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Poll Lucas's world

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Will Lucas leave LFC this summer?

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 41.5%

  • No, but this will be his farewell season

    Votes: 4 9.8%

  • No, he will stay beyond next season

    Votes: 3 7.3%

  • Lucas is the Supreme Deity who exists beyond the flow of time and space and thus can never "leave"

    Votes: 17 41.5%
  • Total voters
    41
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rurikbird

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In the likely scenario that we buy a first-choice CB this summer, which would relegate one of Lovren or Matip (probably the former) to 3rd choice, we will have only one spot left open for the 4th-choice CB. I am pretty sure Joe Gomez will be sent out on loan – what he needs at this age and especially after a long injury lay-off is plenty of playing time. So the selection for the 4th choice CB will probably be a straight choice between Klavan and Lucas.

In this scenario, I would actually be really surprised if Lucas is the one who leaves this summer. Now that he has transitioned to CB, he can play in that position for many years to come – it's not like he has any pace to lose. Last season him and Klavan were both seen as 3rd choice at various times, so it's fair to assume that in Klopp's eyes Lucas is roughly on the same level with Klavan purely as a CB. However Lucas has many intangible advantages, as he can also cover the DM position and his status in the locker room is far more established than Klavan. For example, I just watched Lallana's interview about his teammates and he actually chose Lucas as the "hardest" defender at the club – OK, that doesn't sound too reassuring for us and might not even be true, but apparently that's the perception among the players.

He's also the longest-serving player at the club and as such one of the most recognizable players among the fanbase, even though he's not a "star" – how many other players in the squad can you name who have their own personal catchphrase? This year we are back in the Champions League for the first time in a few years – guess who among the current squad has the most CL experience? You guessed it, Lucas fucking Leiva (just checked, Matip has same number of appearances and Milner is a few games behind). In any case, the intangibles all definitely work in his favor, but I think it's more important that in purely football terms it also still somehow doesn't make sense for LFC to let Lucas go. Therefore I don't believe the latest rumours that link him to Lazio and think that Lucas is here to stay for at least another season and probably even longer.

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Always happy to see him on the pitch.

His treatment by many has been shameful although a lot of that has probably more to do with the divide he creates among the fans rather than his actually ability.

I thought he had a good season last year and adapted to the CB role superbly when called to do so.

I'd have no issue with him being here for the rest of his career as losing pace or strength isn't something he has to worry about.
 
I'd like him to leave, I'm sick of seeing 40 Lucas threads per season.

He did an admirable job covering last year but it simply highlighted issues with our squad depth. He shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 11 if we want to challenge, especially at centre back.

I wish him well but it's time to move on.
 
He's Rafa's Frankenstein monster, a player whom he bought as a box to box midfielder with strong attacking instincts and then, when either he decided that the player wasn't as good at that as expected, or he concluded that he didn't need such a player anyway, he proceeded, with typical Raffian stubbornness, to turn him into something he wasn't. That Lucas has managed since then to somehow survive and even at times thrive in spite of the rather hideous transformation he was forced to undergo, is pretty fabulous and worthy of respect, if not enthusiasm. He's also become one of the most admirable pros at the club. I think at this stage he can still be very useful as a short-term utility player, so I'd be happy to see him stay, but he also has done enough for the club to take up whatever attractive offer comes his way.

As for how often he plays, well, that's down to the strengths or shortcomings of our other players, not him. Lucas is like Thomas Paine said of government - the more intrusive it is, the more you should blame yourself.
 
I dont see a problem with keeping him. We know what to expect from him and he always gives us a 6-7 performance.

Towards the end of last season he covered admirably, completely nullifying Lukaku, gave us a couple of good games and assists. That is what we can expect of him if we keep him this season and beyond.
 
I'd not be surprised at all to see us sign two CBs this Summer. VVD and maybe one more promising CB from Germany, Spain or France. So Lucas will be on his way as I don't think Klopp will sell Klavan.
 
gareth_thomas said:
I'd like him to leave, I'm sick of seeing 40 Lucas threads per season.

He did an admirable job covering last year but it simply highlighted issues with our squad depth. He shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 11 if we want to challenge, especially at centre back.

I wish him well but it's time to move on.
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He is a valuable squad player. He will never be a first team player. You mentioned an issue with our squad depth but you'll rather Lucas not be in there to provide cover because you are sick of his face?
 
Frogfish said:
I'd not be surprised at all to see us sign two CBs this Summer. VVD and maybe one more promising CB from Germany, Spain or France. So Lucas will be on his way as I don't think Klopp will sell Klavan.
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If it's a straight choice between Klavan and Lucas, I recon there can be only one winner... The only way I can see Lucas leave is if he wants to play more and doesn't want to settle for a bit-part role. Klopp mentioned before how he's always bugging him when he's not playing and if a team like Lazio offered him a first-team role, he might be temped. But from our perspective, Lucas gives us more than Klavan and I'd rather keep him, if possible.
 
gkmacca said:
He's Rafa's Frankenstein monster, a player whom he bought as a box to box midfielder with strong attacking instincts and then, when either he decided that the player wasn't as good at that as expected, or he concluded that he didn't need such a player anyway, he proceeded, with typical Raffian stubbornness, to turn him into something he wasn't. That Lucas has managed since then to somehow survive and even at times thrive in spite of the rather hideous transformation he was forced to undergo, is pretty fabulous and worthy of respect, if not enthusiasm. He's also become one of the most admirable pros at the club. I think at this stage he can still be very useful as a short-term utility player, so I'd be happy to see him stay, but he also has done enough for the club to take up whatever attractive offer comes his way.

As for how often he plays, well, that's down to the strengths or shortcomings of our other players, not him. Lucas is like Thomas Paine said of government - the more intrusive it is, the more you should blame yourself.
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Away with ya and your non polarized, rational opinions.
 
On a good day he's above average.

He's slow, his passing range is limited, i have no idea about his shooting ability because it's as rare to see it as see a Tasmanian Tiger, his tackling is variable...

However, he works hard, doesn't complain, is good at ball retention, has a decent first touch and seems to have decent ta rival and positional awareness.

But.... for fucks sake.... can we not pretend that if he left tomorrow it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference - no-one would notice he was gone... there is nothing he brings to the team that some other above average player would bring.
 
the count said:
Away with ya and your non polarized, rational opinions.
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I'm not sure thats all that rational.

He played as an AM and was shite on every occasion.

The move to DM salvaged a career for him. Rafa deserves praise.
 
Rosco said:
I'm not sure thats all that rational.

He played as an AM and was shite on every occasion.

The move to DM salvaged a career for him. Rafa deserves praise.
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Regarding its level of rationality I was simply deeming it so in comparison to most of the other polarized posts on the subject.
 
He's fucking shit. If he plays more than 20 games this season, we know we're fucked and we also know we won't be anywhere near winning anything.
 
I mean it's nice to have him around but like I've said before he's too slow to play in Klopp's fast paced game.
His positioning is exceptional though and his passing isn't as bad as people make it seem but it's still not enough imo.
 
If we sign Keita and VVD, he'll be off. He wont get much playing time if that happens, and his stance has been to play more regularly.
Getting a fee for him would be a bonus...
 
Rosco said:
I'm not sure thats all that rational.

He played as an AM and was shite on every occasion.

The move to DM salvaged a career for him. Rafa deserves praise.
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I take your point about Rafa. In a sense he found a way for Lucas to survive here. But I don't think he got a real chance to develop, let alone play, in a more expansive role. He arrived as a Bola de Ouro winner, much-praised by Brazilian commentators for his progressive style of play, and Rafa made a big point of boasting about this, before adding ominously: 'He's a very good signing for us and likes to be an attacking midfielder, but he has many qualities'. He then played in attacking positions in the ressies and looked promising, and came on in the derby and helped change the game by winning a penalty. Then Rafa soon began his increasingly common process of re-making the player into something else, utilising some of the 'many qualities' that not even Lucas appeared to recognise. Of course he had a right to do so but I still question the sense of it, for the team or Lucas, and, critically, I really think Rafa didn't take enough of a duty of care as Lucas experienced the venom aimed at him for not being what fans had been told he was, and not being what Rafa was now (vaguely) suggesting he was. That Lucas emerged from that long ordeal as a reasonably solid and coherent player rather than a complete basket case and waste of space has, I'd argue, much more to do with him than any input from Rafa.
 
Lucas himself admitted that he was not good enough to play as an attacking/ box-to-box midfielder in the Premiership and had to adapt and change his game, for which Benitez does deserve recognition* for.

Without him he wouldn't have a career in the Premiership (even if it has been an average defensive midfielder who shouldn't be playing for Liverpool).

*Recognition rather than credit.
 
So Benitez bought a player who wasn't good enough to develop in his current role, and failed to make him a good enough player in another role. That then is a mistake on Rafa's part, entirely negative for him, the player and the club. It's not how I see it.
 
gkmacca said:
So Benitez bought a player who wasn't good enough to develop in his current role, and failed to make him a good enough player in another role. That then is a mistake on Rafa's part, entirely negative for him, the player and the club.
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The first part is fact, the second is subjective.

I am obviously not a fan of Lucas, and never have been, so my opinion on the latter part of the statement is not shared by everyone, and is quite possibly unfair.
 
LAZIO HAVE MADE A £5M OFFER FOR LUCAS! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
 
doctor_mac said:
£5m? For a year long loan or something?
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You jest? It's pretty close to £5m more than he's worth.

Joking aside, we are hardly gonna get much more than £5m for a 30 year old fringe player coming to the end of his contract. If that's their opening offer then maybe we can squeeze an extra £2m or £3m outta them but I'd happily just take the £5m.
 
From the Echo;

Lucas Leiva's decade-long stay at Liverpool could be over after Lazio stepped up their interest in the Brazilian midfielder.
The Serie A outfit have offered to pay £5million to secure the services of the club's longest serving player.
If Lucas wants to pursue a move to the Stadio Olimpico in search of regular first-team football then Jurgen Klopp won't stand in his way.

Its happening isnt it?
 
Hansern said:
From the Echo;

Lucas Leiva's decade-long stay at Liverpool could be over after Lazio stepped up their interest in the Brazilian midfielder.
The Serie A outfit have offered to pay £5million to secure the services of the club's longest serving player.
If Lucas wants to pursue a move to the Stadio Olimpico in search of regular first-team football then Jurgen Klopp won't stand in his way.

Its happening isnt it?
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How many fucking times has it been "happening"?

The Lucas Accord will never be broken, lest the skies turn black and the earth set aflame.
 
manwithnoname said:
How many fucking times has it been "happening"?

The Lucas Accord will never be broken, lest the skies turn black and the earth set aflame.
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We've been let down so many times its unreal. Lazio will probably be declared bankrupt tonight, if the bid is accepted.
 
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