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Klopp set to build around Lallana with new £150,000-a-week deal
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Chris Bascombe09/02/2017 | 02:30
Adam Lallana will become the latest Liverpool player to commit his long-term future to the club by signing a new four-year contract.
Talks between Liverpool and Lallana's representatives are at an advanced stage, with the England international to shortly agree a deal worth £150,000 a week. The new terms will keep the midfielder on Merseyside until 2021, by which time he will be 32, having spent the peak of his career at the club.

Lallana moved to Liverpool from Southampton in 2014 for £25m. After a tough start when Brendan Rodgers was in charge, he has elevated his game and role under Jurgen Klopp's management. The 28-year-old thrived when used in a deeper midfield role earlier this season. He is also a key player for his country, and likely to be essential to England manager Gareth Southgate's rebuilding process.

Klopp has wanted Lallana tied down to Liverpool as he sees him as the foundation of the side he is building, despite their recent downturn.
Both at the end of last season and the start of this one, Lallana ranked among the Premier League's most consistent performers. An injury while on international duty in November upset his rhythm. Not coincidentally, Liverpool then stopped producing their free-flowing football with the same frequency.
 
Rosco said:
I find this deal concerning, a perfect example of what not to do if you want to win the league.
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I am not sure. Lallana in form is a very good player for us. He has been around for a few years, is English and he will be a guy setting a good example for the players coming in form abroad and need to learn their trade in PL. His attitude is good, he will be a leader in the team and it is not easy for others to take his Place. They will really have to prove their worth to get pass him in the line up. He also can play different ways, and has shown that he adopts well to Klopps style. The Money in the deal is also defendable, given we would have paid more if we sold him and bought a New one.

I think we should keep Our best players. There is enough uncertain cards in the deck that we can get rid of. I also think "recent" history has shown that we too easily get rid of the leaders in the Squad, and they are hard to replace. Alonso, Mascherano, Agger, Torres, Reina, Suarez.. Even Sterling were Close to be a leader, and that really shows we have sold the real leaders to early.
 
Dreambeliever said:
Why?
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Because no team with Lallana has ever won the league.

Or more likely that i think he'll be worse over the course of that contract and he's not worth 150k a week now.

The contract extension at age 28 is consistently one of our most damaging decisions.
 
Rosco said:
Because no team with Lallana has ever won the league.

Or more likely that i think he'll be worse over the course of that contract and he's not worth 150k a week now.

The contract extension at age 28 is consistently one of our most damaging decisions.
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I agree with the idea, but disagree with the first sentence

No team won the league with a 28 year old Gerrard either
 
Rosco said:
Because no team with Lallana has ever won the league.

Or more likely that i think he'll be worse over the course of that contract and he's not worth 150k a week now.

The contract extension at age 28 is consistently one of our most damaging decisions.
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I agree with you, though the first argument is rediculous.
 
Rosco said:
Because no team with Lallana has ever won the league.

Or more likely that i think he'll be worse over the course of that contract and he's not worth 150k a week now.

The contract extension at age 28 is consistently one of our most damaging decisions.
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He's not going to lose any pace as he gets older.

And while I do think there is some merit in your general argument, what player "in his prime" is going to accept a lower - or parity - wage offer from his club at that sort of age? Would you have cut Gerrard loose at 28? Or Suarez?

I think it's clever that clubs like Chelsea and Arsenal have shortened, reduced-term contracts for some plus 30 players, but at 28, Adam Lallana will be looking for the biggest contract of his career. Putting to one side your possibly atipathy to him as a player, would you just say no?

What would that do ti his transfer value?
 
The "playing in the Championship by the time he's 30" isnt going to well though?

I agree with the contract extenison, thats the right decision. But without knowing what he's on now, probably 100k ish, I dont get the jump to 150k.
If that is accurate obviously. Maybe the reported interest from other clubs were true.
 
manwithnoname said:
He's not going to lose any pace as he gets older.

And while I do think there is some merit in your general argument, what player "in his prime" is going to accept a lower - or parity - wage offer from his club at that sort of age? Would you have cut Gerrard loose at 28? Or Suarez?

I think it's clever that clubs like Chelsea and Arsenal have shortened, reduced-term contracts for some plus 30 players, but at 28, Adam Lallana will be looking for the biggest contract of his career. Putting to one side your possibly atipathy to him as a player, would you just say no?

What would that do ti his transfer value?
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Its not about pace. And he will still lose some, just less dramatically. There's much more to it and its more subtle - its the ability to recover from games and maintain a level of performance over the course of the season. Injuries are more likely later in a players career.

Gerrard - it was never on the cards not to because of who he was. But in 2009 he was given a contract at age 28 - and i think if you look objectively its hard to say we got value for money over the next six years.

Suarez - i would have been reluctant there too, unless i thought we were on the brink of a title.

Look at the other recent examples of contract extensions at age 28 as well :

Agger - within 18 months we practically gave him to Brondby. (But i bet we were still paying him til his retirement)

Reina - his form over the next couple of years was below the standard previously set. Then we loaned him out for three years at a cost.

Joe Cole was 28 when he arrived.

Skrtel was 27 when we gave him a deal. And was dropped for a lot of that season. He regained some form over the next couple of years but wasn't the player who City were allegedly buying for 20m before that deal was done.

At age 28 we didn't give Glen Johnson a new deal. Do we miss him?

Would we have missed Lucas if we hadn't allowed him to blackmail Ian Ayre into extending his contract ?

How did Enrique fair from age 28 until we paid him to fuck off ?
What about Downing ?

Look at Daniel Sturridge, would you extend him ?

What always happens is we talk ourselves into having to do these extensions because the agent says club X are allegedly interested. We do it, it all goes badly and idiot fans think rumours of interest at the time justify hasty decisions.
 
There are certain rational aspects to your argument that I certainly agree with, but looking at Suarez and Gerrard as examples and saying you wouldn't give them a lucrative, four year contract at at the age of 28 because of "data/ facts/ ROI" etc would be madness.

You'd essentially be losing your best players every season, and while some of them might be "phew!" close escape decisions, they won't all be.

You have to look at case-by-case. In the case of Sturridge, no I wouldn't.
 
You need to look at where we are as a team as well. There are times to say - yeah, in the last two years of this deal he'll be shit but thats okay cos he'll be carrying a couple of league/ european medals.

As i've said Gerrard - i would've done the deal but not expected greatness. (And he wasn't great in the last 6 years of career bar the odd patch)

With Suarez - I would have been vary wary (and possibly unneccessarily so). The context would have been most important for me.

But i suppose in general i have to say that if you're constructing a policy on age 28 players you can't start with the players least like Lallana in terms of pedigree and profile and think their experience would be indicative.

Look at the entirety of decisions, recognise the exceptions - which Suarez definitely is (even though I'm not sure he'd score as many in the Premiership). And see what about Lallana makes it likely that he'll maintain the way Suarez did.

I have my doubts. Especially for £30m over four years.
 
Lallana has had a superb half of one season since he's been at the club, so I'd be a little concerned in his case too.
 
we regularly buy players at the peak of the value after theyve had a decent few months. we consistently do it with new contracts too.
 
The ability to recover after matches is the big one with Lallana given he outruns every opponent in the Premier Leauge.

I can understand Klopp's thinking from a footballing pespective. Lallana is the blueprint of what he wants. Works extremely hard, intelligent pressing. techically brilliant and able to contribute to fast, attacking football. I don't agree he's worth 150k per week, but I can see why Klopp wants to secure a key compenent of his system when uncertainty surrounds much of the squads ability to adapt to his play. He'll want disciples. Players he can point out to other players and say 'give me that'.
 
Rosco said:
You need to look at where we are as a team as well. There are times to say - yeah, in the last two years of this deal he'll be shit but thats okay cos he'll be carrying a couple of league/ european medals.

As i've said Gerrard - i would've done the deal but not expected greatness. (And he wasn't great in the last 6 years of career bar the odd patch)

With Suarez - I would have been vary wary (and possibly unneccessarily so). The context would have been most important for me.

But i suppose in general i have to say that if you're constructing a policy on age 28 players you can't start with the players least like Lallana in terms of pedigree and profile and think their experience would be indicative.

Look at the entirety of decisions, recognise the exceptions - which Suarez definitely is (even though I'm not sure he'd score as many in the Premiership). And see what about Lallana makes it likely that he'll maintain the way Suarez did.

I have my doubts. Especially for £30m over four years.
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That is an important issue. I suspect that the Group of players Klopp bring in to Challenge for PL and play CL next season will be Young, relative unproven in England and if we have both CL and domestic we should rather add to the core of the team instead of selling our best players. We should also take into consideration that if we start bringing in new players that we have to pay top dough for we should admit our best players similar salaries. It is no point in making fractions within the group, and at least not if the coninuity players who will be leaders in the team are making significant less than the newcomers.
 
The "build around Lallana" part is obviously exaggerated bollocks to get a headline. I'd imagine Lallana is already on a fair bit, given the fee he came in for, so this is probably not that different but with incentives on top, more of an extension of what he already is getting but with a minor increase and (im)possible bonuses.

I wouldn't be that arsed about this too much, he might be here for another four years, eventually probably dropping down the pecking order, he's been more or less the least of our problems this season, and it's not like he's only performed for six months, he's been a pretty good signing overall, people are just still pissed off about his fee.
 
No way is he worth that money. Personally I'd sell him in the summer. He's not irreplaceable and he's not going to get any better. We still don't know if that was just a purple patch as he's gone off the boil again.
 
Rosco said:
Because no team with Lallana has ever won the league.

Or more likely that i think he'll be worse over the course of that contract and he's not worth 150k a week now.

The contract extension at age 28 is consistently one of our most damaging decisions.
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Hmmm,

Well your first point is just plain stupid. What do you plan to do buy a squad full of players who have won the EPL?

Based on that point even Gerrard wouldn't have got a contract extension past 28.

Your 2nd point is more valid and I would agree I don't think he's worth that now and hasn't shown enough to warrant it. A dozen or so good games shouldn't lead to a bumper contract, however we should be guarding against losing our better players and he's certainly one of them.

Your third point I agree with in so far as we have made big errors in the 28+ age bracket with large contracts in the past. However this is usually the last big contract for players at this age and if we don't pay that he's off. So I gusss its whether we want to pay the money(and we all know we have the money) or we loss a player that the manager believes is integral to his system and would need replacing anyway probably for more money.

If the club don't back the managers judgement in who he wants to stay long term then what's the point of him being here?
 
We didn't get value for money with Gerrard Hahahaha.


Suarez wouldn't have been worth it either? Talk about punching holes in your arguement
 
Glen C said:
No way is he worth that money. Personally I'd sell him in the summer. He's not irreplaceable and he's not going to get any better. We still don't know if that was just a purple patch as he's gone off the boil again.
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Not many (any?) of our players are irreplaceable, but he's certainly in the upper spectrum of the squad when it comes to who to keep, we should start with shite like Moreno, Sakho and a few others. By your reckoning we may as well just make wholesale changes and wait forever for the squad to bed in again.
 
mark1975 said:
Not many (any?) of our players are irreplaceable, but he's certainly in the upper spectrum of the squad when it comes to who to keep, we should start with shite like Moreno, Sakho and a few others. By your reckoning we may as well just make wholesale changes and wait forever for the squad to bed in again.
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No not really. But to give him 150k after a few months of form is ridiculous. Tbh though I can count on one hand the amount players in our team worth keeping.
 
if we are willing to spend that money on lallana, you would hope this would mean we may have money to spend in the summer.

Though I thought we were done with offfering these kinds of deals to players who will the other side of 30 soon. Signs of the skirtl contract, who at the time was looking unstoppable. Within 2 years his game dropped.
 
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