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It would be interesting if Henderson steps up his game this Season.. I'd love to see it happen, he certainly has the potential too.. It would be great just to prove the fuckwits on here wrong..

A super charged goal scoring Hendo could be the missing link we are crying out for..
 
Not sure we'll ever see Henderson scoring Lampard style. I just want to see the Henderson of 2 years ago. The super fit, intelligent, non-wasteful, aggressive player that was so vital to our team when we had the attackers to trouble anyone.
Wijnaldum or whatever his name is, I have super high hopes for. He's got the skill, stamina and the ability to score a load of goals. Plus I love how he uses his body brilliantly to shield the ball. His quick interplay with teammates is great as well.
Him and Mane are great, great buys.
 
I have a feeling Henderson is the type that's great in training but shits himself during games.
 
I have a feeling Henderson is the type that's great in training but shits himself during games.

That's bullshit. You could say this about Hendo's first season here, but he proved himself on the pitch on more than enough occasions since then. Really hope he kicks on this season and proves all doubters wrong.
 
That's bullshit. You could say this about Hendo's first season here, but he proved himself on the pitch on more than enough occasions since then. Really hope he kicks on this season and proves all doubters wrong.
Yeah thats not gonna happen. But
*fingers crossed*
 
Has anyone given me a reason to change my mind? Henderson has had like one good season in five?

Let's not get into the argument now, Modo - but if Hendo starts the season really well, I hope you will acknowledge it. It's OK to be wrong - we all have been there; less OK to be stubborn or push an agenda.
 
Let's not get into the argument now, Modo - but if Hendo starts the season really well, I hope you will acknowledge it. It's OK to be wrong - we all have been there; less OK to be stubborn or push an agenda.

Of course I will. Just like I admittedly didn't think Sturridge would work out and he's my favourite player now.
But players like Henderson and Coutinho needs to start producing now.
I really don't want to hear about "distance covered" and "he ran his legs off", screw all that. Henderson needs to start helping us on offence. He needs to start getting those assists, controlling the play, distributing the ball, making us tick. That fucking side ways shit he served all season can fuck off.

Fucking be Milner for us basically.
 
Has anyone given me a reason to change my mind? Henderson has had like one good season in five?

1 in 5?. Now you're being ridiculous. He had a first season where he was a kid, overawed and struggling to find his feet. He had a good second season where he start to dovetail well with other players and then really pushed on in the title challenge season. In the season where it went tits up he was one of our best players. He had a bad injury and went off the rails for a season because of it, it happens. He hasn't had "one good season", that's ridiculous.

The stubborness you portray over these sort of subjects has most people wondering whether you really do actually want certain players to succeed. Your comment "Yeah thats not gonna happen" is just pure typical agenda riddled arrogance, just say you want him to fail, everyone fucking knows it anyway.
 
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Of course I will. Just like I admittedly didn't think Sturridge would work out and he's my favourite player now.
But players like Henderson and Coutinho needs to start producing now.
I really don't want to hear about "distance covered" and "he ran his legs off", screw all that. Henderson needs to start helping us on offence. He needs to start getting those assists, controlling the play, distributing the ball, making us tick. That fucking side ways shit he served all season can fuck off.

Fucking be Milner for us basically.

Sure. I think when fully fit he can be a much better CM than Milner - let's see what happens this season. Ryan's "training report" is encouraging.
 
5?. He had a first season where he was a kid, overawed and struggling to find his feet. He had a good second season where he start to dovetail well with other players and then really pushed on in the title challenge season. In the season where it went tits up he was one of our best players. He had a bad injury and went off the rails for a season because of it, it happens. He hasn't had "one good season", that's ridiculous.

The stubborness you portray over these sort of subjects has most people wondering whether you really do actually want certain players to succeed. Your comment "Yeah thats not gonna happen" is just pure typical agenda riddled arrogance, just say you want him to fail, everyone fucking knows it anyway.


The likelihood of him turning into Lampard over the summer is between slim and none. I'm done trying to "encourage" him.
 
The likelihood of him turning into Lampard over the summer is between slim and none. I'm done trying to "encourage" him.

I don't think he has to Modo, I think he just has to improve and stay fit. If he's over his injury he's got no excuses, and I agree with your point that him and Coutinho need to improve this season. That's a much better, fairer point than the initial dismissal you made of his chances. But Lampard is probably the best British midfielder of the last few decades behind Gerrard and Scholes (maybe), so it's not the fairest of benchmarks either. If he can start to weigh in again with goals and assists and overall start effecting our play again in terms of pressing, energy and attacking link up play (as he was a couple of seasons ago) then he'll be a more than useful asset again.
 
Sure, Hendo will not turn into a Lampard. On the other hand, Fat Frank couldn't come close to what Hendo does in terms of covering ground and pressing. Different players, different roles.

I think in this team Wijnaldum can be our Lampard to some extent, although his game relies more on speed in transition, whereas Lampard's biggest strength was his shot and also ability to pop up in the right space at the right time. Let's see how Grujic develops, in the two pre-season games so far he played the role of Lampard to perfection with clinical finishes from inside the box – hope he can translate that skill to the EPL level.
 
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Split from Ryan's training thread, can we talk about Henderon?

What are our thoughts on him this season? His prospects, will he get over his injury fully, what does he need to achieve to sustain his place in this team/squad?
 
We did have a pretty long thread about Henderson just a week ago – if anybody missed it, you should go back and read Ryan's post on the 2nd page. So to give some more material for discussion, here is Hendo's recent interview (I haven't watched it myself):

 
Here's Ryan's post again:

Right, so just to add a bit of perspective to some of the comments here relating to Henderson’s supposed inadequacies:

Firstly, “he wouldn’t get in United, City, Arsenal, etc’s sides”. That’s one of the shittest arguments ever, irrespective of Henderson. Giroud gets in Arsenal’s side as the main point of attack, but he wouldn’t get in ours. Would Rooney play ahead of Coutinho for us? Nope. Would Ivanovic get in at right back before Clyne? Would he fuck. Would Joe Hart get a game ahead of De Gea? Nope, and City have been a better side than United for 3 or 4 years. It’s a futile discussion, and in even contemplating it you’re exposing yourself as someone who evaluates teams on a page, as opposed to what they’re respective teams need, and how they’re constructed, and that players are constructed to compliment the team, rather than the construct of a fucking chalkboard. And it’s the 'importance to the team' point that assures me that Henderson is vital to us and Klopp’s Liverpool, but more on that later.

Secondly, “he offers nothing going forward”. Well depends on what your definition of ‘offer’ is really, but I don’t expect my central midfielder to score 15 goals and provide the same in assists. Not unless he’s Steven Gerrard. I expect my central midfielder to break forward from deep at the right time, to lead the team’s pressing, to create space for others, and to create openings that forwards who nominally are accounted for by an opponent wouldn’t get otherwise. The single best performance I’ve seen from a Liverpool side in the last 5+ years was the destruction of Spurs away in 2013-14. Everyone remembers Suarez’s role (and Jon Flanagan’s goal!), but check out Henderson’s contribution in this video. 1-0, 2-0, 3-0 – all as a direct result of him. Running from deep and carving openings. These aren’t your icing-on-the-cake goals when you’re already 5-zip up and showboating, this was breaking the game open shit. And he initiated it all. Look at those runs, the composure for the first, the timing of his surges forward, and the energy. He did that all year long. “Shit” players don’t do this stuff.

Firmino’s goal against the Mancs in the ¼ final of the Europa last year? Henderson running like a fucking maniac down the wing, overlapping Lallana, and providing the cross for the goal. That was 70 minutes in the second half, and he’s making runs forward that no one could track. He adds an energy to our attacking game that few others have.

And finally, “we have better players”. We might yeah. We had better technical footballers than Dirk Kuyt at the time too. We could have gone and bought a better midfielder than Steve McMahon back when we were the best side in the country as well, and looked like a sexier set-up on paper. But it wouldn’t have improved the team. McMahon was the perfect foil for Ronnie Whelan. I’ve no doubt there are better players than Henderson around, but I can think of few that embody what Klopp’s Liverpool need more than our captain. Let’s get him fully fit and see what his contribution to our side is. Cos Klopp wants pressing – all day every day, and tenacity, energy, and the ability to go forward in numbers. He wants the ball won back, he wants characters, and he wants cunts who hate losing. That's Henderson.

There are three keys to winning the ball back in Klopp’s gegenpressing (I appreciate I sound like a fucking knob typing that word but whatever); 1 – when you first lose it. It’s before the opposition have a set structure, and you can catch them out quickly. 2 – When an opposition player receives the ball in his own half with his back to goal – that’s usually a signal to charge at him. Every cunt’s got to be on the same page mind you. 3 – when an opposing full-back receives it in his own half. You gang up in numbers and hunt because the full-back has only 180 degrees max to move the ball into, as opposed to the 360 anywhere else. Soooo… It takes someone to coordinate that and lead it on the ground. This isn’t how you trap a ball and spray a pass, it’s how you press like no other side can and how you manage a bunch of teammates to win the ball back, leading from the front. Who else would you want in your side owning that shit than Henderson? If he’s not in Klopp’s side just about every week I’ll be stunned. The ball doesn’t just magically appear at Coutinho, Firmino or Sturridge’s feet, it has to be won back for them, and the quicker you do that then the more space and time those match-winners have to do something with it.

Anyway, I’m done. Henderson is no Steven Gerrard. We’re agreed on that. And he’s no Coutinho, or Emre Can either but neither of those two can do what Henderson does. So you add the sum of the parts together, and we’re a better side. Henderson in our side will improve us. I think he’s perfect for Klopp’s Liverpool, and to be clear – even without Klopp, Henderson is a fine Liverpool player and a fantastic captain.

This derision of him is either borne out of stupidity or summer boredom.
 
Henderson's great, he's not Lampard, he's never going to be Lampard, if he scores 5 league goals this season then that's fine, he doesn't need to be 20 goal a season Lampard lol. His strength lays in two places, in his pressing the ball, not just energetically but also intelligently, it's not just him chasing the ball like a headless chicken, he knows how to press the player and to force him to pass or move the ball the way he doesn't want to go, that's invaluable for pressing opponents as a unit. He's also a very very good passer of the ball, it's such an underrated part of his game by almost everyone, but when it comes to moving the ball around in the opponents half, slipping through a defence splitting pass, or putting in a peach of a cross, he's arguably the best player in the squad at it. That's the thing I missed about him most last season, I think his issues with his heel lost him that little bit of mobility which allowed him to break into the opponents half quickly and lead an attack this way, hopefully the heel has repaired itself and he's back to his best this season, because a fully fit and on form Henderson is one hell of a player, and without a doubt our best midfielder.
 
We've jinxed the poor guy now.

He's going to play like a beast for the first two games then suffer a season-ending injury. Well done 6CM...
 
Henderson's great, he's not Lampard, he's never going to be Lampard, if he scores 5 league goals this season then that's fine, he doesn't need to be 20 goal a season Lampard lol. His strength lays in two places, in his pressing the ball, not just energetically but also intelligently, it's not just him chasing the ball like a headless chicken, he knows how to press the player and to force him to pass or move the ball the way he doesn't want to go, that's invaluable for pressing opponents as a unit. He's also a very very good passer of the ball, it's such an underrated part of his game by almost everyone, but when it comes to moving the ball around in the opponents half, slipping through a defence splitting pass, or putting in a peach of a cross, he's arguably the best player in the squad at it. That's the thing I missed about him most last season, I think his issues with his heel lost him that little bit of mobility which allowed him to break into the opponents half quickly and lead an attack this way, hopefully the heel has repaired itself and he's back to his best this season, because a fully fit and on form Henderson is one hell of a player, and without a doubt our best midfielder.
If he could be Xabi Alonso, I'll be happy, he just needs to improve on his tackling and make one or two extra longer passes.
 
It depends how and where Klopp wants him to play but, in terms of stamina, changes of pace and technique, he could become a likeable version of Lee Bowyer. But he's a versatile lad, he could grow into several other roles in midfield, and his attitude has always been first rate. Hopefully this season sees him stay fit.
 
I like Ryan's post as it's thought out, structured and presents a positive argument. The unfortunate comparison I draw is remembering similar posts bigging up Joe Allen which does put doubt into my mind.
 
Has anyone given me a reason to change my mind? Henderson has had like one good season in five?

He was arguably better in 14-15...numbers wise at least. He was also massively improved in the second half of 12-13 when we started to see the first signs of Rodgers' Liverpool team at its attacking best.

So yeah, your view that Henderson has had "one good season in five" is in fact bullshit. Regards.
 
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