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Van Gaal is insane and falls out with everyone. Wonder how good a match he'll be for Spurs.
 
Why am I arguing over martinez? You threatened to give up on us if we hired him

He's done very well this year and won a trophy recently. He's made some smart signings, and with financial backing could be very good for the shite, or arsenal

He's just got lucky this season. - either that or i completely overreacted, and I was absolutely wrong and that can't be so :). I still think one season of doing well, just puts him up there with Pardew right now. With having one moderately good season. Arsenal have a far easier run in as well.
 
He's just got lucky this season. - either that or i completely overreacted, and I was absolutely wrong and that can't be so :). I still think one season of doing well, just puts him up there with Pardew right now. With having one moderately good season. Arsenal have a far easier run in as well.
Surely you've watched them play this season, and seen the obvious footballing philosophy Martinez has.
Can't believe you're comparing him to Pardrew.
 
He's just got lucky this season. - either that or i completely overreacted, and I was absolutely wrong and that can't be so :). I still think one season of doing well, just puts him up there with Pardew right now. With having one moderately good season. Arsenal have a far easier run in as well.

Nah, Martinez is doing a very similar job to Rodgers, only with a significantly lesser squad in terms of talent.

Arsenal will be pulling up trees to get him (I'm convinced Wenger will retire this summer).
 
Nah, Martinez is doing a very similar job to Rodgers, only with a significantly lesser squad in terms of talent.

Arsenal will be pulling up trees to get him (I'm convinced Wenger will retire this summer).

Hopefully they don't, Arsenal will become much more threatening once they get rid of that tired old has been and replace him with someone competant.
 
Well, I didn't want to say like, but yeah!
http://sixcrazyminutes.com/index.php?threads/will-arsenal-burn-themselves-out.37469/
and
http://sixcrazyminutes.com/index.php?threads/spurs-are-they-title-contenders.36279/

I only asked the questions.
At the start of the season I didn't expect us to do as well as we have done. My hope was that if we finish at least 6th that would show positive trajectory, but at no point in any of my posts did I label our team as "amateurs".
 
Surely you've watched them play this season, and seen the obvious footballing philosophy Martinez has.
Can't believe you're comparing him to Pardrew.

Fair cop, I only really barely get to see us, but let's see how he does without loanees.

Like I said, season 1 he has worked wonders. Next season we shall see. We've got to remember he was in a relegation battle year after year. If he was that great, we would have seen more from Wigan than the drop zone (yes I know about the cup, but he got relegated in the same season, and every year barely kept them up).

Equally I could be completely wrong and he's the second coming on the Mersey. Signs look good, but for me, he's got a lot to prove to be a manager of the clubs mentioned above. Let's not rush to snap judgement like the know nothing's in the papers.
 
Not sure how big a part Nicola Cortese played in making those signings but the big money signings like Gaston Ramírez and Pablo Osvaldo only made 5 starts between the 2 of them this season whereas both Wanyama and Lovren missed chunks of the season, especially the former. So their success isn't directly linked to the amount of money spent.

Of their regular XI:
Boruc - Free transfer
Clyne - £2.5m compensation
Fonte - £1.2m, rose with the club from League 1
Lovren - £8.5m
Shaw - Academy
Schneiderlin - £1.2m, rose with the club from League 1
Davis - Free transfer
Ward-Prowse - Academy
Lallana - youth signing from Bournemouth, rose with the club from League 1
Rodriguez - £7m
Lambert - £1m, rose with the club from League 1

Of the 22 squad players used (one of the lowest in the league), 5 are below 20 yrs old. There's obviously the type of football they play and this being the manager's 1st full season in a new league too. No guarantees if the bubble will burst but the signs are definitely encouraging.

On a sidenote, their wage bill is £47.1m in 2013, compared to (9) Newcastle's £61.7m, (10) Stoke's £52.5m and (11) West Ham's £56.2m

5 games left to get 7 points and surpass their highest Premier League total of 54 points.

Wow! Is that definitely accurate Binny?

That is the stuff of myth and legend right there.


As for the managers - Spurs need an absolute monster to go in there and force some concrete into about half the players if they're going to compete in this league. They need Van Gaal and a very good psychologist who can keep the players sane during the process.

Martinez - looks perfect for Arsenal but I don't think he'd consider leaving Everton yet cause he'll feel he owes them something. Plus, why would he leave - Everton look a very exciting project and, as mark says, a lot of potential depending on what Kenwright does.
 
Wow! Is that definitely accurate Binny?

That is the stuff of myth and legend right there.


As for the managers - Spurs need an absolute monster to go in there and force some concrete into about half the players if they're going to compete in this league. They need Van Gaal and a very good psychologist who can keep the players sane during the process.

Martinez - looks perfect for Arsenal but I don't think he'd consider leaving Everton yet cause he'll feel he owes them something. Plus, why would he leave - Everton look a very exciting project and, as mark says, a lot of potential depending on what Kenwright does.

Kenwright being the key here. IF they get into the CL, Kenwright will have to provide Martinez a big budget (after they get through the qualifiers), as well as all the rest of the money they got for Fellaini.
Did Moyes ever get the money to spend after Rooney, Rodwell, Klingon, etc? Genuinely don't remember but I have my doubts.
 
Kenwright being the key here. IF they get into the CL, Kenwright will have to provide Martinez a big budget (after they get through the qualifiers), as well as all the rest of the money they got for Fellaini.
Did Moyes ever get the money to spend after Rooney, Rodwell, Klingon, etc? Genuinely don't remember but I have my doubts.

They are going to spend most of their cash on building bedrooms at their new training ground! Martinez wants to make sure he can monitor the amount of sleep his players get!
 
i remember a couple of seasons ago wondering who the up and coming managers were , there didn't seem to be many exciting ones coming through or getting the top jobs . Now there's Simeone , klopp , conte , Martinez , De boer (some say) and of course Rodgers . It's an interesting period with fresh faces who mostly play good football . Oh and that guy Moyes at united is doing a great job .
 
You forgot Brendan Rodgers from your list.

I intentionally left him out because he is satisfied here (big club, decent transfer funds etc...). The others on the list could be I believe be persuaded to move particularly to Arsenal and Man Utd. Barcelona I'm certain will look for a new manager and I'm pretty sure Diego Simeone will be appointed to that post.
 
Ex-AC Milan coach Massimiliano Allegri will become Tottenham boss in June [Corriere dello Sport]
http://www.corrieredellosport.it/calcio/calcio_mercato/2014/04/18-358001/Clamoroso Allegri. Riparte dal Tottenham

[article]According to Italian daily Corriere dello Sport, Massimiliano Allegri has agreed to become the Tottenham coach next season, and the Italian will bring Mauro Tassotti with him as a coach at White Hart Lane.

The rumours in Italy contradict the rumour mill in England which had seemed to believe that Louis van Gaal would become Tottenham’s new coach this summer.

Suggestions in Italy is that the deal for Allegri and Tassotti to move to Spurs is done.

Furthermore, it’s also been reported that Allegri has been living in London over the past few months in order to learn English, which should help his transition to White Hart Lane.

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They all turn bad after going to Spurs anyway, so it doesn't matter really. Anyway, he won Milan's first Scudetto in 5 or 6 years I think in his first season there. Next 2 seasons he finished 2nd and 3rd, something like that.
 
Klopp has just signed a new deal and would not renege on his contract last time a big club came knocking (Bayern ?) and has said that he would always honour his contract. he's not going anywhere.

United : will keep Moyes.
Spurs : I think they'll go for an established manager not one of the 'new kids on the block'
Arsenal : Martinez looks a good fit.
Everton : they are fucked because they already have the best they could have hoped for.
Chelsea : oops getting carried away or wishful thinking.
 
Between now and the end of next season, I would expect the following:

Man Utd: Moyes has up to December to get it right. If they're still playing shit and are outside of the top four by then, he'll be shown the door. Unfortunately.

Chelsea: If / When Mourinho doesn't win anything this season and if/when he continues with the solid but pulse-slowing football style, he'll be shown the door at the end of next season, even if they do win something by then - unless it's something extraordinary, like a treble or something.

Arsenal: If Wenger doesn't win the FA Cup in May, I think he'll finally throw in the towel. A shot at bringing in de Boer and/or the untested Bergkamp given the changes at their Academy, perhaps? They've appointed the Dutchman Andries Jonker to lead their Academy, another Dutchman Frans de Kat to lead their U-18s and - you guessed it - yet another Dutchman Jan van Loon to lead their U16s. Won't surprise me if the U21 manager is replaced by another Dutchman in due course as well.

Spurs: They'll bring in someone and sack him within a year or so.

Everton: No change until the end of next season. Whether he is poached after that, I guess, depends on what happens with them next season. Hard to say now, as we don't really have an idea what they'll have up front next season.
 
I would be surprised if Martinez went to Spurs, although I could see him going to United or Arsenal.

Having said that, I doubt that Wenger will leave this summer and I suspect United will give Moyes at least another season. Aside from anything else, he has a long and expensive contact, the club's revenues will be down after failing to qualify for the CL next year and they won't want to be paying him off.
 
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