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Post Match - Hull Pussys

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After watching highlights and then the full game yesterday, here's some ratings. I know match summaries don't feel complete until I have provided them.

It's quite tempting to go totally overboard when you watch a game like that, in which there was such a crushing dominance it's hard to highlight the best performers, or examine any deficiencies. There is a slight irritation that we seem incapable of keeping a clean sheet, and perhaps we should have scored a few more, but in all honesty you can't complain when you batter the opposition 5-1 at home. Even if it is "only Hull". This was a marvellous, thrilling display.

Karius (5). Hard to score, given how little he had to do. Rooted to the spot as the opposition scored their customary goal from a set-piece, but otherwise unemployed. No idea how good he is or isn't yet.

Clyne (7) Scurried up and down the wing all afternoon, showing plenty of industry and graft. Not as effective offensively as Milner on the other side, but no shame in that.

Matip (7) Assured and dominant on the floor and in the air, it's very early to make a judgement, but I'm already glad he's playing and Sakho isn't.

Klavan (7) Impressive use of the ball, with one or two splendidly incisive passes. Unruffled, but Hull didn't really show much in attack.

Milner (9) One moment when he looked like a right-footed midfielder playing at left-back. For the rest of the 90 minutes, he was imperious; started several attacks, rarely wasted a pass, beat his man time and again, and scored two penalties. Like watching a cross between Nicol and Finnan. Magnificent

Henderson (8) I wasn't too confident about him as the holding midfielder, but he is performing at an impressive level, and looking very much the part. Controlled the centre well, and then launched several attacks from deep. I like it.

Lallana (9) He gives everything he's got. Selfless running and effort, he gobbled up space and sucked up any time Hull thought they had on the ball, and then he used it brilliantly. His Cruyff turns were making space and a creative weapon, and he was a danger from start to finish. Making goals, scoring goals, on this form he is unstoppable.

Wijnaldum (8) Another game of quietly effective industry, guile and effort. He had a couple of decent attempts at goal, and seemed to be making and effort to be more adventurous and attacking, but he also did a lot of the less glamorous work just ahead of Henderson, linking play well and always offering himself for the pass.

Mane (8) Three goals, three assists, non-stop panic in the opposition. His blazing pace, goals and attacking instincts have been the catalyst for much of our devastating attacking play this season, and he showed off more subtle close control and trickery in this game.

Coutinho (9) He was swapping and switching position with Lallana all game, and the more central position and fluid formation seemed very much to his liking. He carried on from where he left off in the game against Derby, making some brilliant passes and attacking runs, before lashing in another Coutinho special from outside the box. Afforded way too much space by Hull he ran the show at times.

Firmino (7) Not as eye-catching as the likes of Mane and Coutinho, he was still influential and some of his control and passing was lovely. Makes so many good runs to open up space too. More goals would be nice though, he hasn't scored in 5 out of 6 Premiership games and that needs to improve.
 
It was such a good performance that I have start wondering if the gap is builidng in Premier League. Are the League loosing competitivness, and the fact that any team can beat any other team?

I know we lost to Burnley and Manure lost to Watford, but aside that it seem that the "bigger" teams has been more superior than the previous Seasons. I know some teams have their problems (Leicester are not a top 8 team yet despite them winning the League, it takes more consitency and West Ham and Stoke having more trouble than expected for different reasons), but having established a top 6 from the expected top six teams so early in the season must be unusual?
 
It was such a good performance that I have start wondering if the gap is builidng in Premier League. Are the League loosing competitivness, and the fact that any team can beat any other team?

I know we lost to Burnley and Manure lost to Watford, but aside that it seem that the "bigger" teams has been more superior than the previous Seasons. I know some teams have their problems (Leicester are not a top 8 team yet despite them winning the League, it takes more consitency and West Ham and Stoke having more trouble than expected for different reasons), but having established a top 6 from the expected top six teams so early in the season must be unusual?

Too early to say, I think we may have a top 7 now - considering LCFC -up from the original top 4 from a few seasons ago.

Plus in other countries, it's a top 1 (Germany), top 2 (spain), and top 4 (Italy). Then there's France (top 1).

On that evidence I'd say it's still much more competitive.
 
Too early to say, I think we may have a top 7 now - considering LCFC -up from the original top 4 from a few seasons ago.

Plus in other countries, it's a top 1 (Germany), top 2 (spain), and top 4 (Italy). Then there's France (top 1).

On that evidence I'd say it's still much more competitive.

Yeah it is still much more competitive, and given that the "poor" teams in PL are Rich compared to top ten teams in example Italy it possible that the top teams in PL has underperformed compared to what they should have done. But almost every season there are a few unexpected teams mixing into the top Three (Saints, West Ham and Leicester the Three last Seasons?) for large parts of the season. They will find it bloody hard this season the way it looks now.
 
Our marking compared to their marking:





This is actually a "feature" of Hull's defensive play, it was the same under Bruce last year.

The wide players constantly get dragged infield leaving acres of space for the opposition's full-back - the first example with Snodgrass pulling infield and leaving Milner with a free run ahead of him is typical.

They've had a decent start so far (by their standards), but the space they leave out wide is just one of the reasons why they are still a hot favourite for relegation.
 
Dont think Karius should have done anything else for their goal in all honesty
 
Before Saturday, Hull had a better defensive record than Liverpool.

What's your point?

They shipped 4 against Arsenal and 5 against us in the last two PL games. That's the same amount of goals conceded in two games as Liverpool have conceded in all six. They are being found out.

If you look at Hull v Man Utd (if you can be arsed/stomach it, understand if not) - Valencia was left with masses and masses of space all game by Diomande - the reason Utd only won 1-0 was because it took them until mid-way in the second half to start playing it wide (Ibra, Rooney, Mata all queuing up to hit it against each other before Mkhitaryan came on). Compare that to this game, and in the examples above it is Snodgrass et al making the same mistakes - so it isn't an individual player.

Against Arsenal, Iwobi's goal comes from Arsenal exploiting the space first on Hull's right then switching the play to Hull's left - two crosses from either side unchallenged. Their second (Walcott?), acres of space down Hull's left side - not used by Arsenal this time, but it does illustrate just how narrow Hull get caught when defending.

Against Liverpool, handball for the first penalty - Liverpool sprung a counter attack directly into the space on Hull's left (and despite Mane's blistering space, he had more time and space than he should). Mane's goal, Milner plays the ball in to Firmino then stays out wide - marvel as the entirety of Hull's right side saunters into the box, unable to arrest the drift.

Their squad isn't (or shouldn't be) good enough to stay up anyway, but leaving gaping holes for the overlapping run is going to cause them problems, as it already has begun to.
 
Dont think there is a point really.
We have conceded the 10th most goals in the league so far but have the 2nd best goal difference.
After the teams we've played so far, mostly the away games, I'm not to concerned
There has been a positive development regarding our defence but a clean sheet would be nice..
 
Ok - I can't hold it in any longer.....

I was kind of underwhelmed by our second half performance; and I think Klopp has kind of said the same thing in the post-match press conference. Our players did not focus after they had scored the 5th goal. I really wanted them to push on and score another 3-4 goals which I think they could have - it really pissed me off how they just decided to play a restraining game after the 5th goal. After our last successful attempt at the league - we know that having a big goal difference counts !!!
 
Dont think there is a point really.
We have conceded the 10th most goals in the league so far but have the 2nd best goal difference.
After the teams we've played so far, mostly the away games, I'm not to concerned
There has been a positive development regarding our defence but a clean sheet would be nice..

There is a point. You can't concede 50-odd goals and win the title.
 
If we score 100 odd goals then we could. We have, it begs repeating, conceded these goals during an exceptionally difficult run of fixtures, and whilst bedding in a new defence and players in a variety of roles. We will not keep conceding at this rate. We might well keep scoring at a similar rate though.
 
So why the confusion about my concern with the number of goals we concede?
Five out of the nine goals we have conceded were while playing the Lovren/Klavan partnership.
It may be too easy a conclusion to draw but we have looked more defensively solid with Matip in the team
 
Five out of the nine goals we have conceded were while playing the Lovren/Klavan partnership.
It may be too easy a conclusion to draw but we have looked more defensively solid with Matip in the team

Agreed, which was also my point earlier in the thread. There has been a positive development for us defensively since the first two games.
 
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