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Oncy

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Probably worth mentioning that the league has been won right?

By the club who has spent £450 million in the last 3 transfer windows.

I dont for one second deny they have played some super football and deserve to have won. But in reality all they have done is what they fucking should have.
If you rank the teams on spend and merit against league position you would have to say City are on par, United have failed, we are probably slightly ahead of where we should be, Spurs are ahead for sure, Chelsea and Arsenal have been abject failures as both should be challenging the title.

I dont think we will see another 200m spent by Pep in summer or it buggers up his claim the half a billion he has spent in 2 seasons was to overhaul an old squad.
They will spend of course, and you would expect united to back Jose big again, the rest of us will do what we always do and spend 20-30m net.

What do you think for next year, what will it take to get us up there with City.
Theres a big gap.
 
I think we are way ahead of where we should be, Spurs similarly are miles ahead. Chelsea and Arsenal have been shocking.

As for next season, I think we are at a point where we are quite stable across the club. I don't think the same can be said for the likes of Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Man U. City I think are also in quite a stable position.

What happens with managers at Arsenal and City will be huge in terms of how they move forward next season. I don't think Arsenal have the squad at the moment to challenge for top 4, losing Wenger could be bad keeping him could be worse.
Conte at Chelsea will probably leave and it depends on who they get in but with Hazard being touted to the likes of Real that would be really bad news for them.
Man u are very unstable, Jose could chuck his toys out the pram at any point. Players are not performing to their potential seemingly the same as Chelsea under Jose.
 
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We're not getting there with the squad as is, so money has to be spent.
Start with building a decent midfield, then get a decent supporting striker or competition for Firmino.
I think we could do with a good CB as well, maybe a backup LB.
All in all we do need at least 3-4 upgrades in the starting XI. Fixing that would at same time give us decent bench options.

Draxler would be a perfect signing.
Keita already coming.
Decent DM, maybe the guy in Monaco.
CB from Lazio no not Lucas.
Celtic LB maybe, or a kid so we can sell Moreno.
 
Id make Oldham amazing with half a billion quid.
 
Good shout and yes they should Challenge for and win the League. They have however won it in a fashionable way which should have been avoided by the other Challengers. Especially the United fans (and of course the odd other fans pointing out for some fucked up reason) though Points out that United would/could have won if it wasn't for City and hence have a respectable season. United have failed massive based on their Investments over the two last Seasons.

Congrats to City for their achievement... I am really happy it stops With the League and a League Cup as it looked like they could have challenged on more fronts.

When it comes to future Investments I am not so sure what it holds for City (or United). They seem to splash enourmous amount of cash and this summer will probably not be different. But that doesn't mean they get that much better quality than other spending less. You still have to find the right players, and to use an example I am not so sure that the gap on i.e. fullbakcs is as huge now as it was at the start of the season, hence we have invested ten times better than them there and developed the players we have in a better way. I am certain that United will buy one or two fullbacks this summer, and probably spend huge money as well. But who to buy? They have shown that for all the big Money spent on Damians and Shaws it is not necessary good enough anyway. City have used a CB to try stopping Salah, after spending all those Money on fullbacks.

Our problem Next season is to Balance the midfield, and good CM's doesn't come for free. We furthermore need to solve the CD slot Next to VVD. There we might find a bargain. However, City probably need to find a CM themselves (Ferndinho is not getting younger, and neither is SIlva).

Position for position top Three:

Goalie:
United - Might be sorted/Might need a megainvestement
City- Sorted
Us- Probably sorted/spend big

Fullbacks:
United - Big Money to be spent
City - Sorted
Us - Small changes to be spent

CD:
United - Big spending needed
City - Big spending needed
Us - Small Investment needed

DCM/CM:
United - Big Investment needed to cement the Mourinho tactics
City- Big Investment possible?
Us - Big Investment needed

AM:
United - Should be sorted With what they have, but probably look to strengthen
City - Should be sorted With what they have but possible investment
Us - Probably keep what we have, but might add another

Attack:
United - Should be sorted but who knows
City - Unsure, some logistic to be expected? Aguero out and big signing in?
Us- Back up needed.

So all in all United need to spend more than us and City. Both we and United should narrow the gap we have seen this year. However based on end of season results and performances we are clearly the one closest to City at present.
 
City appaz want Mbappe, Weigl and a CB. They'll spend over 200 mill £ again.
We'll have net spend like we havent had for a number of years this summer, no doubt.

The big question is if it will be enough. City will have such a large quality squad and showed this season what a force they are becoming.
It will be interesting to see what kind of approach other teams make to City's playing style next season. They might decline a bit point wise but we'd need a perfect season to challenge them for the title.

Keita, Rabiot, Pulisic and a quality CB. A back up striker to Firmino. We need more depth and quality but we are slowly building a very very good team.


Utd will hang on to Jose for one more season at least. They'll spend big, but we've already seen that its more down to Jose and if he can change his philosophy. I doubt that he can.

Spurs will decline a bit next year I reckon. Arsenal and Chelsea will have new managers and probably no CL footy but Thursday games.

It could be a race between us, City and Utd with Spurs as outsiders.
 
On so many occasions this season we should've taken 3 points and ended with none or one but if we start next season the way we're ending this one I think we'll win those matches. There's a confidence and style of play on show currently that we need to challenge for the league imo, that along with a deeper squad.
 
Pep might be a dick and has spent a lot of money. But its still impressive how City have been playing this season. They deserved the title, no doubt.
He's won the league in 7 of the 9 seasons he's been a manager. He's obviously a fantastic manager, developing players, reinventing himself and the team, buying the right players etc. As Rurik has pointed out though, he's biggest flaw is the need to do this to the extreme and being to clever for himself.

I dont like Pep, but he deserves some credit as well. Winning the league and playing some sensational football.
His counterpart at Utd is taking the other approach, to say the least.
 
I dont like Pep, but he deserves some credit as well. Winning the league and playing some sensational football.

Cunts said they need to spend massive to compete on all fronts

Mate, you don't. You just need to show a bit of flexibility and rotate appropriately

I'd get city playing lovely football too, because they have fantastic technical players.


Over 6m spent for a point if they get to 100 points. First time ever.

It's fucking ludicrous
 
Bit of a shame for City that such a feat has come through their rivals losing rather than the elation of winning a game to get it in the bag. They've had an awful two weeks which I think puts a huge anti climax on their achievements and I wonder what going out in the CL will mean for the owners and their relationship with Pep.

Where will City strengthen this summer? Another striker, or maybe bolster the defence even further as if Laporte & Stones weren't enough. A DM to replace Fernandinho must be on the agenda soon too.
 
Pep might be a dick and has spent a lot of money. But its still impressive how City have been playing this season. They deserved the title, no doubt.
He's won the league in 7 of the 9 seasons he's been a manager. He's obviously a fantastic manager, developing players, reinventing himself and the team, buying the right players etc. As Rurik has pointed out though, he's biggest flaw is the need to do this to the extreme and being to clever for himself.

I dont like Pep, but he deserves some credit as well. Winning the league and playing some sensational football.
His counterpart at Utd is taking the other approach, to say the least.
I dont buy it.
Barcelona, Bayern, Citeh. Spending 100s of millions. Thats not impressive to me. At all.
 
What? They've won it 6 times on the bounce. Everyone knows that's a joke league.
Yeah, I didn't want to say 1 horse race

Not a race then is it

Just a horse, running for no reason other than because he's being whipped
 
More than ever, how good a transfer window the top 6 have decides who will compete for the title and top 4.
It's that tight, you can't really afford a bad window.

Priorities:
Keep our best players.
Buy - Quality striker (Firmino competition)
Buy - Def- Midfielder (Can replacement)
Buy - Centre-Back (Better than Lovren)
Buy - Keeper (Better than Karius)

The interesting one for me is Karius. Klopp has a big decision there. It's stick or twist, with his decision maybe the difference between us mounting a push for the title.
 
I say that, fully knowing you won't have, so the reference is lost.
 
I dont think we will see another 200m spent by Pep in summer or it buggers up his claim the half a billion he has spent in 2 seasons was to overhaul an old squad.
They will spend of course, and you would expect united to back Jose big again, the rest of us will do what we always do and spend 20-30m net.
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I thought I saw a quote from Guardiola about a week or two ago saying he was going to spend big again this summer, and then defending it by saying that in order to play his brand of football he has to spend big

Ah yes here it is, in the ever reliable Daily Mail : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-Guardiola-hints-need-money-spend-summer.html
 
I think the overall quality of the league has been poor. Underneath all the hype there's basically been three or four teams with a progressive and entertaining style, and the order of them in the league has really hinged on how well they cope with the other teams trying to stifle them with anti-football, which has produced some of the most boringly painful and soul-sapping games I've seen in my lifetime. In place of genuinely unpredictable games of football there's largely been a prolonged training exercise masquerading as entertainment and sport. City have done best at that, while not actually being consistently stronger than their peers when they've played each other. The whole thing has been a huge turn-off for me. Aside from LFC I'd be perfectly happy never to watch a Premier League game again, I'm so sick of the whole thing.
 
‘I know the intention of your question but I can assure you that it’s impossible to play the way we play, the results we achieved, without top players,’ he said.

‘Today the top players cost a lot of money. So when you say, “Pep, what you have done in Barcelona or Bayern Munich, is it possible to do that without those big players?” No, it’s impossible, so be calm. We need money to buy and to play at that level all the time.
False fucking idol.
 
I think the overall quality of the league has been poor. Underneath all the hype there's basically been three or four teams with a progressive and entertaining style, and the order of them in the league has really hinged on how well they cope with the other teams trying to stifle them with anti-football, which has produced some of the most boringly painful and soul-sapping games I've seen in my lifetime. In place of genuinely unpredictable games of football there's largely been a prolonged training exercise masquerading as entertainment and sport. City have done best at that, while not actually being consistently stronger than their peers when they've played each other. The whole thing has been a huge turn-off for me. Aside from LFC I'd be perfectly happy never to watch a Premier League game again, I'm so sick of the whole thing.
I mentioned this a few weeks ago Macca. Agree totally.
More 50m players in your team the easier to break down packed defences.
Manchester City SHOULD win every fucking game.
 
There's a fair few older players in their side, & a fair few who just aren't up to scratch. They also have a CB issue, & a dodgy keeper.

They've won the league at a canter, & deservedly so, but there's no way I think they're gonna walk the league like this year.
 
Guardiola has only achieved what Mancini and Pellegrini managed at City.

He's done it with greater style and pomp granted, but what's the next step? A dynasty? I don't think that's that simple in England any more. The TV deal has just given spending power to a whole slew of clubs, and it's not easy to dominate the field year in and year out.

I think Guardiola's focus will shift to winning the CL. That's what the Arabs covet most of all apparently.

I do think that there are potential cracks in that City side. Their attacking quality is amazing and should continue to be amazing given that De Bruyne, Sane, Sterling, Jesus are still very young. Yet their old core of Kompany, Fernandinho, Silva, Yaya and Aguero is definitely on the wane, and should cease to be influential very soon.

That core does need to be replaced, and we should hope that they get it wrong or takes 1-2 years to mature.

That's exactly when we need to be ready to capitalise.

Klopp and scouting team has done a fantastic job with our squad so far to be honest. The core - van Dijk, Keita, Mane, Firmino, Salah are all the exact right age. They have another 3 top years left in them at least.

Add another 2-3 of similar quality, and you're easily looking at title challenges over the next 2-3 years. That's why this summer is absolutely crucial. No mucking about - just go for broke.
 
There's a fair few older players in their side, & a fair few who just aren't up to scratch. They also have a CB issue, & a dodgy keeper.

They've won the league at a canter, & deservedly so, but there's no way I think they're gonna walk the league like this year.
They have a CB issue after spending 200m over the last 4 years to sort it

Otamendi, mangala, stones, laporte, and I'm sure there's another cunt.

There shouldn't BE a CB issue if they just didn't pick a name out of a hat
 
Guardiola has only achieved what Mancini and Pellegrini managed at City.

He's done it with greater style and pomp granted, but what's the next step? A dynasty? I don't think that's that simple in England any more. The TV deal has just given spending power to a whole slew of clubs, and it's not easy to dominate the field year in and year out.

I think Guardiola's focus will shift to winning the CL. That's what the Arabs covet most of all apparently.

I do think that there are potential cracks in that City side. Their attacking quality is amazing and should continue to be amazing given that De Bruyne, Sane, Sterling, Jesus are still very young. Yet their old core of Kompany, Fernandinho, Silva, Yaya and Aguero is definitely on the wane, and should cease to be influential very soon.

That core does need to be replaced, and we should hope that they get it wrong or takes 1-2 years to mature.

That's exactly when we need to be ready to capitalise.

Klopp and scouting team has done a fantastic job with our squad so far to be honest. The core - van Dijk, Keita, Mane, Firmino, Salah are all the exact right age. They have another 3 top years left in them at least.

Add another 2-3 of similar quality, and you're easily looking at title challenges over the next 2-3 years. That's why this summer is absolutely crucial. No mucking about - just go for broke.
Keita the best possible start too
 
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