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Lovren & Sakho

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On another note, the Madrid starting front 6 today were:

Modric, Kroos, Bale, James, Ronaldo, Benzema

Fucking hell - they'll cut through us like cake.

Of course if we had Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling, we'd probably have done the same to their non-existent midfield.
 
Less of the bellend talk lads.

Mark chill it

Modo, less wummy
 
On another note, the Madrid starting front 6 today were:

Modric, Kroos, Bale, James, Ronaldo, Benzema

Fucking hell - they'll cut through us like cake.

Of course if we had Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling, we'd probably have done the same to their non-existent midfield.

I watched a bit of this at HT. Modric was brilliant, as was Bale.
 
This.



And in answer to those above. Ludo had very fast forwards tonight, CBs are always going to have to work very hard, and look less adept than they really are, when put under that sort of pressure without any support.



Once they settle in as a pair, get some understanding .. and have someone in front of them that doesn't leave them exposed, I'm pretty confident we will forget about Agger, Skrtel and Toure.

Froggy, most sides we play can play with "fast forwards", it's simplistic stuff and from the tail end of last season, teams have gotten onto it - look at Palace. It's easy. Liverpool press and press and commit players forward, if a game isn't going their way they will try to strangle the game out of you high up the pitch unto you give in. Ergo, put a couple of quick players on to hit them on the break, and you're onto a winner.


Rodgers made one MASSIVE mistake for me last season. I absolutely applaud his bravery and approach to the game, 100%. But when he said after the Chelsea game that he would "never" play that way, my first thought was the forthcoming CL campaign, and how he would need to. I'm not talking about tonight, I'm talking about in general. He needs to be able to alter his game-plan beyond either playing 4231 or a diamond, it's limited and flawed, like any system when you're overly reliant, particularly when you have one singular mindset as an approach to any formation. This is where he shows how much he's willing to adapt and come on as a manager.
 
seems we don't have anyone at the club who has the first idea about defending , from our scouts to our manager . there are no signs of it getting better .
 
Yeah but the problem Mark was how exposed the CBs were. If you have very fast forwards, and excellent inter-passing as Ludo had tonight, then they are going to be exposed. I think as Dmishra said above .. our system is making them vulnerable.
I actually applauded the way Lovren strode out of defence a few times .. and won the ball most of the time .. because if he hadn't he'd have had a striker bearing down on him at full pelt.
 
Anyway 05.30 here .. better get some shut-eye ! I'm just happy we got the 3 pts in the end. It'd have been a helluva come down for the team if we didn't get them, now we are hopefully on a high.
 
Yeah but the problem Mark was how exposed the CBs were. If you have very fast forwards, and excellent inter-passing as Ludo had tonight, then they are going to be exposed. I think as Dmishra said above .. our system is making them vulnerable.
I actually applauded the way Lovren strode out of defence a few times .. and won the ball most of the time .. because if he hadn't he'd have had a striker bearing down on him at full pelt.

Mate, the excellent interpassing Ludo did their homework tonight. What do you think everyone else is going to do? Like I said, teams have already gotten onto the way we're set up, it's been coming. Put men behind the ball and hit us on the break, it'll cost us alot more than last season.
 
I like Lovren. I think people forget the errors many of our best CBs made when they were settling into the side. Lovren's a smart player who'll be fine once he's had time to get a partnership developed. Sakho doesn't worry me as much as he did last season. He's growing into the side and the style, too.
 
It's not about him looking sexy enough, you're missing my point, and I'm the last person who believes in all that shit. He looks like he's one miscontrol away from getting made to look like a cunt and it nearly happened a few times tonight.

Fair enough. I think it's just the style of play you often see from really physical players these days though, you almost exclusively see it in those sorts.

I think his passing is really undervalued though, especially in a back line with young bombing fullbacks, and with Lovren being off form at the moment. As far as marking and tackling goes, he's typically excellent.

It's a bit like Jose Enrique for me, where people seem to forget how few goals he's responsible for us conceding. And we're not exactly swimming in solid defensive options at the moment either, which is why I really appreciate the consistency. Even if the control isn't the greatest, retaining possession and typically solid if awkward defensive work makes him quite valuable. He fucks up like any other player, but the number of times those are fatal errors are quite low, which has been the opposite of Lovren or Skrtel.

I think he's developing an understanding with Gerrard as well. Definitely feels like given the choice, the midfield likes to pass to Sakho. He does a great job of patiently feeding the midfield, while I've noticed Lovren had a tendency right now to launch it.

I reckon we aren't seeing the best of Sakho at the moment, but we will.
 
I like Lovren. I think people forget the errors many of our best CBs made when they were settling into the side. Lovren's a smart player who'll be fine once he's had time to get a partnership developed. Sakho doesn't worry me as much as he did last season. He's growing into the side and the style, too.
I agree with this, but it's still concerning for the moment
 
I think Sakho is fucking rubbish. Everytime he gets the ball, I literally soil myself.
 
I agree lads, they do need time, but the worries are there. I like Lovren and think he has alot of ability to move forward, he has his flaws but he's settling into a different system. Sakho worries me greatly for the same reasons he did last season.
 
Fair enough. I think it's just the style of play you often see from really physical players these days though, you almost exclusively see it in those sorts.

I think his passing is really undervalued though, especially in a back line with young bombing fullbacks, and with Lovren being off form at the moment. As far as marking and tackling goes, he's typically excellent.

It's a bit like Jose Enrique for me, where people seem to forget how few goals he's responsible for us conceding. And we're not exactly swimming in solid defensive options at the moment either, which is why I really appreciate the consistency. Even if the control isn't the greatest, retaining possession and typically solid if awkward defensive work makes him quite valuable. He fucks up like any other player, but the number of times those are fatal errors are quite low, which has been the opposite of Lovren or Skrtel.

I think he's developing an understanding with Gerrard as well. Definitely feels like given the choice, the midfield likes to pass to Sakho. He does a great job of patiently feeding the midfield, while I've noticed Lovren had a tendency right now to launch it.

I reckon we aren't seeing the best of Sakho at the moment, but we will.

I don't really have a problem with his passing though, much like Carragher, he gets his foot on the ball and picks a man out more often than not. My problem is when he's playing as part of a quick passing, high pressing footballing side, he looks like he's the one who is going to fall short and make the mistake. There were a few times tonight when he put himself under pressure needlessly.
 
People still defending Sakho with his passing stats. Fucking laughable.

Mind you he's better than Lovren. He's just not good enough. Poor signing.
 
I don't really have a problem with his passing though, much like Carragher, he gets his foot on the ball and picks a man out more often than not. My problem is when he's playing as part of a quick passing, high pressing footballing side, he looks like he's the one who is going to fall short and make the mistake. There were a few times tonight when he put himself under pressure needlessly.
Typically though, when he needs to make a quick pass, he does. But when he has time, and knows it, he uses it to pick out a productive and effective one.

I think Skrtel is the worst at taking his time on the ball, he often passes as soon as he sees an option without really evaluating what his choices are.

Realistically, how quickly will our CBs need to pass? It's not as if there's interchange play going on, and when put under serious pressure the preference will always to be to clear it. I could see him being caught on the ball occasionally, but I think he's physical enough to bail himself out. Enough to compensate for any sketchiness in control anyways.

And situations where he's getting closed down on with moderate intensity, his deceptive passing motion often allows him to create a window to make a high percentage pass. I really do think it throws off defenders to some extent.

I get your point, and I can totally see it happening in my head, but the pros outweigh the cons by a fair margin in my mind.
 
Sakho fucked up and conceded the corner that Villa scored from on Saturday. Tonight he fucked up in similar style and they hit the post.

These are the kind of examples of poor technique that people are worried about, not *passing* per se. Surely anyone can understand that FFS.
 
They couldn't when I warned them about it 6 months ago, but that was obviously part of my Agger agenda.
 
They couldn't when I warned them about it 6 months ago, but that was obviously part of my Agger agenda.

Errrr... you chose to mention Agger (needlessly) earlier in this thread. Do you even think before you post?
 
They couldn't when I warned them about it 6 months ago, but that was obviously part of my Agger agenda.


Being buggered with a toasting fork doesn't suddenly not hurt just because having your kneecaps smashed with a sledgehammer hurts too.
 
Once again, I think they'd both be much improved if they had cover from whoever is playing infront of them. Unless Gerrard is receiving the ball from one of them with loads of time and space to launch a hollywood ball, then he's pretty crap. Even though I don't rate Lucas, he's a much better DM than Gerrard.
If the CB's had some help from a DM who could tackle and cover, I think they'd be much better. They are new together and it's going to take time until they work out each others games. I've seen some glimpses of brilliance in Lovren, but he looks suspect when he starts passing, Sakho seems to be the other way round.
At least we've got fullbacks that can tackle either side of them at the moment, can you imagine what it'd be like with johnson and enrique out there.
I think they'll be alright.
Gerrard and Mignolet on the other hand.....
 
Even a legend like Hyypia didn't have a great first season for us. So let's just wait it out.
What are you talking about? Hyypiä was selected top 6 player in the premiership in his first season. Sakho otherhand is fucking shit.
 
Lovren, aided and abetted, seems to be costing us pretty much a goal a game, which is concerning.
 
Average keeper. Louvren not an upgrade on Agger. Two great young full backs. but the main problem is we should have bought a world class DM. We will never win anything without one. We are soooooo easy to score agiainst. Two straight balls last night. doesn't help when Sakho puts in an awesome tackle and the ref gives a foul. What has happened to football?
 
Sakho is the guy on the 5 side pitch who you want the ball to go, so you can chase him down as you know a fcuk is always round the corner......

His poor control gave away the corner in the villa match and almost cost a goal yesterday.....
 
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