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Tom Werner: Liverpool is not for sale - we've made a commitment to Klopp

  • 18:49, 19 AUG 2016
  • UPDATED 20:08, 19 AUG 2016
  • BY JAMES PEARCE
Reds chairman says owners won't sell up as they eye bright future at Anfield


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John W Henry (R) and Tom Werner, owners of Liverpool FC watch a training session at Melwood (Photo by Andrew Powell/Liverpool FC via Getty Images)
Chairman Tom Werner insists Fenway Sports Group remain fully committed to restoringLiverpool to former glory as he declared: “This club is not for sale.”
In a wide ranging exclusive interview with the ECHO, Werner addressed the recent speculation about takeover bids from Chinese investment groups.
Werner says the American owners have no intention of selling the club they bought some six years ago. Jurgen Klopp penned a new six-year contract last month and FSG made a promise to the manager that their commitment was equally unwavering.
With Klopp at the helm, Werner believes the German coach will usher in a new era of success for Liverpool and FSG intend to stick around for the ride.
“We’ve said it before and I’d like to say it again: this club is not for sale,” Werner told the ECHO.
“I’d say that from time to time somebody says they have made an offer to us but they are really saying that just for publicity.
“People throw offers to us which we don’t think are real. We haven’t had a discussion or a negotiation with anyone because this club is not for sale.
“If someone wants to write us a letter saying they want to buy the club then it will get put in the garbage.
“I don’t think that we could have made a long-term arrangement with Jurgen without an understanding on both sides about our future together.”


FSG may sell minority stake

Werner confirmed that FSG remain open to the idea of selling a minority stake in the club in return for the right investment but there’s currently no such offer on the table.
“At the same time we’ve been clear that we actively pursue commercial opportunities which in turn helps us invest in the squad and win football matches,” he said.
“These commercial discussions can be complex and we’ve said in the past, under the right conditions and absolutely with the right partner, we could look at some small investment stake in the club.
“But only in the framework of doing what would be in the club’s long-term best interests. I want to reiterate that the club is not for sale.”


Werner excited about new season under Klopp

After the near misses of 2015/16 when Liverpool lost in both the Capital One Cup and Europa League finals, Werner is convinced the club is well placed to kick on this season. Last weekend’s thrilling 4-3 victory at Arsenal served to whet the appetite.
FSG had long since admired Klopp prior to his appointment last October and over the past 10 months that belief in him has strengthened as he’s set about transforming the club’s fortunes.
“There were some great moments last season,” Werner said. “We were in Basel – talk about a tale of two halves.
“It was a season in which in retrospect the most important decision we made was recruiting Jurgen to come to Liverpool. We are absolutely convinced that decision will pay dividends and we will win a lot of trophies going forward.
“Last season was probably a bit of a transition for Jurgen but the overall impression I had was we enjoyed some wonderful moments. The match against Dortmund at home was thrilling. We are very confident that Jurgen and his staff will lead us to many successes going forward.
“It was a very exciting start to the season against Arsenal. Everyone would agree we looked somewhat sluggish in that first half. But to play such magnificent attacking football in the second half was terrific. We’re looking forward to seeing what this season holds.”

Asked what was realistic for Liverpool to achieve in 2016/17, Werner said: “I don’t think it’s helpful to set any targets publicly.
“We are all in agreement, it’s about development and improvement. We all want to win as much as we can and believe we are in a good place. We are confident that there’s no ceiling on what we can hope to achieve. We’re all very ambitious.
“There’s no question that the Premier League has become more competitive. In many ways this league is more exciting than even the Champions League. On any given weekend you can no longer count on a victory. Every team has improved.
“What happened last season was thrilling for everyone. Of course we wish we had won the league but the fact that Leicester City were so exceptional was a terrific thing for the sport.
“We now have the best coaches in the world in the Premier League and that’s great for both players and supporters. It gives us another incentive to be successful.”
Klopp new deal a 'significant moment'

It’s been a busy summer at Anfield but getting Klopp to pen a new deal to stay at Anfield until at least 2022 was arguably the most important signing of the lot. The former Borussia Dortmund boss has energised both the dressing room and the fanbase.
“From our point of view it was a very significant moment,” Werner said,
“We wanted to really put any sort of question about managers to rest.
“We felt from the very beginning that he was a world class manager and that he was the ideal manager for this club. It made perfect sense to us. We’re delighted that he has the same commitment and enthusiasm going forward as we have.
“In every way we’ve seen how strong a leader he is. The players have absolutely responded to his leadership. The supporters feel very comfortable with Jurgen.
“He made a decision too. He’s extremely committed to Liverpool. He’s absolutely the right manager for this club.
“He understands the global fanbase, he understands the history of it and he’s extremely proud and passionate about the club. I think he’s given a real sense of strength and identity to the club as it goes forward.”
FSG looking for Main Stand naming rights deal

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Liverpool's Anfield Stadium is nearing completion, as construction work continues on the new Main Stand
Promise on the field is accompanied by progress off it as Anfield’s impressive new Main Stand nears completion.
Werner and fellow FSG senior executives John W Henry and Mike Gordon will all fly to Merseyside next month for Liverpool’s first home game of the season against Leicester City on September 10.
A naming rights deal for the Main Stand remains some way off. “We’ve had a lot of interest in it but there’s nothing at the moment, just conversations,” Werner said.


The stadium was a burning issue which FSG inherited when they bought the club in October 2010 and they have resolved it with 8,500 extra seats bolstering Anfield’s capacity to around 54,000. It will generate around £25million extra per season.
“We will all be over there for the first match,” Werner added.
“I am extremely proud of what’s been achieved. When we first came in there was a lot of uncertainty over whether to remain at Anfield or not.
“It was always going to be about doing what was in the best interests of the club. We listened to our supporters, we listened to our partners, we listened to the official supporters committee.
“There were a lot of missteps before we came in. There was a lot of scepticism when we talked about our plan we intended to execute.
“I couldn’t be more delighted. The people who have seen it talk about what a real improvement it is. It will obviously give us more revenue to put into other portions of the club. We have solved a problem which was a real challenge for the club.
“I’m sure there will be a bump or two in the beginning. We need to make sure the increased capacity works well for everybody but I think it’s a big step forward for the club.”
 
Don't give me shit for thinking out loud here please, but what is the feasibility of setting up a crowd funding thing for the supporters to buy the naming rights for the new stand and call it the Kenny Dalglish Stand as a 40th anniversary present. I'd love the fella to get something huge like that while he's still around. I'd throw a quid or two in.
 
That's a load of words to say that they want to sell 10% of the club

Any non-oil rich club would sell 10% of their stake for the right sum of money. It would be foolish to rule out and they are just being open and honest about our possible future. That's fine by me.
 
They get away with murder because they're not H&G. Not a fan of them, never have been.
 
They get away with murder because they're not H&G. Not a fan of them, never have been.

Murder? I know things can be better, but what have they done (or not done) that's been that bad?

When you look at what's happened at some other clubs, it could be far worse. They've gotten things moving with the stadium and generally remain pretty quiet.

That said, I am envious of City. It's not just the money, it's the drive behind the scenes to make them the best.

That's what I feel we lack - a group of people behind the scenes working to put the necessary structures and people in place to make us as good as we can be. It seems to begin and end with the manager, which is wrong.
 
Yeah, I dont really get the hate towards them. Should have involved and hired someone with a bit of footballing knowledge from the start but they have delivered.

Stadium has been expanded and they've backed every manager with more than enough funds.
 
On the whole they're in credit. Certainly in a commercial sense they've been brilliant. They've also expanded the stadium. I do think, however, they've been poor in terms of the football side. They appeared indecisive and confused by going with Kenny and then sacking him, choosing a seriously inexperienced new manager way too soon for such a big job, then allowing him to block their own preferred set up, then establishing a transfer committee that satisfied no party and saddled us with a squad far too full of mediocrities. And they spent money, but not wisely and, in this hyper-competitive league and inflated market, not enough. Getting
Klopp was a master stroke, because he's genuinely good and well-suited to this club, and the decision has acted like a Men in Black memory wipe for many fans and media commentators, obscuring past mistakes and focusing minds on the future. So they're belatedly doing well, I'd say. If they now hire a top class CEO as Ayre's successor, they'll really have turned the corner.
 
Nothing at all, I'm afraid, but I'm trying!

There was some mention of Billy Hogan taking over. I am not to sure about it, he has done a great job on the commercial front but does not have any experience on the football side of things.
 
There was some mention of Billy Hogan taking over. I am not to sure about it, he has done a great job on the commercial front but does not have any experience on the football side of things.

Yes, I don't think he's being considered. I do know that the club has been in contact, several times, since Klopp came with that Juventus bloke *quickly googles his name* Fabio Paratici, but that could well be for another position, if he wants to come.
 
I'm not sure why (if any) there is dislike for the owners. I think that have been ace. Commercial side of things (as @gkmacca says) has been brilliant. They have invested in the squad and the stadium and managed to convince the best manager in world football into a six year contract. I'm a big fan. ;)
 
It's a combination of things IMO, ranging from sheer frustration at the number of years we've gone without a league title, through the fact that they've made their share of mistakes (as macca indicates above), to the fact that they're American, which (a) reminds some of Hicks and Gillett before them - despite FSG being the ones who rescued the club from those two - and (b), in a few people at any rate, still seems to bring out a degree of sheer bigotry which wouldn't be acceptable if aimed at more or less any other nationality or group of people.

I thought they were in credit, as macca usefully puts it, anyway even before they signed Klopp. Now there's absolutely no question about it IMO. The very fact that he decided to come here with them in charge should seal the matter AFAIC.
 
Yep - I was wary at first. I remember though milling around the Royal Courts Of Justice on the day of 'The Epic Swindle' and chatting to a very sound yank who was a Red Sox/Liverpool fan and he allayed any fears I had. He said that FSG were revered in N America as being very capable and generous owners who most baseball fans looked at with envy. He was chuffed to fuck they were going to be taking over the redmen and so it has proved. So hats off to Hank the Yank. You were right fella :)
 
Foolish to see anything altruistic in their taking over the club. They are money men who saw an opportunity and it has worked out very well for them, their " asset " is worth more than double what they paid for it and only looks as if it will appreciate more. Sure they haven't taken any money out of the club but they have done alright out of the deal. When the time comes to sell they will look back on it as an amazing investment. I think you are deluded if you think they enjoy " soccer " and are in it for the kicks. GK's post sums it up well I think.
 
Yeah @tony I get you but there is a massive difference in owners. Some like Hicks and Gillett can be a poisonous element to a club. Plunging it into years of debt and regret. Some just outright rinse the fuck out of it and don't care at all. FSG have happily proved to be top owners and their canny investment is to be applauded.
 
Yes, I don't think he's being considered. I do know that the club has been in contact, several times, since Klopp came with that Juventus bloke *quickly googles his name* Fabio Paratici, but that could well be for another position, if he wants to come.

Juve are a very well run club both on and off the pitch in the last few years. I just googled this Fabio guy up after reading your post and he seems to be a very well connected and respected sporting director.
 
The Arabs aren't in it for the money. Neither is Abramovich.

We'll never win the league under FSG. They won't ever invest enough money for us to be consistently challenging and winning trophies.

We may get a bit closer to the commercial behemoths that are United and Bayern, but FSG won't/ can't afford to propel us into that kind of company by pumping half a billion into the club, so we're never going to be able to compete with the biggest clubs in the Premiership or abroad.

Perhaps They started out thinking they could be better at business and strategy than all the legacy football dimwits, with their Yank sporting franchise smarts. Then the hope was that FFP would level the field. Maybe building a new stand?

But I'm no longer convinced they ever really had genuine ambitions to win titles - did they ever think it could be done on the cheap? - and just want to make as much money as possible. Because winning titles and building long-term consistent success requires no clever strategy, or Yank business smarts or Moneyball or the best manager.

It requires spending lots and lots and lots of money. Every season. And That's it.

We will finish about 6th again, as most people expected
 
The Arabs aren't in it for the money. Neither is Abramovich.

We'll never win the league under FSG. They won't ever invest enough money for us to be consistently challenging and winning trophies.

We may get a bit closer to the commercial behemoths that are United and Bayern, but FSG won't/ can't afford to propel us into that kind of company by pumping half a billion into the club, so we're never going to be able to compete with the biggest clubs in the Premiership or abroad.

Perhaps They started out thinking they could be better at business and strategy than all the legacy football dimwits, with their Yank sporting franchise smarts. Then the hope was that FFP would level the field. Maybe building a new stand?

But I'm no longer convinced they ever really had genuine ambitions to win titles - did they ever think it could be done on the cheap? - and just want to make as much money as possible. Because winning titles and building long-term consistent success requires no clever strategy, or Yank business smarts or Moneyball or the best manager.

It requires spending lots and lots and lots of money. Every season. And That's it.

We will finish about 6th again, as most people expected
The fatal flaw in this argument is that we do spend a fucking ton of money, it's not quite Man City and Man United levels, but it's hardly far off. I don't know why a lot of Liverpool fans want to portray us as being poor, we're not, we're fucking loaded.
 
The fatal flaw in this argument is that we do spend a fucking ton of money, it's not quite Man City and Man United levels, but it's hardly far off. I don't know why a lot of Liverpool fans want to portray us as being poor, we're not, we're fucking loaded.
Agree-- we've just largely been imprudent with how we have spent our money. Just look at our two most expensive signings as [a] case in point, and the same mistake twice forsooth!
 
The fatal flaw in this argument is that we do spend a fucking ton of money, it's not quite Man City and Man United levels, but it's hardly far off. I don't know why a lot of Liverpool fans want to portray us as being poor, we're not, we're fucking loaded.

Agreed, and I'd add that, while the Arabs and Abramovich are already minted beyond the wildest dreams of anyone here, I maintain they absolutely are in it for the money - not only for that perhaps (they have other purposes to serve at the same time) but you can bet your bollocks that making money is on the list too.
 
Our budget isn't the problem...it's what we have to do with it. We can't make the two or three huge signings that turn a top 4 side into champions...we still have to strengthen all areas in order to make up for poor transfer decisions dating back years so we're constantly in transition
 
The fatal flaw in this argument is that we do spend a fucking ton of money, it's not quite Man City and Man United levels, but it's hardly far off. I don't know why a lot of Liverpool fans want to portray us as being poor, we're not, we're fucking loaded.

I never said we were 'poor'. We just don't have the kind of money available to ensure success over a sustained period. So we might finish 2nd once in a while, but usually we will be about - or should be about - fourth to sixth.

Finishing higher will be dependent on great form, luck, no injuries to key players , management expertise, training methods and successful transfer dealings

So far, few of the above are in evidence
 
There was some mention of Billy Hogan taking over. I am not to sure about it, he has done a great job on the commercial front but does not have any experience on the football side of things.


I'd be willing to wager that exactly the same words were spoken when Ayre was about to be promoted to the role.
 
The fatal flaw in this argument is that we do spend a fucking ton of money, it's not quite Man City and Man United levels, but it's hardly far off. I don't know why a lot of Liverpool fans want to portray us as being poor, we're not, we're fucking loaded.

Yeah, we are. But there are still clubs with bottomless pits and we don't have one of those pits. We should do better than we do, mind.
 
Oh i don't want fucking consistent success...i'd rip your hand off for a Leicester season and then years of living off it.
 
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