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Remy vs Borini

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rurikbird

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I think with Lambert, Sturridge and a potential high-profile attacking signing with Suarez money, there is room in the squad for only one more striker. We have agreed the deal for Remy, but will we still push ahead with it if it becomes clear Borini isn't going anywhere? I don't know. But here are some thoughts on the 2 players and our situation.

First of all, based on their respective performances over the last couple of seasons, I think Remy is overall an upgrade on Borini and probably a better fit for the current squad. Remy is a consistent goal-scorer, but can be a bit lazy and average in his teamwork. Borini is a top-class player in terms of movement, work-rate and tactical awareness, but he is average physically and has not been scoring or creating much. Since our current crop of midfielders doesn't have a single goal-scorer like Lampard or younger Gerrard, we need our strikers to score and in theory we can live with a bit of laziness up front because we have plenty of grafters in midfield. Remy is a bit less well-rounded version of Sturridge, so in theory that makes it easier swap one for another, whereas Borini has a completely different style. Plus an instinctive goal-scorer like Remy would be good to bring on as a substitute in addition to Sturridge when we need to find a goal.

However, Borini still has room for improvement, he just turned 23 a couple of months ago and usually that's the age when a player makes a step up in his development. For instance Torres at 23 shot up to a completely different class than he was at 22. Borini's problem, like someone else has recently said, was that while he always found space and chances, he was always a half-step too late, too indecisive, not precise enough in finishing when the chance came. What is he finds that extra "half-step" from somewhere: simply from physical maturity or training or experience? Then he could be someone comparable to someone like Gilardino: physically unremarkable, but dangerous because of his movement and predatory instinct. If he indeed becomes someone like that, I'm sure we would much prefer to have the player than £12 or 14M we would get for him. If Borini could get to the point where he scores at a rate of roughly 1 goal in 2 games, in addition to his movement and graft, he would be overall a better player than Remy.

So my conclusion is, if you look at what happened in the past, Remy is definitely the better option. If you try to look into the future and try to be optimistic about Borini's development, it could be in the end a good thing if Borini insists on staying and proving his worth. Henderson was in a similar position last season and we are all happy we didn't sell him then for what now seems like a pittance.
 
Like I said in the other thread Rurik .. Remy is done, there is no way the club is going back on it.

The only question now is how is Borini going to handle the situation, if he couldn't get in the squad last season there is even less chance this with Lambert & now Remy having been signed. So, does he leave of his own volition or will he need pushing. The only door that has opened here is the one for Roma to step in and try and snap Fabio up at a lower price.
 
If Fabio stays, he'll get games. He can play wide, or as a striker.

I still think he's got the potential to be like kuyt for us
 
Aspas got 15 appearances last season somehow. Moses got 22.:eek:

We have more games this season. I would like four strikers.
 
There really isn't. If he stays, he'll play. We're gonna be playing a lot more games this season ideally, so we need players who can give their all in each match.

I think it's a bit silly to get rid of a versatile player with youth and workrate on his side.
 
There really isn't. If he stays, he'll play. We're gonna be playing a lot more games this season ideally, so we need players who can give their all in each match.

I think it's a bit silly to get rid of a versatile player with youth and workrate on his side.

Not if someone is offering 14 m for him! I like him but he isn't worth that, and he's never going to be close to prolific.
 
Not if someone is offering 14 m for him! I like him but he isn't worth that, and he's never going to be close to prolific.
And I'd agree

But no one else is gonna offer that, and he's knocked it back. I'd rather keep him if the best we'd get at a club he wants is 6m
 
Remy is in Boston already isnt he? That deal will get done regardless

If we sign one more quality attacker Borini will find it difficult to get into the matchday squad.
Still think he'll leave
 
I don't trust Remy, he could easily offer nothing in the games he plays and cost us points. Take a look at Aspas, absolute shit, but at least by working hard he allowed other players the freedom to get 1-0 wins. Borini is similar, even though he is shit, nowhere near as shit as Aspas of course, but the way he plays can help the team grind out wins.

The way Remy plays, we're not grinding out a fucking thing. He needs to score goals for us or else the opposition will laugh at the lazy cunt and double up on Sterling. Then we're fucked.
 
The problem I have with Borini is that whilst he is a willing runner / worker, his lack of ability lets him down when he actually does get the ball. I'm not quite sure how the comparison with Torres, an exceptional talent who had far more in his locker, works other than using age as a marker.

I don't see where the improvement is going to come from for Borini. If we put aside the question of ability for a moment, this is a player that is only going to kick on if he's played consistently and made to feel like hot shit rather than playing in a team he looks unsuited to and a manager that for the second summer running is quite happy to see the back of him.

Henderson managed to convince Rodgers he was worth persevering with but then he had a position in the side to make his own. Borini is up against players who are faster, better on all the ball... hell just better all round.

It'd be great for us if he went to Sunderland given the money they're offering but if I was him I'd be looking for a move abroad where perhaps you get a bit more time and space.
 
Remy fits into the mould when it comes to Rodger's philosophy particularly due to his pace.
He can get behind defences and leave players for dead, which is great for both counter attacks and when you need that burst of pace for the one-two's and through balls in or around the penalty area.
Borini's slower, a poorer finisher, indecisive, and can't trap the ball very well. He's certainly got the attitude and work rate on his side but I'd take a front three of Remy, Sturridge and Sterling, or replace any of the wide guys with Lallana, Coutinho and Markovic, any day of the week than one that includes Borini in the mix.

14m is way too good not to accept. If he's going to truly blossom and turn into the predator suggested in the OP, then sell hi for 12m with a buy-back clause in there. Can't see it happening though.
 
Would have been quite happy for him to stay and given a chance in the lower profile games if Suarez was still here, now that we have to fill that Suarez sized hole we have to get in some real quality, taking that 14m and running is a no brainer, its too good to turn down and can be put towards getting in that real quality.
 
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