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Curtis Davies bamboozled by rampant Liverpool as optimism continues to grow at Anfield

CURTIS Davies looked up and saw Adam Lallana trying to bamboozle him, the blistering pace of Sadio Mane threatening chaos, Roberto Firmino ghosting into space and Philippe Coutinho offering brush strokes of genius.

By PAUL JOYCE

PUBLISHED: 22:30, Sun, Sep 25, 2016The Hull captain peered to Liverpool’s left where James Milner was marauding up and down the wing. Over to the right to find Nathaniel Clyne charging forward relentlessly and then he spotted Georginio Wijnaldum linking everything together.
Only a few minutes had elapsed, but the template for another rampant Liverpool success was set.
Jurgen Klopp’s golden rule for his players is “be an option or be protection” and when the team comes together like this, swarming relentlessly over hapless opponents, the football is scintillating.
In the circumstances, Davies could have been forgiven for beating a hasty retreat from Anfield. Instead, he provided an illuminating insight into just what it is like to be at the eye of the storm when Klopp’s side find their rhythm.

“When you play against a Liverpool team that is vibrant, exciting and enjoying itself it is tough,” said the centre-half. “They are a side which literally plays with (Jordan) Henderson and the two centre-halves at the back and the rest can go where-ever they want.

“That is not ill-discipline, it’s organised. The inter-changing, the good football, the passing - they are a very, very tough team to deal with when they are on their game.

“It is hard to lay a glove on anyone, put it that way. When there is so much inter-changing you cannot put your mark on one person.

“It is tough to try and get in and try and make a tackle which makes them think again because literally one second Mane will be in that hole, then Lallana and then Coutinho.

“With the full backs playing like wingers it becomes very difficult because you end up with backs against the wall.”

Those not present will promote two caveats in trying to puncture the bubble of optimism building at Anfield. Yet the first – ‘it was only Hull’ – can be dismissed because this was exactly the sort of fixture Liverpool have previously struggled in.

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Curtis Davies (L) couldn't deal with Liverpool at their best
The second – Hull had 10-men for an hour – can also be picked apart. The excellent Lallana had conjured the breakthrough when Ahmed Elmohamady handled Coutinho’s goal-bound shot and was dismissed. James Milner converted the first of two penalties to maintain one-way traffic.
Still not convinced? Over once again to Davies, who came up with his own barometer with which to measure Liverpool’s dominance.

“Last week against Arsenal, we had 10 men but it was a different performance,” he said. “We were good. We kept hold of the ball but Liverpool, with their pressing game, they weren’t going to be satisfied with 3-0.

“They weren’t satisfied with 4-0 or scoring five. They wanted six, seven, eight and that is the difference. Arsenal were like, ‘We will sit, we will let them have the ball and then we will have it for another five minutes’.

“But Liverpool didn’t give you a chance to breathe to be honest.
“Arsenal are a very good passing team, but a lot of their stuff is on front of you. Nice little passes.
“Liverpool have that mix of nice little passes and then people who will run and run at you and beat you as well. Like Mane. Like Coutinho.

“They will open the game up just on their own by making runs and beating people. It is very difficult to take.

“When we went down to 10 men then, if I am being honest, as a Liverpool I would be thinking, ‘We can give them a hiding. Let’s be ruthless.’

“And they were ruthless.”

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Liverpool’s goal tally of 24 after eight competitive games this season is their highest in 121 years
Mane had stretched the lead by the interval and, seconds after David Myler claimed a consolation, Coutinho delivered the coup de grace from 25-yards before Milner obliged from 12-yards again.
There are questions which remain. For example, how reliable is Loris Karius? He was chosen ahead of Simon Mignolet but, as against Derby in the EFL Cup in midweek, was hardly tested.

Karius will start again at Swansea next Saturday with Klopp suggesting he will then reassess the goalkeeping situation to see who will be No1 against Manchester United immediately after the international break.

There are conundrums over the squad as a whole.

Liverpool are good. How good remains to be seen, but it promises to be fun finding out.
 
A far cry from us relying on a fragile, injury prone Daniel Sturridge to save the day and score all the goals (still rate the guy and think he can play a big part this season)
 
This is great. I love the comparison with Arsenal and difference between "passing in front of you" and destroying teams with speed and movement. When opponents talk about you this way, you are doing something right.
 
Davies just confirmed what I've been saying in other threads. Our opponents can't contain us because we have so many options in attack. We aren't so reliant on Coutinho and Sturridge as we were before.
 
When I posted before the game that i hope we win 8-0 it was not bluster. Our possession stats during games are way too high and since that Burnley game I think its safe to say we have learnt to both control a game based on situation and flood the box against bus packer fuckwits.

The collective intensity of our play is now the embodiment of Suarez the man. I expect us to destroy the opposition regardless of who they are. The defence is more assured with Matip and Gini in the middle who is controlling games. Its different and everytime i watch i get a hard-on its so good.

Even last season when we were fuckung up all over the place i could see what Klopp was trying to do. And i could not wait for each game coz it was gonna be exciting regardless.
 
Fair play to Davies, a nice complimentary interview and far better explained than many of the so called pundits out there. The fact he says we eclipsed Arsenal is the icing on the cake.
 
I'd forgotten that. Used to play it all the time ... it was possible to cheat becuase, if yuo got the answer wrong, you could recognise the page number for "incorrect" before the page loaded and if you hit "back" (or something) fast enough, the quesiotn would reload & you could have another guess
 
I think some credit should also go to Dalglish, and begrudgingly to that cock Rodgers. They helped to rid the club of its shit, boring and suicide inducing style of football which had preceded them for almost 15 fucking years.
 
Klopp's pressing style is not air tight. We have already seen other more skillful teams than Hull be able to easily keep the ball despite our press.

For instance, I really don't think our pressing won us the game against Chelsea. A fluke shot and a set piece did. The only real chance I can remember us getting from open play was Sturridge's shot that Courtois dropped and Origi's header in the second half.

But as long is it helps us bully lesser teams, long may it continue.
 
Klopp's pressing style is not air tight. We have already seen other more skillful teams than Hull be able to easily keep the ball despite our press.

For instance, I really don't think our pressing won us the game against Chelsea. A fluke shot and a set piece did. The only real chance I can remember us getting from open play was Sturridge's shot that Courtois dropped and Origi's header in the second half.

But as long is it helps us bully lesser teams, long may it continue.

That's a bit unnecessary. Henderson has scored a good few long range goals in a Liverpool shirt.
Would it be a fluke shot if Coutinho or Frimino scored it?
 
That's a bit unnecessary. Henderson has scored a good few long range goals in a Liverpool shirt.
Would it be a fluke shot if Coutinho or Frimino scored it?


Does he consistently score belters? Hence why I think it was a fluke shot.
 
Klopp's pressing style is not air tight. We have already seen other more skillful teams than Hull be able to easily keep the ball despite our press.

For instance, I really don't think our pressing won us the game against Chelsea. A fluke shot and a set piece did. The only real chance I can remember us getting from open play was Sturridge's shot that Courtois dropped and Origi's header in the second half.

But as long is it helps us bully lesser teams, long may it continue.
How many times have we played a Utd side in the last twenty years & come away thinking that it was a 50/50 game, but they won it in similar fashion? They did that against all opponents too. All the best teams do, we sure as hell did in our prime.

To quote Shankly directly:

"Funny isn't it, the harder we work, the luckier we get".
 
How many times have we played a Utd side in the last twenty years & come away thinking that it was a 50/50 game, but they won it in similar fashion? They did that against all opponents too. All the best teams do, we sure as hell did in our prime.

To quote Shankly directly:

"Funny isn't it, the harder we work, the luckier we get".
Yeah, it happens. They've smashed and grabbed us in the past as well.
 
Nice Interview but Davies was abysmal. He didn’t close the man and turned his back on the shot
 
Does he consistently score belters? Hence why I think it was a fluke shot.

He's scored a nice few 'belters'. Norwich, Swansea, Burnley, Man City, Chelsea. Think someone posted a vid in a different thread. I'm not saying he scores long range goals every week or anything but he took a touch to set himself and then buried it. It was a great goal, I wouldn't label it a fluke. That's harsh.
 
Swansea could prove to be a banana skin but our biggest test so far will come at Man Utd. Zlatan is world class and Moreen will have planning for weeks on how to tharwt us.
 
He's scored a nice few 'belters'. Norwich, Swansea, Burnley, Man City, Chelsea. Think someone posted a vid in a different thread. I'm not saying he scores long range goals every week or anything but he took a touch to set himself and then buried it. It was a great goal, I wouldn't label it a fluke. That's harsh.

Maybe I used the wrong term but downplaying his goal wasn't the point. You can just as well change "fluke" to "extraordinary attempt at goal" or "extreme effort" or "a perfect attempt" or whatever. I'm just saying that it was one of those goals from nowhere.
Like Coutinho's against Arsenal. Who the hell expected him to score from there?
 
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Also, Leicester scored a similar flukey belter of a goal this weekend, but cos they hadn't worked hard enough to begin with it didn't matter.

That hard work & creating chances, spaces & opportunity, whilst denying them the chance to do so enables 'luck' to win games, otherwise that same luck can be a consolation goal instead of a winner.
 
Maybe I use to the wrong term but downplaying his goal wasn't the point. You can just as well change "fluke" to "extraordinary attempt at goal" or "extreme effort" or "a perfect attempt" or whatever. I'm just saying that it was one of those goals from nowhere.
Like Coutinho's against Arsenal. Who the hell expected him to score from there?
That makes more sense.
 
Swansea could prove to be a banana skin but our biggest test so far will come at Man Utd. Zlatan is world class and Moreen will have planning for weeks on how to tharwt us.
You mean park the bus and hope we make an exploitable mistake?
 
Coutinho is now at the sort of level in which there is an "expectation" that he will score from attempts outside the box.

Because he's scored more than anyone else in the last two seasons.
 
As Dantes says, to be fair to Rodgers, our great strength in that title-challenging season was a similar kind of fluidity. We've taken that up a notch, however, and, thank god, we also have started to move the ball more rapidly from defence to attack.
 
I'd forgotten that. Used to play it all the time ... it was possible to cheat becuase, if yuo got the answer wrong, you could recognise the page number for "incorrect" before the page loaded and if you hit "back" (or something) fast enough, the quesiotn would reload & you could have another guess

I wish I had known that cheat!
 
As Dantes says, to be fair to Rodgers, our great strength in that title-challenging season was a similar kind of fluidity. We've taken that up a notch, however, and, thank god, we also have started to move the ball more rapidly from defence to attack.
Never seen us have so many attacking players starting a game.
Must have been the late eighties team that is somewhat comparable to this one. You know the one with Aldridge, Barnes, Beardsley etc.
 
We are scary good at the moment but I still expect us to fuck up, it's in our nature it seems.

There again, Klopp told us to believe and bit by bit we may get there under his guidance.

On Modo's point, the interesting thing is that we are finding different ways to "bamboozle" the opponents because we have so many game-changers in the squad now. We are scoring goal-of-the-month screamers every week and from different players but we can also score team goals and convert set pieces.

At some point maybe we will have a collective off-day because the speed of our passing and interplay is right on the edge, but let's just enjoy the moment
 
We are scary good at the moment but I still expect us to fuck up, it's in our nature it seems.

There again, Klopp told us to believe and bit by bit we may get there under his guidance.

On Modo's point, the interesting thing is that we are finding different ways to "bamboozle" the opponents because we have so many game-changers in the squad now. We are scoring goal-of-the-month screamers every week and from different players but we can also score team goals and convert set pieces.

At some point maybe we will have a collective off-day because the speed of our passing and interplay is right on the edge, but let's just enjoy the moment
Hopefully our off day (Burnley) is past us. We need to keep racking up them wins.
 
The scoring from set pieces thing is HUGE.

Every team always looks better when they score first, & when trying to find a side hard to break down (like when they have eleven men behind the ball at Anfield) a goal from a corner is a great way to make us relax & force them to try to play to get something out of the match.

Our inability to score the odd goal on even a semi consistent basis from a set piece in recent seasons has, imo, cost us a LOT of points, as it changes the dynamics of a match so completely.
 
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