No mate - I wasn't implying that, Rather touchy today aren't we.
Our Signings - how do they make you feel ?
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No mate - I wasn't implying that, Rather touchy today aren't we.
Creativity, form and consistency will be a huge factor. I have high hope for Sturridge stepping up to the 30 goal mark if he can stay injury free and be consistent. Lambert and Remy will get 15 - 20 goals. Sterling, Lallana and Coutinho to at least get 10 goals each and Markovic to maybe get there or thereabouts.
We're in good hands and the type of football we play guarantees goals.
We're in good hands and the type of football we play guarantees goals.
Jesus Roland that is an extremely optimistic forecast !
I'd go :
Defence saving : 10-12 goals (to return to a normal Top 4/5 level of 38-40 goals conceded).
Sturridge : 20-23
Lallana : 10-12
Sterling : 10-12
Coutinho : 5-8
Markovic : 5-6
Lovren : 4-5
Remy : 12-15
Lambert : 10-12
Lots of leeway there for more/less but in the end we should still match or surpass the +50 GD of last season.
I have every reason to be optimistic and we won't be shipping easy goals. Having said that, you're no too far from from my predictions give or take a few
From my perspective - and I'm usually positive about players, but negative about where the team will finish.
Markovic - the transfer which excites me the most. A lot of ability and could be a top player.
Lallana - should fit in very well with our play.
Lovren - Exactly what we need at the back.
Remy + Lambert - Shrewd buys.
Origi + Can. Potential for the future. Concerned about Origi's finishing and Can's general contribution. We'll see.
Left back bothers me. What's out there doesn't look great, and is over-priced. We have some decent youngsters - Smith, McLaughlin, Robinson. With Flanagan/Johnson able to play either side, do we avoid the silly buy and go with what we have.
I'm excited about Ibe - hope to see him this season. I'm concerned that one at least of Suso/Teixeira will find it a frustrating year if they stay at Anfield.
Markovic - the transfer which excites me the most. A lot of ability and could be a top player.
Lallana - should fit in very well with our play.
Lovren - Exactly what we need at the back.
Remy + Lambert - Shrewd buys.
Origi + Can. Potential for the future. Concerned about Origi's finishing and Can's general contribution. We'll see.
Left back bothers me. What's out there doesn't look great, and is over-priced. We have some decent youngsters - Smith, McLaughlin, Robinson. With Flanagan/Johnson able to play either side, do we avoid the silly buy and go with what we have.
I'm excited about Ibe - hope to see him this season. I'm concerned that one at least of Suso/Teixeira will find it a frustrating year if they stay at Anfield.
Though I wasn't as totally enamoured with Rojo's WC performances, as some here were, he would be an excellent buy and would only cost ca. £10m according to reports.
Interestingly, from what I can see in transfermarkt, he played most of his games in the last 2 seasons at CB for Sporting Lisbon - someone who has watched them more closely can correct me here.
It seems we may need to step into the murky waters of 3rd party ownership again. Rojo's rights partly belong to Doyen Sports (see who else they work(ed?) with here: http://www.doyensports.com/en/players.html), and some sources (not sure of reliability) have put the 3rd party stake at as high as 75%.
Transfermarkt says Sporting paid £3.5m for Rojo when he transferred from Spartak Moscow. I'm not sure if all of that came from the club, or if they shared the cost with Doyen Sports, or if they paid up everything, then sold a stake to Doyen at a different price. Whatever the case, the £10m price tag would probably need to be taken very loosely because both the club and the 3rd party owner would want a nice return on their investment. Wouldn't be surprised if they're asking for 50% or higher more on the rumoured values.
I think for any new signings in future, especially if they are attackers/forwards, make them sign a clause that states 'must score minimum of x number of goals a season', else have your wage deducted for the month or something like that.
Signings make me feel like I wish I was an agent picking up a few points on the package.
Drinks all round.
Drinks all round.
Signed:
Like Lallana and Lambert. Lallana will be excellent for us and Lambert fulfils a role nicely.
I don't think Can will still be here in 2 or 3 years cos he's a bit pants and Markovic will be a super star.
Imminent:
Remy is a great piece of business and Origi is a punt which will probably cost us nothing and will actually make us a few bob. He may well end up good.
Rumoured:
Neither Lovren or Moreno convince me at all but I haven't seen a whole lot of either.
Completely made up by twitter:
Reus will be a star here and is exactly what we need.
Like Lallana and Lambert. Lallana will be excellent for us and Lambert fulfils a role nicely.
I don't think Can will still be here in 2 or 3 years cos he's a bit pants and Markovic will be a super star.
Imminent:
Remy is a great piece of business and Origi is a punt which will probably cost us nothing and will actually make us a few bob. He may well end up good.
Rumoured:
Neither Lovren or Moreno convince me at all but I haven't seen a whole lot of either.
Completely made up by twitter:
Reus will be a star here and is exactly what we need.
Overall I think you have done some very good but relatively unexciting business.
Lovren - Good signing in area you needed strengthening in, thought we might have shown interest.
Can - definitely one for the future but don't know enough to say much more.
Origi - Same
Markovic - Excellent signing and could be a star in the future
Lallana - will do really well for ye, although an area you seemed to be reasonably well stocked in
Lambert - Good value backup squad purchase
Remy - same
Pretty sure you aren't finished in the market yet so the following comment probably won't apply in a few weeks.
Ye have so far gone slightly for quantity over quality (good players with the potential to be great but there could be some flops but 7/8 new players by the end of the window is quantity irrespective of quality).
If ye hadn't lost Suarez then I think the correct strategy was bulking out the squad. Although you probably needed some first XI quality players at thE back, which you have done. And these transfers so far appear to be signings that were planned before he left.
Having lost Suarez I wonder if a strategy of buying cheaper/younger squad bulkers and spending more of the cash to get maybe an extra WC centre midfielder as a long term replacement for Gerrard would have been more productive.
Overall I think as it stands you have a much stronger squad but a weaker first XI. So you will probably lose/draw games Suarez would have got that crucial deciding goal in. But you will win/draw games when players are rested injured.
How the two balance out of the course of the season is impossible to know.
Lovren - Good signing in area you needed strengthening in, thought we might have shown interest.
Can - definitely one for the future but don't know enough to say much more.
Origi - Same
Markovic - Excellent signing and could be a star in the future
Lallana - will do really well for ye, although an area you seemed to be reasonably well stocked in
Lambert - Good value backup squad purchase
Remy - same
Pretty sure you aren't finished in the market yet so the following comment probably won't apply in a few weeks.
Ye have so far gone slightly for quantity over quality (good players with the potential to be great but there could be some flops but 7/8 new players by the end of the window is quantity irrespective of quality).
If ye hadn't lost Suarez then I think the correct strategy was bulking out the squad. Although you probably needed some first XI quality players at thE back, which you have done. And these transfers so far appear to be signings that were planned before he left.
Having lost Suarez I wonder if a strategy of buying cheaper/younger squad bulkers and spending more of the cash to get maybe an extra WC centre midfielder as a long term replacement for Gerrard would have been more productive.
Overall I think as it stands you have a much stronger squad but a weaker first XI. So you will probably lose/draw games Suarez would have got that crucial deciding goal in. But you will win/draw games when players are rested injured.
How the two balance out of the course of the season is impossible to know.
Can't see us signing a really top name.
Sold.our superstar...
Dont see the upside really.
Dont see the upside really.
Excited:
Markovic and Lallana
Satisfied:
Remy
Lambert.
Both deals make economic sense, but doubts whether they are good enough for a side who finished second last season. Neither is world-class or has the potential to be.
Nonplussed:
Can - never seem play. Could go either way.
Lovren- Nothing against Lovren. He's impressed me when I've seen him but I feel it should have already addressed by a £17M Sakho.
Markovic and Lallana
Satisfied:
Remy
Lambert.
Both deals make economic sense, but doubts whether they are good enough for a side who finished second last season. Neither is world-class or has the potential to be.
Nonplussed:
Can - never seem play. Could go either way.
Lovren- Nothing against Lovren. He's impressed me when I've seen him but I feel it should have already addressed by a £17M Sakho.
What baffles me is that over the last 2 windows Rodgers has been banging on about needing first team stars with that extra quality...
and even though weve got a massive wad of cash from Suarez and CL to offer we go and buy Lambert and Remy...
Im sorry but so far the window smacks of quantity not quality, Chelsea go out and buy Fabregas and Costa... we are sitting about debating whether we are happy or not to actually have not replaced our superstar.
its a fucking wank window psychologically... i spose we will find out if Rodgers really is a miracle man soon enough.
and even though weve got a massive wad of cash from Suarez and CL to offer we go and buy Lambert and Remy...
Im sorry but so far the window smacks of quantity not quality, Chelsea go out and buy Fabregas and Costa... we are sitting about debating whether we are happy or not to actually have not replaced our superstar.
its a fucking wank window psychologically... i spose we will find out if Rodgers really is a miracle man soon enough.
From reading all the responses - I feel that there is an undercurrent of nervousness like me. Yes we have bought potential but really when you think about it - we came so close to the title last season that the next step up would be to go and try and win the league regardless of how our main rivals are gearing up for the coming season. For that we needed established players who can guarantee a major difference. I feel that even if Suarez had stayed the signings we have made don't really make too much sense - it would have been sufficient to improve the side significantly by signing:-
1) The defender we need be it Lovren
2) left/right back
3) A strong midfielder who is dynamic box to box
Also having just read a message on the Lovren thread - I see that Chelsea may come in for him, if we lose out to them then it is desperately stupid of us to negotiate (if we are) for so long to get the key position we really need. It is just stupid and silly if we lose out particularly in a market that is low in supply of quality defenders. I honestly don't expect much of Lambert, Markovic, and Cann. I even have doubts about Lallana, it just feels we lacking strength in the middle and fighting spirit - I am thinking of a Viera, Keane, SG (of old), Essien etc type player.
1) The defender we need be it Lovren
2) left/right back
3) A strong midfielder who is dynamic box to box
Also having just read a message on the Lovren thread - I see that Chelsea may come in for him, if we lose out to them then it is desperately stupid of us to negotiate (if we are) for so long to get the key position we really need. It is just stupid and silly if we lose out particularly in a market that is low in supply of quality defenders. I honestly don't expect much of Lambert, Markovic, and Cann. I even have doubts about Lallana, it just feels we lacking strength in the middle and fighting spirit - I am thinking of a Viera, Keane, SG (of old), Essien etc type player.
Some of our signings this summer compared to last summer are like night and day
The forward players - Alberto, Aspas and Moses. A couple of foreign nobodies and a lazy fucker that our rivals didn't fancy.
This time around - Lambert, Remy, Markovic, Lallana, Origi. 2 strikers with PL goals and experience, a skilful, 2 footed England international with great stats last season, a promising young guy we don't intend to play until next season and a highly rated young guy.
If we also get Moreno or some half decent left back it'd be the complete opposite of lending that donkey Cissokho.
It's disappointing to lose Suarez but he's irreplaceable so the only feasible thing to do is improve the entire squad to cover any deficit he has left behind, that's why I feel alright about our signings.
I'm not sure who this dynamic box to box guy you want is @moron? It's seems to me like a description of Jordan Henderson, one of our best and most important players last season. Now we have another one of those in Lallana, imo Rodgers plan is for those two either side of Gerrard or whoever is playing deepest.
The forward players - Alberto, Aspas and Moses. A couple of foreign nobodies and a lazy fucker that our rivals didn't fancy.
This time around - Lambert, Remy, Markovic, Lallana, Origi. 2 strikers with PL goals and experience, a skilful, 2 footed England international with great stats last season, a promising young guy we don't intend to play until next season and a highly rated young guy.
If we also get Moreno or some half decent left back it'd be the complete opposite of lending that donkey Cissokho.
It's disappointing to lose Suarez but he's irreplaceable so the only feasible thing to do is improve the entire squad to cover any deficit he has left behind, that's why I feel alright about our signings.
I'm not sure who this dynamic box to box guy you want is @moron? It's seems to me like a description of Jordan Henderson, one of our best and most important players last season. Now we have another one of those in Lallana, imo Rodgers plan is for those two either side of Gerrard or whoever is playing deepest.
Really hard to disagree with any of that, Rodgers does seem to have been hypocritical in his 'quality over quantity' comments this summer but there is some time to go so we have to wait and see on that one.
I get and am content with the Lambert and Remy signings but if they along with Markovic/Origi are our only forward signings this summer then it would be a massive load of shit, we are crying out for another wide attacker, a top quality established one as well, if Sanchez wasn't controlled by a woman then we might have got him and it would have been perfect for us considering what has happened, surely not many complaints if we had signed Sanchez, Markovic, Remy, Lambert and Origi, Di Maria is the alternative to Sanchez, it looks like there is a chance Madrid don't want him anymore and need some spending money, if that's the case we should go balls out to get him, why not?
Totally agree with the psychological bit you mention, at the moment its many more questions than answers and a bit of a shrug of the shoulders to most of it, we need a shot in the arm, look what happened when Arsenal signed Ozil and the boost that gave the whole club, they absolutely flew from that momentum and positivity in the first few months.
Sorry but that was never going to be the case. We have lost Suarez and have an extra 10-15 games to play next season with the smallest squad of the Top 7 teams in the country. If we are being realistic then the squad needed to be expanded with good quality in depth .. having Aspas as our bench striker last season shows how bereft we were in certain quarters.
Our targets for next season are to remain in the Top 4, no-one I know of is expecting a title challenge. Some good runs in the cups would be nice and offer the best chance of silverware. To make the last 8 of the CL is my hope too, as this would enhance our reputation for the next Summer's dealings.
Much of our transfer activity was done before or during the World Cup .. before it was known Suarez was on his way ; Lallana, Lambert, Can, Markovic too to a greater extent. Lovren and Moreno were our top defensive targets and we are still battling on that front. So the only player we have added after is was known Suarez was leaving is Remy, who adds strength in deep to our bench, a player France took to the World Cup to back up Benzema, so is a great deal for the money and an excellent fit for our squad.
If we can sign off the Summer with Lovren, Rojo (or another LB) and a powerful CM then this will have been an excellent window with us having done the best we can to both strengthen the squad (and not let's forget the youngsters, now a year older, coming through who will also help in this regard ; Suso, Texeira, Ibe, Rossiter, Peterson, Smith, Ilori) and the first team by virtue of having a stronger team than last year.
He may have found brilliance at Liverpool, but he was more established than any of our signings so far and had displayed considerable talent on the world stage.
We need some proven quality to arrive this summer.
Me also. The squad is shaping up to be a lot stronger than last year but our strongest XI weaker. We are in need of a proven quality attacking signing.
I am not sold on Can so not really sold on our midfield. Davies would have been a good option for a good price at LB cos I'm not really sold on Moreno either. Will be interesting to see what develops but I feel we need to chuck a lot of money at one player.
He was more established with more experience and older too. Yes we need proven talent but the big name signing we are clamouring for may not happen.
There are a few things i've read which are sticking in my craw somewhat and basically they boil down to this:
1. We cant expect to realistically challenge.
2. We cant realistically attract superstars.
Its true you can make arguments to support both of those statements but if they were wholly true then we may as well just pack it in now.
Am I happy with our signings? No, heres why.
NOBODY expected to play as well as we did last season and come second, heck if it weren't for just that little bit of naiivety against Chelsea we may well have won the blessed thing. For me the key last season was the complete determination we showed and the mental strength of knowing that with what we had up front we could always score. We knew we were shit hot and we played like it, instead of letting the pressure of knowing that we didn't have much of a defence we focussed on the positives that is; blazing fucking firepower.
In my mind at least in one fail swoop we've just sold a shit load of goals and double that in determination and team morale. We've sold our swagger.
Why did City win the title? They won because they had the squad chock full of great players and the belief and confidence that comes from having that.
We have been whining on for years that we cant attract the big players because we are outside the CL so whats the first thing we do when we get back in... sell our biggest player...
I find it excrutiating... what the fuck is this committee thinking??
OK, lets just accept Suarez leaving was beyond our control etc and take the money.... fine...
But don't tell me the best you can fucking do Is Loic Remy, sure he might be grand, a flipping bargain even but seeing his name on the teamsheet isnt going to put fear into the hearts of the opposition is it, nor I suspect will he engender the confidence in out own players that It doesnt matter that we might concede because we shit goals at the other end...
Love a duck don't just pad out the squad with "maybe" players...
What's the net spend now?
Chelsea have gone out and bought quality, first 11 quality...
Arsenal yet again have gone out and bought another superstar...
United will do so you can bet on it.
Is our team currently stronger than the one we put out last game of last season? NO.
IMO any of the signings we have made we could have made without being in the CL, which makes me question what the fuck are we signing them,in the first place. The only way to guarantee we stay under foot is to stop being ambitious, there is some hopeful potential in that bunch we've just bought sure enough, and yeah we need a bigger squad, but above all we need better fucking players and IMO so far we've shown sweet fuck all ambition in our signings.
Do what you've gotta do committee, sign Reus... make us dream a little eh...
1. We cant expect to realistically challenge.
2. We cant realistically attract superstars.
Its true you can make arguments to support both of those statements but if they were wholly true then we may as well just pack it in now.
Am I happy with our signings? No, heres why.
NOBODY expected to play as well as we did last season and come second, heck if it weren't for just that little bit of naiivety against Chelsea we may well have won the blessed thing. For me the key last season was the complete determination we showed and the mental strength of knowing that with what we had up front we could always score. We knew we were shit hot and we played like it, instead of letting the pressure of knowing that we didn't have much of a defence we focussed on the positives that is; blazing fucking firepower.
In my mind at least in one fail swoop we've just sold a shit load of goals and double that in determination and team morale. We've sold our swagger.
Why did City win the title? They won because they had the squad chock full of great players and the belief and confidence that comes from having that.
We have been whining on for years that we cant attract the big players because we are outside the CL so whats the first thing we do when we get back in... sell our biggest player...
I find it excrutiating... what the fuck is this committee thinking??
OK, lets just accept Suarez leaving was beyond our control etc and take the money.... fine...
But don't tell me the best you can fucking do Is Loic Remy, sure he might be grand, a flipping bargain even but seeing his name on the teamsheet isnt going to put fear into the hearts of the opposition is it, nor I suspect will he engender the confidence in out own players that It doesnt matter that we might concede because we shit goals at the other end...
Love a duck don't just pad out the squad with "maybe" players...
What's the net spend now?
Chelsea have gone out and bought quality, first 11 quality...
Arsenal yet again have gone out and bought another superstar...
United will do so you can bet on it.
Is our team currently stronger than the one we put out last game of last season? NO.
IMO any of the signings we have made we could have made without being in the CL, which makes me question what the fuck are we signing them,in the first place. The only way to guarantee we stay under foot is to stop being ambitious, there is some hopeful potential in that bunch we've just bought sure enough, and yeah we need a bigger squad, but above all we need better fucking players and IMO so far we've shown sweet fuck all ambition in our signings.
Do what you've gotta do committee, sign Reus... make us dream a little eh...
I'm hoping we sign Lovren, Origi, Remy, a LB, a sub gK.. which will probably take our spending up to 110M. That's the Suarez fee + our usual spend 40M.
Our squad will only then lack that 1 STAR player. (Markovic, Coutinho, Sterling, Sturridge all have the potential to be in the future)
Then comes the task to raise the funds and buy that 1 star player to make the fans happy.. and instill belief. I'd hope we look to sell Agger (10m), Borini (14m), Assaidi (7m) and Reina (5m).. and use that 35M on a marquee signing. I know Reus is mentioned, though I would be equally pleased with Pogba.
Even Isco on loan would be a tremendous coup.
I'm not going to cry about our transfers until we finish spending and the transfer window is shut. By then, we'll have played a month of the league too, and we'll get a better idea about how good our current 1st team is without Luis.
Our squad will only then lack that 1 STAR player. (Markovic, Coutinho, Sterling, Sturridge all have the potential to be in the future)
Then comes the task to raise the funds and buy that 1 star player to make the fans happy.. and instill belief. I'd hope we look to sell Agger (10m), Borini (14m), Assaidi (7m) and Reina (5m).. and use that 35M on a marquee signing. I know Reus is mentioned, though I would be equally pleased with Pogba.
Even Isco on loan would be a tremendous coup.
I'm not going to cry about our transfers until we finish spending and the transfer window is shut. By then, we'll have played a month of the league too, and we'll get a better idea about how good our current 1st team is without Luis.
It's only pointless in as much as the cunts wont read it FF...that means Its not true then does it? OH... yeah.. the 5 or 6 weeks left... so we will be doing our real business later on will we... and wherein did i say we had no option to sell?
You don't know that for sure and neither do I.
Shoot the argument down by all means, a rebuttal would create debate, just calling it a premature rant doesn't mean fuck all really does it...
In answer to the question how do you FEEL about something a rant can be quite expressive I reckon.
Lets flip the question a little, tweek it.
Q. Would you have rather kept Suarez and had a net spend of 20 to 25 M on a decent full back?
Or of course we can move forward on the premise that indeed we had no choice... It's quite clear he agitated enough and anyway he was mental and banned for yonks...yadda yadda yadda...
Why follow the recruitment policy we have? We had 75M sitting in the bank... 75M! AND the holy grail CL to offer...
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
It's the same every summer. A few people lose grip on reality.
I dunno. Last summer was really poor in the transfer market and the frustration builds when you see the same pattern re-emerging. We have lost one of the world's best players. Replacing him with Remy and Lambert and a couple of young'uns won't do. Not to mention the glaring weaknesses at FB. Current rumours notwithstanding (sorry for that word.)
I personally think if we add a proven quality attacking player to the signings we have already made, that's a great summer. If not, it's quite a poor one.
Yes. But it wasn't an option. If you believe it was then you need to read the quotes coming out of the club and the ITKs. So if you accept that (as 99.9999% of the footballing world does) then 50% of your post was written in vain. You would have been better off actually expressing your feelings on the players we've signed.
Though maybe the post made you feel better ? In which case there is indeed a very tenuous link to the thread title.
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