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What a great great game. We really harassed them for 90 minutes or so, and played some absolutely beautiful football. Really excellent game for us, and I'm sure the neutrals (& CHavs unfortunately!).

A few thoughts:

Mign - he was very hesitant on 2 long balls. But besides picking the ball from the net after Dzeko's goal, he really wasn't bothered much.

Lovren - A few really nice passes, but also gave up possession a few times. I thought it was an improved performance for him, especially with most of City's attacks focusing on the right flank.

Skrtel - excellent game again.

Can - I thought he was solid. A few mental mistakes but overall, did his job and had some really good passes.

Allen - I think this was the best game I've ever seen him play. Fantastic on the ball, great passing, great pressing and a calming presence on the ball.

Henderson - Captain's performance here. What.a.goal ...

Markovic - He was very poor offensively but was very solid defensively. I think he's struggling to get into a rhythm again - and he's likely to stay that way with Ibe playing at his current level.

Lallana - He lost the ball far too many times in excellent positions, but overall - a good game. Great pressing.

Coutinho - MoTM. One of the top 5 players in the premier league since Xmas. Even if he doesn't score 20 goals a season, he can still be one of the most dominant, feared players in the league. Incredible talent and glad he's signed for so long.

Sterling - Thought he was key in the pressing game ... and caused them headaches non-stop. SIGN THE CONTRACT.

Rodgers - right team, right attitude, right subs ... keep it up Brodge.
 
And all without our great Steven Gerrard.

The future will not be the same without him

But it does look brighter
 
Agree with pretty much all of the above

Ming was definitely a bit hesitant today but didn't have much to do. Lovren concerned me some but was overall alright.

Thought Skrtel switched off a bit for their goal but was excellent otherwise.

Our midfield/attackers gave Kompany and Mangala a torrid time.

Great performance for the full 90.
 
Did not watch. Glad for the win after the mid week loss.

Waiting for highlights.
 
I still don't think we're close to the intensity of last season, but considering the team was tired this was a fine effort. Lallana is a great buy, but he needs to be sharper mentally - he needs to pass more quickly. I still really believe in Markovic but I felt he needed shifting to the left - he isn't an orthodox wide man, he's not going to make cross after cross from the line, but he's an imaginative and inventive player who really needs to be tried again on the other side, where he can cut in and be more expansive. There's something of Souey in Can - not in his play so much as his attitude. He's a cocky fecker but it's merited and he acts like a leader.
 
I still don't think we're close to the intensity of last season, but considering the team was tired this was a fine effort. Lallana is a great buy, but he needs to be sharper mentally - he needs to pass more quickly. I still really believe in Markovic but I felt he needed shifting to the left - he isn't an orthodox wide man, he's not going to make cross after cross from the line, but he's an imaginative and inventive player who really needs to be tried again on the other side, where he can cut in and be more expansive. There's something of Souey in Can - not in his play so much as his attitude. He's a cocky fecker but it's merited and he acts like a leader.

Yup - agreed.
 
The first 5-10 minutes I thought we would be paying price for Thursdays Turkey trip but how I was wrong, they were great in between there goal and did all the pressing in the las 20. 10/10
 
I still don't think we're close to the intensity of last season, but considering the team was tired this was a fine effort. Lallana is a great buy, but he needs to be sharper mentally - he needs to pass more quickly. I still really believe in Markovic but I felt he needed shifting to the left - he isn't an orthodox wide man, he's not going to make cross after cross from the line, but he's an imaginative and inventive player who really needs to be tried again on the other side, where he can cut in and be more expansive. There's something of Souey in Can - not in his play so much as his attitude. He's a cocky fecker but it's merited and he acts like a leader.
Hard to argue with any of that, agree entirely.

I'd also add Lallana at times looks a little lightweight. His desire & fight makes up for it most of the time, but if he improved his upper body strength a bit so could shove round & past defenders (like the more diminutive sterling does regularly) as he turns them, he'd give himself more time & space regularly.
 
Sterling, Coutinho and Moreno gives us a great left hook in our attack. They remind me of the way Henry, Pires and Cole used to combine on Arsenal's left flank.

We just need Lallana or Markovic/Ibe to finish off the chances they create in the way Ljungberg used to.

(Sorry for bringing up the Arsenal players)
 
Ming - 6
Lovren - 6 (responsible for their goal)
Skrtel - 7.5
Can - 7 (every single match I say he needs to off-load earlier when he goes on runs, reminds me of Baros) !
Moreno - 7
Markovic - 7 (I thought he played far better than he's being given credit for)
Allen - 8 - I slated him in midweek for his crap passing but this suited him far more, far more open and he kept possession well and played some delightful passes into the forwards. He is far better as an attacking midfielder (in the truest sense of those words) than when designated as a purely defensive midfielder (e.g. as a replacement for Lucas).
Coutinho - 8.5 (what a fucking goal - again) !
Henderson - 7 (what a fucking goal - again) !
Lallana - 7
Sterling - 7 (he really needs to improve his layoffs - he gives the ball away a lot in those situations)

Studge - 6 - tough chance
Toure - 6

BR - 10 (really got hem up for this, the right team and the right subs).
 
I think its harsh to blame Lovren for their goal. It was well played by City, a good goal and I cant see any particular player to blame.
If anything Henderson didn't get close enough to Silva at the start of the move... But I agree, it was a well worked goal and it unfair to blame an individual.
 
I think its harsh to blame Lovren for their goal. It was well played by City, a good goal and I cant see any particular player to blame.


If anyone it would be, the otherwise excellent, Skrtel who just lost sight of Dzeko at the wrong mo. But as said, it was just a really nicely worked goal from City, the only time they did do something.
 
I think its harsh to blame Lovren for their goal. It was well played by City, a good goal and I cant see any particular player to blame.

Watch it again, he dawdled back when Aguero cut inside .. and left that 7-8m gap to Skrtel which Aguero used to find Dzeko. Had he even jogged back there would have been no space for that pass. It was horrendous defending lacking any urgency. How many times have we discussed on here the space he leaves to his fellow CBs time and time again.
 
16 conclusions from footy365.com:

[article]* Liverpool's home game against Manchester City was the standout match of last season's Premier League, an absorbing encounter in which both teams took turns to attack each other at will. It almost felt akin to five-a-side style football in an 11-a-side scenario, such was the ceaseless excitement.

Nothing changes, it seems. These two teams may not still be fighting each other for the title, but this was a replica of April's wondrous fare between the Premier League's form team and its reigning champions.

One league fixture always seems to create more excitement than most, as the style of both teams creates the perfect recipe for drama. Spectators and the television audience are expectant of wonderful entertainment to match the importance of the occasion, and are rarely disappointed. Matches between Liverpool and Manchester City are becoming the standard by which all other games should be judged.


* A large part of that excitement is created by the flaws that both sides share. Despite our desire for our own teams to strive for defensive perfection, football as a spectacle is improved immeasurably when teams have defending as their Achilles heel. The possibility for clubs tediously cancelling each other out is removed.

This was a perfect example of that principle. Both sides attacked with vigour and at pace, but were never far from discomfort at the back. Well aware of those deficiencies but without a viable remedy, the only available response was to try and make the most of their ventures into opposition territory.

That made it a fascinating watch, decided only by which team could continue at such a high pace for the longest. There was only one, categorical answer to that question.


* The reveal of both line-ups caused a great deal of surprise. Brendan Rodgers chose to leave Daniel Sturridge and Mario Balotelli on the bench, preferring to use Raheem Sterling as his false nine in the now customary 3-4-3 formation. His other big decision was to include Lazar Markovic as the right wing-back instead of Jordon Ibe (who had a slight knock) or Javier Manquillo. Given David Silva's tendency to start on the left before roaming, the role demanded great discipline from Markovic, and caused a warning alarm to sound.

If Rodgers was taking a gamble on Markovic, it felt as if Manuel Pellegrini was rolling the dice at far higher stakes. One may have expected City to line up in a 4-2-3-1 after the struggles against Barcelona on Tuesday, but the decision to once again partner Edin Dzeko with Sergio Aguero sat somewhere between stubbornness and blind faith. The answer lies in the result.

There was another big call from Pellegrini, the choice to drop Martin Demichelis for Eliaquim Mangala, a decision that seemed to entirely lack logic. There is no doubt that Demichelis has been City's best central defender this season, with Vincent Kompany remaining in the side on the basis of his captain's armband and reputation alone (I wrote this bit before the game started, so more on him later).

Dropping his in-form centre-back for a struggling expensive new signing and playing two up front despite consistent criticism for doing so. This felt like an important day in Pellegrini's City future.


* Somewhere (probably the internet) there will be a website where some fine person has collated all of the best offside goals in football history, therefore avoiding them being lost to the incessant passing of time.

That hero is now uploading a video of Adam Lallana's wonderful touch and finish after eight minutes - it was splendid. Philippe Coutinho fired in a low cross, which Lallana took down with his right foot, swivelling and lashing the ball into the roof of his net with his left from an acute angle. The assistant referee is a bloody (although entirely correct) spoilsport.


* We had to wait less than two minutes for a brilliant goal that did count, Jordan Henderson giving Liverpool the lead with a shot that was part-curler and part-piledriver.

There is something wonderful about watching football when you can see what is about to unfold seconds before the inevitable occurs, almost as if you are cheating time. Henderson had the ball at his feet on the edge of the area, and it was obvious to all that he would shift it to the side before aiming for the top corner. That ambition was achieved with breathtaking accuracy. Gerrard-esque, dare I say?


* That was not the only comment-worthy aspect of the goal, however, for we were treated to another episode of what I'm broadly titling 'misery loves Kompany'. City's captain's poor touch allowed Raheem Sterling to steal the ball and pass to Henderson. What then unfolded punished Kompany emphatically.

Two years ago the Belgian was rightly considered as one of the best central defenders in the Premier League, but this is more than just a rut or funk of form. Instead, his abilities have been steadily declining as the positional errors and basic flaws in decision-making add up.

"It is simple: when the results go well, everybody will say I am performing well," said Kompany after the defeat to Barcelona, against whom he was at fault for both goals. "As long as the results don't go our way, people will say there are several players on the team not performing. All this is part of the game and it doesn't bother me at all. You [the media] are going in with an angle. For me, I cannot pay attention with it - it is what I have said."

Sorry, but this is more than just a media "angle". Vincent's starry, starry nights have turned stormy.


* Following the pattern of the match, City almost hit back less than two minutes later, a chance forged out of Liverpool's defensive problems of early season. They were saved by the width of the post.

Simon Mignolet has received effusive praise for the manner of his response to being dropped by Rodgers, and it is worth remembering that he was only recalled after Brad Jones sustained a thigh injury. Mignolet has looked calm and assured in his shot-stopping, but it is his commanding of his defence and improved aptitude in dealing with crosses that have most impressed his manager.

"I think he looks like a different goalkeeper," Rodgers said in January, but this was a return to the bad old days of November. David Silva sent a through ball high over Liverpool's defensive line, and there was a lack of communication between goalkeeper and defence. Mignolet should have come out of his goal but stayed put (another hallmark of his poor autumn form), allowing Aguero to reach the ball no more than ten yards from goal. His shot hit the inside of the far post and bounced clear.


* When City did equalise, it was a move of superb quality. Yaya Toure fired in a pass to Silva, who had drifted dangerously across the field and into the space in front of Liverpool's back three. He found Aguero 25 yards from goal.

Aguero's reputation is understandably based predominantly on his goalscoring record and finishing ability, but that does something of a disservice to his work in creating, rather than finishing, chances. The way he drew all three of Liverpool's central defenders towards him on the edge of the area reminded me of Lionel Messi - all three were so wary of giving him space that they ignored the bigger picture.

The space created allowed Dzeko to have the time ten yards out to fire past Mignolet. The pass that found him was also worthy of comparisons with Aguero's fellow Argentinean.


* What is going on with the quality of the Anfield pitch? The ball continuously bobbled and made first touches difficult, a combination of hard surface and patchy grass. What happened to the carpet?

"It was an outstanding performance, the quality of our passing and moving on a terrible pitch, the pitch is awful here," said Rodgers in December after the 2-2 draw with Arsenal. "We will be getting a new pitch next summer to help the speed of our game," explained Rodgers a week later "It is an old pitch that has not been upgraded for some years and it can be a disadvantage for us. It is difficult to play one-touch football on it."

Rodgers is not the only person to comment on the surface. "I don't think either team played that great and a draw would have been a fair result", said Tottenham's Ryan Mason after their 3-2 loss last month. "The pitch wasn't great and both teams couldn't really play their football that well."

It failed to take away from the spectacle of the match (and may have even added to the calamitous defending), but Liverpool should have a pitch on which a side can pass the ball freely and quickly without problem. Anything else is unacceptable.


* City started the brighter in the second half, Aguero's header drifting just over the bar, but they then fell away in alarming fashion as Liverpool began to dominate the match. City needed victory, but found nothing.

The principal issue appeared to be a lack of work rate and desire to press the ball to copy the tone set by their hosts. Too often passes out of Liverpool's defence were played into midfield leaving a midfielder able to control the ball, turn and look to create danger before a tackle was made. Which was the team that played 120 minutes on Thursday again?

Pellegrini opted to change things in order to add solidity, bringing on James Milner for Dzeko before the hour mark. However, rather than setting up as a 4-2-3-1 with Milner alongside Fernandinho (thus giving extra bite in central areas), City instead went with a 4-1-3-2 with Milner out on the left. That predictably failed to address the aforementioned issue.

A situation was instead created whereby City's players were forced to play catch-up, committing fouls in order to break up attacks. This was reaction rather than proaction.

City were penalised for four fouls before half-time but gave away three times that many in the second period, with three players booked after the break. Combine that with a carelessness in possession (75% passing accuracy compared to 82% in the first half) and Liverpool were allowed to search for the winner. They gleefully accepted that offer.


* When the goal finally came, it was as a result of that space afforded to Liverpool's midfielders. Sterling was given the time to find Coutinho, with the Brazilian able to consider his options on the edge of the box. It's fair to say that he chose the right one.

Coutinho's finish was beautiful, less power than Henderson's opener but therefore with more bend, leaving Joe Hart equally helpless. Give the best players time and space, and being punished for that benevolence becomes an inevitability, not a possibility.


* And Coutinho was the 'best player', a wonderful display to add to an ever-growing list. There is a case for labelling the Brazilian as the best Premier League player of 2015 so far. One has to keep reminding themselves that he is still just 22, another member of a stellar group of young attacking players gracing this league.

It is a cliché to say that Coutinho was the heartbeat or pulse of Liverpool's performance, but an appropriate sentiment too. In a side without a recognised striker, he became the link between attack and midfield, consistently finding joy in between City's lines of midfield and defence. Coutinho had double the amount of shots of any other Liverpool player (and also in terms of shots on target), making 50% more passes in City's half than Raheem Sterling.

However, Coutinho isn't all glamour. He has won more tackles (17) than any other Liverpool player in 2015, and he also covered 10.6km against City. Determination and commitment are necessities, not options. The winner added a perfect varnish to his Man of the Match performance.


* A quick word of praise too for Joe Allen, another who has previously been deservedly maligned at Anfield. Faces may have winced when they saw the Welshman potentially pitched against Toure in midfield, but he was superb in marshalling that area of the pitch.

Allen won possession more times than any of his team mates, and lost possession fewer times than everyone but Martin Skrtel. He also passed the ball with markedly better accuracy (88%) than Henderson (73%), Coutinho (73%), Alberto Moreno (74%) and Markovic (81%). His figure was bettered by only Skrtel, Mangala and Fernandinho of all 27 players used. Allen should be delighted with his work.


* Rodgers spoke before the game on the disadvantage of playing on Thursday evening in the Europa League.

"That extra period of 48 hours that City have could be crucial, certainly physically, especially as we will have very little preparation time," the Liverpool manager said. "It'll just be about recovery. We can't train on the pitch at Anfield, we can't make it any worse than it is, so we're having to train during the day."

Evidently Rodgers failed to mention that all those problems could have been avoided by beating FC Basel at home (or away), but his point does remain. Liverpool's delayed flight got in at 4.19am Friday morning, the end of a 4,300 mile round trip. This was not ideal preparation.

Even Pellegrini agreed on the issue: "You cannot prepare the game because you finish on Thursday night and you must play on Sunday. The players need at least 48 hours to recover. It is an advantage for the other team. Of course it is an advantage. I have played in the Europa League and when you arrive on Friday, it is not the best way to prepare for a game on Sunday but that is the rules."

As far as the Europa League is concerned, the result of Sunday's match was largely irrelevant, for the minds of managers appears to have been made up. Even with the added incentive of a Champions League place for the winner, whilst Thursday night football continues to feel more like a burden than an honour, its prestige will suffer.

A compromise is needed: What about playing the Europa League on Tuesdays and Wednesdays at 6pm ahead of Champions League matches at 8pm? That would remove the concerns over fatigue and short recovery times, making it feel more like a delicious appetiser than unwanted stodgy pudding.


* What now then for Manuel Pellegrini? As I wrote in Big Weekend on Friday: 'Roberto Mancini was sacked for finishing second in the Premier League, exiting the Champions League in the group stage and reaching the FA Cup final. Unless Pellegrini can manufacture a Camp Nou miracle, the Premier League remains his only hope of redemption.' That hope has now surely faded, and will lead to serious questions about Pellegrini's suitability to continue in his role beyond this season.

Players have regressed in form under his tenure, and his signings have thus far fallen woefully short of providing value-for-money. A total spend of £180m returns Martin Demichelis as the only unqualified success when considering the purchase price. That's just not good enough.

Furthermore, it feels as if City's players are no longer playing for Pellegrini. The second half at Anfield was their big opportunity, the moment when they needed to press for victory in order to remain as viable contenders in the title race. All that followed was a damp squib, an acceptance of second best. That's not a principle Sheikh Mansour's ambitions are built on.


* For Liverpool, the continuation of some superb form, and credit must go to Rodgers for this resurgence. It is his 3-4-3 formation that has given them a threat in wide areas but added steel in central defence, his positivity that has kept players upbeat and his team that leads the Premier League's form table.

Rodgers is guilty of saying the clichéd, the cheesy and the ridiculous, but Liverpool's players and supporters will not give a stuff. This season has brought dark days (Liverpool were as low as 12th in late-November and tenth at Christmas), but it is impossible to not to admire the response to that adversity.

"It was a brilliant result and a brilliant performance. The players were relentless today," said Rodgers after the match. For once, it's impossible to argue with that optimism. Liverpool were worthy winners, and will rightly be confident of a second consecutive top four finish.

Daniel Storey[/article]
 
I think its harsh to blame Lovren for their goal. It was well played by City, a good goal and I cant see any particular player to blame.

I agree with this - that goal was just a superstar play and is what Suarez used to give us. Draw a few defenders to him, and even for those who aren't pulled away, he distracts their attention because he's just so fucking good that you're always looking out for him throwing away his shadows and coming at you.

I think every goal that's conceded is going to have some level of defending that could've been this or that bit better, here or there. The difference is how big that "bit" is, and in this situation, I think that was tiny. :D

Superstar play that was. How I hope we have such a striker next season to partner / rotate with Sturridge.
 
I note a lot of people were having a go at Markovic at the game yesterday and I know he was our most wasteful player in possession, but... City got nothing down that flank all day and it was because he tirelessly booted up and down it covering the space. I was shocked when he was taken off and replaced with lallana in that position because we'd just gone 2-1 up and defensively he'd worked very well with Can.
 
I note a lot of people were having a go at Markovic at the game yesterday and I know he was our most wasteful player in possession, but... City got nothing down that flank all day and it was because he tirelessly booted up and down it covering the space. I was shocked when he was taken off and replaced with lallana in that position because we'd just gone 2-1 up and defensively he'd worked very well with Can.

Yup - I mentioned that. Not sure if City made an attempt to just go with Nasri/Silva and Zabaleta on the right and go after Lovren, or Can/Markovic just made it impossible.
 
Yup - I mentioned that. Not sure if City made an attempt to just go with Nasri/Silva and Zabaleta on the right and go after Lovren, or Can/Markovic just made it impossible.


Agreed, thought Markovic did very well defensively.
 
I think its harsh to blame Lovren for their goal. It was well played by City, a good goal and I cant see any particular player to blame.

Me too. Looks to me like Can was to slow. If he'd stepped up just before Ageuro's pass Dzeko would have been offside. The other two CBs had a line he was not following.
 
Considering they've spent £220 million we took them to the fucking cleaners.
Pelligirini won't be there next season. They've spent bigger money on more dross than we have.
They should be winning it every season.

Excellent performance, esp after mid-week. wish we'd played 3-4-3 in the week!
Only three points off 3rd. Hold on to your hats boys!
 
I note a lot of people were having a go at Markovic at the game yesterday and I know he was our most wasteful player in possession, but... City got nothing down that flank all day and it was because he tirelessly booted up and down it covering the space. I was shocked when he was taken off and replaced with lallana in that position because we'd just gone 2-1 up and defensively he'd worked very well with Can.

I said the same thing .. and gave him 7/10. Since then I've actually seen his passing stats which were better than most of the team's at 81% success rate. Considering where and how he was playing that is an excellent stat (higher than Skrtel's).
 
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