OK, fair enough. We are all going a bit nuts but Mark's post was thrashing out in all the wrong directions IMO. It shouldn't go personal either, gkmacca is a good poster as Mark is himself.
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OK, fair enough. We are all going a bit nuts but Mark's post was thrashing out in all the wrong directions IMO. It shouldn't go personal either, gkmacca is a good poster as Mark is himself.
No he just saves that for anyone who dares to hold a view different to his own. Not even you do that Peter.
I've always thought Rodgers was a bellend. Right from day one. Just look at him. He looks like he's gonna wander over blinding you with the stench of Old Spice as he tries to sell you an Audi and gets his phone out to show pictures of some girl he fancies on tinder. He's an utter fucking quilt. But he provided the best season of football I've seen here for two decades. Some of the best matches ever. I thought he should have been fired after the stoke disaster in May but I was happy enough with the signings and I don't know how better someone else would do. Look at how everyone else bar citeh is doing. It's hardly an exact science. But I do know if he was fired tomorrow I wouldn't give a fuck. I wouldn't care. I'd never look to see what he did anywhere else. He's a tool. But we all watch a tool's game.
As for why he did ok at Swansea... Fuck's sake, the difference between doing well relatively and doing well actually. Does this really need explaining? Your son who everyone else knows is a dick might paint the best picture in his class but it isn't getting hung in the Tate.
This right here, is a thread winner.
Is that really true?
I know he's often being mocked and what not but he had a lot of support during and after the title challenge season and was basically hailed as our saviour by many. That support fell away in the following season but as a result of his team more than anything.
It is true that Rodgers isn't enjoying the good will that others have before him (bar one manager in particular) but then that's probably more of his own doing than anyone elses.
It's not really though is it? People were posting as early as October last year that they wanted him out. 5 months after nearly winning the title, that's fickle by anyone's standards. Myself and Lefty have defended him more often not because he was getting ridicule for the sake of it, repeated abuse from the same posters unnecessarily. We've both said enough times that if he goes he goes, it wouldn't necessarily be unfair, we'll move on and support the next guy, but what do we get in response? Called super-fans and cheerleaders, etc, but God forbid should we call out his detractors for bludgeoning their point to death.
The fact the support dwindled away as quickly as it arose tells you all you need to know about how much backing we're willing to give managers. They don't get time these days and we're as trigger happy as the next football fan.
IMO we the fans expected us to go after world class players as a replacement for Suarez and when it didn't happen then almost everyone could figure out what would happen if Sturridge got injured. We the fans also expect our manager to have the balls to stand up to FSG. If he risks his job then so be it because then he would at least tried his very best. Now he came across as a yes sayer. A weak manager.
We the fans can accept that the results isn't that great as long as the manager show that he can handle the pressure and have the balls to stand by his system and balls to stand up to FSG. A strong manager. A manager that shows that even a draw isn't a good result. Only three points is a good result. That is how you build up the mentality in the squad. You then sign players that can cope with that pressure.
We've bought lots of players but have a wafer thin squad. I just can't understand loaning so many out when we have so many games to play. Is Rodgers bombing off all the Comiteh signings to make a point?
But this is were I get really, really frustrated by the points that people make, because you've basically contradicted what happened. We did go after World Class players, we wanted Sanchez but he wouldn't come here (we also wanted players like Costa, Willian etc the season before). Every party involved has said we wanted Sanchez. The player, the club and Arsenal, even his bloody wife! I get your point that we left ourselves short, but that's where the fantastic committee fell well and truly on it's arse, because it's methodology of having alternative options has proven time and again to be flawed. Rodgers said he didn't want Mario and then a week later we sign him. We made him look like a fucking chump.
Ultimately we fucked it up, but let's not rewrite history and pretend we didn't try to sign a Suarez replacement, because we clearly did.
I don't think he needed any help in that department.
Ha, we made him look like a bigger chump then.
Rodgers was in an excellent position last summer after our second place finish and brilliant football. That we signed Balotelli only show that he didn't had the balls to fight FSG. He acted very weak. He didn't want to risk his job. If you want to be the manager of Liverpool FC then you sometimes must fight our owner and risk your job.
I doubt that Sanchez would have turned us down if we had a big name manager. A manager with a great CV. He said that he moved to Arsenal because of his wife but would he said the same if we had offered him £200k a week? No one will ever know that answer. We offered him more money than Arsenal but sometimes you must offer a player fantasy wages to show how important he is to our plans. I doubt that it was only because of his wife that he moved to Arsenal. It was IMO a combination of a lot of things. Wages, London, CL every season etc.
Wouldn't that itself be a committee decision?
I find that support in football is often judged in the same way as faith in religion - as something that is expected of you and there is a framework of rules upon which it will be judged on. And of course, the support for a particular club is obviously better than others.
The romanticism and escapism of football is great and ultimately is why we're all here but I don't see the need to make it something more than it's not. I'm all for giving people a chance to prove themselves but that's pretty much where it ends. After that they get judged like anyone else would. Support needs to be earned just as in every other walk of life.
We're all pretty jaded at Liverpool these days but I'd argue that Rodgers has been given a chance despite the fact that there was very little to go on initially. He's not been able to translate that into continued support - that's on him and / or those above him.
But that's just my take on it. I know that perhaps I'm not a supporter in the same way you perceive yourself to be but then that just goes to show you can't make sweeping generalizations about our "support". It might be the case that the greater percentage of our "support" is at your end of the spectrum.
Nah, he is perfectly capable of that himself. He is a helper you know.
Yeah, we did, but to be honest we should have had a number of targets identified rather than just play shit or bust with Sanchez. It's like everyone at the club were so taken aback when he didn't sign for us that they all stood open-mouthed for a month or so before entering into the blind panic that was Eto'ooo or Balotelli. It was poorly done.
I'm criticising the lot of them here, though. I think we're sub-par from top to bottom when it comes to the way the club is run. Actually, that's not fair - Inglethorpe is very good and some of the coaches are also very good, but I think the owners, the executives, scouts, manager are all out of their depth.
The real problem is the owners. They're fucking useless at the football side of things. They've had years now to put a coherent plan in place but seem to chicken out at every opportunity. It's crazy.
Yeah I think that's a good point. They clearly must be commercially astute in the industries / sports they know well. Their biggest mistake was in not appointing somebody who a) understood British and European football but who wouldn't get involved in day to day team matters b) had strong commercial acumen and c) would be based ideally in Liverpool but if not in London. In other words, they should have appointed David Dein.
They tried. Repeatedly. He won't do it out of loyalty to arsenal (possibly wants a return there in future?). He agreed to be a consultant of sorts whilst they bought the club & offer them general advice regards new stadium building etc, but wouldn't become an employee of the club or work directly on club business. I'm also told he turned down an extremely lucrative contract.
The fact they tried for David Dein and then gave up rather than approaching the next best person actually makes them seem even more pathetic.
Worse, it fits a pattern.
Worse, it fits a pattern.
Yes, I mean he would have been perfect but surely there were others they could have turned to?
What do you know of the man?
Christ, the pomposity of it. Not so much Batman and Robin, more like Leopold and Loeb.
It's not being handed well at all by the club. Personally I think, a week or so before the season, the PR department should have organised another one of those 'Brendan Meets the Supporters' sessions, like in his first season. The original one worked extremely well - he loved to talk tactics, charmed many of the guests and that sent out many positive vibes throughout the forums and podcasts. Obviously it would have needed to have been more carefully vetted this time around, but that kind of interaction shows supporters a bit of the human being behind the public persona, and gives Rodgers a sense of what the fans wanted to see. That kind of re-boot of the relationship was badly needed. It might not have worked, but it was surely worth a try, because without it nothing's really been positive. This fortnight of internationals is another decent opportunity for the same sort of thing, but the club is hopeless about showing some initiative. What Rodgers needs is him and the fans sharing a siege mentality. It would have given him a few more months of breathing space.
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