. We should be going into every game thinking we can win without allowing complacency creep in.
 
gkmacca said:
It is bit strange. We all got maybe not arrogant but certainly complacent in the latter part of the era when we were winning titles, but with a fair enough reason - we DID used to win most games easily. I don't get it now - personally I expect all games to be tough, but it doesn't really matter. What does matter is what the players think, and that's a bit baffling. Were they expecting an easy game or were they scared it would be as hard as it turned out to be? Steve Peters seems as much help at the mo as one of those 'body language' experts who pop up on reality shows.
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In fairness he only does a relatively small number of sessions these days, and by video link at that, so (a) he spends far less time with the players than before and (b) it's at one remove anyway. I can't really see the point of such an arrangement. Either pay him a retainer so he makes LFC his priority, or get somebody else (he surely can't be the only quality option) who can devote the time needed AND do it in person.
 
Actually Gary, I don't agree with your thread title either man. There isn't much arrogance amongst our fan base at all. Perhaps that title would have been apt back in our hay day but we've had far too many false dawns since then to be arrogant. We've had to endure other clubs prosper and we've continually played catch up or pulled of a cup success to stay competitive.
 
I am more concerned about the arrogance of players, with most of them not bothering to turn up on Sunday.
 
I think he's making the point that when we get on a run we get ahead of ourselves and assume we're going to just go out there and beat teams no questions asked. Not fair to say everybody think that way, but a lot do. We were on a good run, but we got extremely lucky in a couple of games (Swansea and Southampton) and caught City in the middle of a bad run. United were still ahead of us in the league and despite poor performances were picking up points. It was a similar situation with the Chelsea game last year. The vast majority of people thought the league was a foregone conclusion, ignoring the fact that Chelsea had beaten Man City home and away and deservedly beat us at Stamford Bridge.
 
All my mates were talking as if we'd won the league before the Chelsea game. I refused to accept this because we could still fuck up easily

I agree there was an arrogance last year. And it fucked me off.
 
Fabio said:
All my mates were talking as if we'd won the league before the Chelsea game. I refused to accept this because we could still fuck up easily

I agree there was an arrogance last year. And it fucked me off.
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Maybe the problem isn't the arrogance amongst the many as much as it is the lack of belief amongst the few?

I now blame you for us not winning the league last year.
 
Fabio said:
All my mates were talking as if we'd won the league before the Chelsea game. I refused to accept this because we could still fuck up easily

I agree there was an arrogance last year. And it fucked me off.
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Was it more of a case of wishful thinking than arrogance? A sense of bravado creeping into our mindset to convince ourselves we were winning it?

I was bricking it last year but still sat in Anfield after the city game singing "We're gonna win the league". I wanted to believe it.

Obviously we have a section of deluded arrogant fans, perhaps that's who Gary is alluding to.
 
Herr Onceared said:
I dont really understand your point. Are you saying that regardless of form and odds we should ALWAYS believe we are going to lose every game?
This is a very weird post Gary.
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See now you're completey twisting my words. Did I not say there's no harm in being confident and bullish about our chances of winning this game or that game? Nothing wrong with that whatsoever.

My problem is(not that it matters a job) is a lot of fans getting carried away and thinking we've beaten teams and usually big teams before a ball has been kicked. Chelsea last season and United this. I'm not saying every Liverpool fan does it, but I listen to a lot of football phone ins, LFC fans podcasts, look at this forum and RAWK etc and it's a reoccurring theme.

I'm not going to tell someone how they should support their team, but I do think a reality check is needed at times.
 
Fans can get carried away all the like Gary. You can be as confident as you like sitting in your sitting room. You are only letting yourself up for a fall I suppose. We just need to make sure that this mindset doesn't creep into the mindset of the players and they become complacent. Who cares if some fans just think we need to show up to win. As long as the players are aware of the task at hand we'll be okay. The players obviously didn't perform against United and I hope they show more fight against Arsenal.
 
To stand in your sitting room you require a standing order. A standing order can only be issued by the Standing Order (Sitting Room Context) Committee, which is chaired by Keith Vaz MP.
 
ILD said:
Fans can get carried away all the like Gary. You can be as confident as you like sitting in your sitting room. You are only letting yourself up for a fall I suppose. We just need to make sure that this mindset doesn't creep into the mindset of the players and they become complacent. Who cares if some fans just think we need to show up to win. As long as the players are aware of the task at hand we'll be okay. The players obviously didn't perform against United and I hope they show more fight against Arsenal.
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Yes it's each to their own mate, I get that.

Maybe I'm being harsh here but I just honestly feel a lot of our fans get carried away only to end up with egg on their face...we support Liverpool afterall thus we really shouldn't take anything as a given, ever.

I guess anything and everything pisses you off when we've lost.
 
Gary25 said:
Is quite astonishing really.

That United game did it for me. Everyone from my mates, to people in the boozers, to people in ground thought we just had to show up Sunday and we'd turn the Mancs over.
A lot of pundits and the bookies etc had us as favourites as well to be fair but generally speaking, you'd think us as Liverpool fans would know better than to count our chickens so to speak. Hate to mention this, but it was the same before that infamous Chelsea game last season. People getting too carried away.

We've often come unstuck when we've been favourites before games before - Carling Cup Final 2012 against Cardiff, FA Cup 2006 against West Ham to name but two other examples of note.

Reality check needed.
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"Reality check needed" from the guy who doesn't think Eden Hazard is any good.

Do one Gary.
 
Gary25 said:
See now you're completey twisting my words. Did I not say there's no harm in being confident and bullish about our chances of winning this game or that game? Nothing wrong with that whatsoever.

My problem is(not that it matters a job) is a lot of fans getting carried away and thinking we've beaten teams and usually big teams before a ball has been kicked. Chelsea last season and United this. I'm not saying every Liverpool fan does it, but I listen to a lot of football phone ins, LFC fans podcasts, look at this forum and RAWK etc and it's a reoccurring theme.

I'm not going to tell someone how they should support their team, but I do think a reality check is needed at times.
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Gary thats just bravado and bluster from the fans. Surely you know that? Surely you know MOST fans dont think we have beat teams like United before we have?

I think youre just totally wrong.
 
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