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Moneyball and Performance Related Pay

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Liverpool FC are at the forefront of introducing performance related pay for players, according to chief executive Ian Ayre. And it is being largely welcomed by players and even their agents.

In negotiating or re-negotiating deals, Liverpool are using the latest statistical and analytical tools to show players how and where they can improve - or where they may have dropped in standard - to incentivise them. If young players develop or reach levels they are capable of - or established stars maintain or improve further - they will reap the financial benefits for their efforts.

Said Ayre: “In any business you can make lots of money but if you let it go out of the door in other ways, then you are in trouble. “I think a big part of what we have done over several years is try to realign all sorts of costs. “The obvious biggest outgoing is players’ wages and transfer fees. That’s taken a pretty dramatic change in terms of how we look at it, analyse it and pay for it - and how we structure contracts.
“So elements of performance in contracts is key; getting value is key - value in and value out. “That takes time, because a it’s a new structure and new way of going about things. “If you are re-negotiating a player’s contract, you can only do that at the time it is due to happen. That has taken some years but we feel we have made great progress and we’ll continue that.

“Like any incentive it has to be achievable. There is no point setting goals that are just unrealistic. “We pay good pay for our players; we pay fair pay. But we also like to give them the appetite to earn more which we know footballers like to do. As we all do.

“So we spend a lot of time and our Performance and Analysis team spend a lot of time analysing and structuring, so that when we put a deal to a player that has performance related bonuses or elements, we are not only just showing them what they can earn, we are showing them the realism of that. “It’s realistic because we have all the statistics.

And they can see that they are actually very capable of it - and in some cases they have been doing it. “It’s perhaps that we’d just like to see more of it . And they can then feel energised to go out and achieve that. “That’s a far cry from deals where it is sort of nailed on and then it doesn’t matter whether they perform or do not perform. “So we are just trying to find a balance. I think other teams are doing that as well - or at least trying to do that. “And it’s certainly working for us - we have a happy bunch of players.”
 
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All looks good to me, is the increase media revenue because of the Champions League? Or is it too early for that to make a difference.
 
All looks good to me, is the increase media revenue because of the Champions League? Or is it too early for that to make a difference.
No that will show up in this years accounts. I notice total wages are up around 10% which is surprising given all the trimming we supposedly have been doing. These figures wouldn't include any bonuses for cl qualification either. Also Ayre is on a million quid:wideyed:
 
What the fuck is wrong with this business model, a club takes in 255 million in revenue and makes only 900k in profit, and we are one of the top 10 earning clubs in the world. Is every other club in Europe going broke or is their some accounting trick at work here, how is it possible for an industry which generates literally billions in TV revenue to make virtually no profits ever.
 
What the fuck is wrong with this business model, a club takes in 255 million in revenue and makes only 900k in profit, and we are one of the top 10 earning clubs in the world. Is every other club in Europe going broke or is their some accounting trick at work here, how is it possible for an industry which generates literally billions in TV revenue to make virtually no profits ever.


Outrageous Player wages and transfers..
 
What the fuck is wrong with this business model, a club takes in 255 million in revenue and makes only 900k in profit, and we are one of the top 10 earning clubs in the world. Is every other club in Europe going broke or is their some accounting trick at work here, how is it possible for an industry which generates literally billions in TV revenue to make virtually no profits ever.

Maybe the CEO should have some performance related bonus pay?
 
What the fuck is wrong with this business model, a club takes in 255 million in revenue and makes only 900k in profit, and we are one of the top 10 earning clubs in the world. Is every other club in Europe going broke or is their some accounting trick at work here, how is it possible for an industry which generates literally billions in TV revenue to make virtually no profits ever.

Because they invest the money back into the company, like most companies do.
 
I'm pretty sure he does, and looking at the results above, Mr Ayre is going to be handsomely rewarded.

Ha - he earned a mil the year before when we made a huge loss.
I don't think you can compare LFC to a plc where those sort of wages maybe could be justified.
 
What the fuck is wrong with this business model, a club takes in 255 million in revenue and makes only 900k in profit, and we are one of the top 10 earning clubs in the world. Is every other club in Europe going broke or is their some accounting trick at work here, how is it possible for an industry which generates literally billions in TV revenue to make virtually no profits ever.


There is little point in making a profit - you just end up paying tax
 
Ha - he earned a mil the year before when we made a huge loss.
I don't think you can compare LFC to a plc where those sort of wages maybe could be justified.

You can completely compare them, they are both multimillion pound companies.
 
What the fuck is wrong with this business model, a club takes in 255 million in revenue and makes only 900k in profit, and we are one of the top 10 earning clubs in the world. Is every other club in Europe going broke or is their some accounting trick at work here, how is it possible for an industry which generates literally billions in TV revenue to make virtually no profits ever.
According to the owners they're not in it for profit, so if they're being true to their word then I wouldn't expect to see much.

Of course should you take out the expenditure that is being used for the stadium redevelopment I'm sure there be a profit there*

*complete assumption, I haven't checked nor can I be arsed doing
 
You can completely compare them, they are both multimillion pound companies.

I don't think you would find many businesses with a 250 million turnover paying their ceo inflated wages like that unless he oversaw huge profits
 
I don't think you would find many businesses with a 250 million turnover paying their ceo inflated wages like that unless he oversaw huge profits

They aren't inflated CEO wages, they are exactly what you'd expect a CEO of a company turning hundreds of millions to earn. We have no obligation to make profit, we're not a PLC, it makes more financial sense to invest the money back in and grow the company.
 
They aren't inflated CEO wages, they are exactly what you'd expect a CEO of a company turning hundreds of millions to earn. We have no obligation to make profit, we're not a PLC, it makes more financial sense to invest the money back in and grow the company.
Chief Executive Officer (CEO) Salary in London, England: London
A Chief Executive Officer (CEO) in London, England: London earns an average salary of £118,655 per year. The skills that increase pay for this job the most are Marketing Management, Strategic Planning, Sales Management, Sales, and Strategic Marketing. Experience has a moderate effect on income for this job.
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Total Pay (?) £59,349 - £269,114
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I notice total wages are up around 10% which is surprising given all the trimming we supposedly have been doing.

The key transfers for this accounting period were:
IN : Sakho, Mignolet, Aspas, Ilori, Luis Alberto, Toure, Cissokho (loan), Moses (loan)
OUT: Carragher (retired), Carroll, Downing, Shelvey, Spearing, Reina (loan), Assaidi (loan), Borini (loan)

The wage movements for these ins and outs probably netted each other off, assuming loan wages were paid by the borrowing club.

Gerrard signed a new two-year contract in the accounting year (Jun 2013).
We gave a new contract to Suarez in the middle of the accounting year (Dec 2013).
We got back into the CL and finished 2nd in the league, so I guess performance bonuses kicked in for the newer contracts - i.e. for those players brought in or whose contracts were renewed during Rodgers' tenure (e.g. the two above, Allen, Sturridge and Coutinho).

Can't think of much else that would've added to staff costs; maybe Dr Peters cost a bomb!
 
There was never any trimming - there was a lazy article claiming we'd taken half a million a week off the wage bill that stuck in everyone's mind.

The journo never bothered taking into account the wages of the players we signed.

Headlines and misinformation seem to reign supreme on finances
 
Chief Executive Officer (CEO) Salary in London, England: London




A Chief Executive Officer (CEO) in London, England: London earns an average salary of £118,655 per year. The skills that increase pay for this job the most are Marketing Management, Strategic Planning, Sales Management, Sales, and Strategic Marketing. Experience has a moderate effect on income for this job.



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Bonus £650 - £96,659
Profit Sharing £-0.27 - £51,233
Commission £19,653 - £30,000
Total Pay (?) £59,349 - £269,114
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You've got me, the average wage of a CEO across many multiple sizes of companies in London is completely relevant to the CEO wage at a single company in Liverpool.
 
They aren't inflated CEO wages, they are exactly what you'd expect a CEO of a company turning hundreds of millions to earn. We have no obligation to make profit, we're not a PLC, it makes more financial sense to invest the money back in and grow the company.
Really. The CEO of multibillion pounds Companies over here in Norway make less than a million quid a year. Take Oil giants as Statoil as an example. I think the CEO there is on less than 500 000 Pounds.
 
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