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Lovren & Sakho

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Poor, really poor.

Sakho is cagey as fuck and Lovren clearly looks uncomfortable on the right.

Good job we have two boss fullbacks.
 
So disappointing that it seems Sakho won't improve much. I don't get it, how did our scouts not see him going about like a baby deer during PSG days, barely able staying on his feet.
Just annoying
 
Lovren's ball watching is a huge problem he's leaving huge gaps whilst coming across to vacate Sakho's position under the high ball.
Sakho looks a bag of shit in almost every aspect of defending bar the tackle which he's strong.
For the bones of 40 million it really isn't good enough and needs sorting fast.
 
The child in me wants to troll the fuck out of this thread.
The boring adult says that we need to give them time.
Even a legend like Hyypia didn't have a great first season for us. So let's just wait it out.
BTW.




AGGER.
 
Daniel Agger: "I can't play at this level anymore"
Modo: "We need Daniel Agger as our top CB"

Hmmmm

Yes, I love Agger. Move on dude. He has, you should too.
 
The guts of £40 million and Skrtel is still our best centre back. One of them needs to get better asap
 
Sakho apparently had 97% passing that game, with only two misplaced(4 of 6 on longballs). Whoscored saying he had 1 turnover and was dispossessed once as well.

Lovren at 88% with the same number of total passes, but 5/10 on longballs. Had a handful of interceptions, but also a turnover.
 
Yeah, it doesn't feel like we've got our moneys worth right now and there is only so much tactics and 'the system' can excuse. Fed up of seeing silly mistakes game after game.
 
I wonder if Lovren's performance has to do with him changing sides, partner, or both. While he did make a couple of mistakes against City, he was not as bad as we've seen in these last 3 games without Skrtel. Will be interesting to see if we revert to Skrtel on the right and Lovren on the left this weekend, and if we do, whether Lovren's form picks up again.
 
I don't know. I see a lot of potential in both Sakho and Lovren. That was 98% passing rate for Sakho BTW.

I felt they were a bit exposed tonight, both FBs were bombing forward and Gerrard was too at times, especially when we started to get nervous after 65-70mins.
 
I don't know. I see a lot of potential in both Sakho and Lovren. That was 98% passing rate for Sakho BTW.

I felt they were a bit exposed tonight, both FBs were bombing forward and Gerrard was too at times, especially when we started to get nervous after 65-70mins.

I'm really done with people mentioning his passing rate, no offense. Whenever he's asked to control a ball, it looks and usually is horrible. Pretty soon someone is going to run rings around those two and it won't be pretty.

I actually think the quality is there with Lovren, but Sakho?

Tell me why our attack minded, possession loving manager bought a keeper and a defender who are so hapless on the ball? It defies belief.
 
I'm really done with people mentioning his passing rate, no offense. Whenever he's asked to control a ball, it looks and usually is horrible. Pretty soon someone is going to run rings around those two and it won't be pretty.

This. This. Fucking this.

Who the fuck cares about his passing rate when we are conceding goals.
 
I felt they were a bit exposed tonight, both FBs were bombing forward and Gerrard was too at times, especially when we started to get nervous after 65-70mins.

That's true - Lovren especially had to pull out wide right a few times because Manquillo had bombed up, and Lallana wasn't able to cover in time. At one point in the second half, Henderson gave Lallana a nudge as he sped past on his way back to help cover for Manquillo, as if to tell him to get out of his way if he was not going to go faster. In fairness, Lallana was running and not jogging, but Henderson was just that much faster and more determined.
 
Yeah, Sakho lost me a bit when he chested it to a fella or them to hit the post.
 
I agree though re the "system" exposing our defense, but that doesn't really excuse or explain why Sakho is so cumbersome and dithering when the ball is played to him. He seems just about get away with releasing the ball when under minimal pressure, pretty soon (and it nearly happened tonight a few times) he's going to have someone like Bale or Ronaldo or whoever else making him look like he's woefully out of his depth.
 
The system exposes them and for me it's down to Gerrards lack of mobility
 
I'm really done with people mentioning his passing rate, no offense. Whenever he's asked to control a ball, it looks and usually is horrible. Pretty soon someone is going to run rings around those two and it won't be pretty.

I actually think the quality is there with Lovren, but Sakho?

Tell me why our attack minded, possession loving manager bought a keeper and a defender who are so hapless in possession? It defies belief.

I don't understand this obsession with how Sakho controls the ball or plays his passes. In the end it's incredibly effective, and any detriments are greatly exaggerated. His passing motion is a bit deceptive as well, which opens up additional space.

Yaya Toure plays the ball very similarly, so does Emre Can for us.

I'd be more worried about Lovren messing up the fundamentals of defending than Sakho not looking sexy enough for you on the ball.
 
I think it's a much bigger problem. The solidity of the defence is down to the core diamond - the keeper, the RCB, the LCB and the DM.

Right now no one is on the same wavelength. One defender (Lovren) likes to push out and attack and the other (both Skrtel and Sakho) likes to fall back and rely on his tackling to save his skin. The DM wants to drop deep and split the CBs most of the time, but struggles to track runners, and is often wasteful in possession. The keeper is thoroughly indecisive - lacks confidence in coming off his line, and when he does, he usually makes a complete hash of it. He's also quite ordinary with the ball at his feet.

It's a pretty terrible scenario, and I can't see it sorting itself without change in personnel in three of those positions. Lovren is the only player I'd retain, and I'd rather see him at LCB than RCB.
 
The system exposes them and for me it's down to Gerrards lack of mobility

It's not just Gerrard, they both got caught ball watching/flat footed tonight and Gerrard was there to bail them out. I do agree, a massive part of it is the system, but Lovren has made countless errors (some needless and not really forced), while Sakho looks woefully inept. I hope I'm being rash and that it's early days, I see a good player in Lovren with the right partner and once he settles. Sakho on the other hand, I don't think you can teach players at that age/level to suddenly become adept at the things he's poor at.
 
I don't understand this obsession with how Sakho controls the ball or plays his passes. In the end it's incredibly effective, and any detriments are greatly exaggerated. His passing motion is a bit deceptive as well, which opens up additional space.

Yaya Toure plays the ball very similarly, so does Emre Can for us.

I'd be more worried about Lovren messing up the fundamentals of defending than Sakho not looking sexy enough for you on the ball.

It's not about him looking sexy enough, you're missing my point, and I'm the last person who believes in all that shit. He looks like he's one miscontrol away from getting made to look like a cunt and it nearly happened a few times tonight.
 
Exactly Fabs
BTW
You're a cunt Mark for pointing out the faults of a Liverpool player. Seems fair that I return the favour.
 
The system exposes them and for me it's down to Gerrards lack of mobility

This.

And in answer to those above. Ludo had very fast forwards tonight, CBs are always going to have to work very hard, and look less adept than they really are, when put under that sort of pressure without any support.

Once they settle in as a pair, get some understanding .. and have someone in front of them that doesn't leave them exposed, I'm pretty confident we will forget about Agger, Skrtel and Toure.
 
I think it's a much bigger problem. The solidity of the defence is down to the core diamond - the keeper, the RCB, the LCB and the DM.

Right now no one is on the same wavelength. One defender (Lovren) likes to push out and attack and the other (both Skrtel and Sakho) likes to fall back and rely on his tackling to save his skin. The DM wants to drop deep and split the CBs most of the time, but struggles to track runners, and is often wasteful in possession. The keeper is thoroughly indecisive - lacks confidence in coming off his line, and when he does, he usually makes a complete hash of it. He's also quite ordinary with the ball at his feet.

It's a pretty terrible scenario, and I can't see it sorting itself without change in personnel in three of those positions. Lovren is the only player I'd retain, and I'd rather see him at LCB than RCB.

In a nutshell.
 
Exactly Fabs
BTW
You're a cunt Mark for pointing out the faults of a Liverpool player. Seems fair that I return the favour.

I've never said you're a cunt for pointing out the flaws of a player, you're a cunt for the snidey arse crap that you pull in threads, criticise away, I couldn't give a fuck, but you don't, you just act like a smarmy, childish prick.
 
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