Signings Rogers got right...
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Not supporting BR on this issue, and I'm stating the obvious, but TBF none of Lovren, Moreno and Manquillo were here last season !
Phil Thompson Scouting Report on turning down £4 million deal for a young Christano Ronaldo
'Great ability.. but I think we will pass as he looks too lightweight for the premiership..'
Blert..
Unbelievable, parry was such a do nothing.
25 signings so far. Jury out on a lot of those, and some are patently utter shite.
Yeah, makes you wonder why most were given the thumbs up initially on here.
Not an exact science is it.
Are you taking the piss? Do you mean Ronaldo?
Si Senor, that's what the kids call him. Can you handle that abbreviation. Or will we add it to your list of volcanic triggers....
you know we had him in our palm...
Rafa and Houllier made some utter shite signings aswell, let's not pretend it's exclusive to Rodgers. The key is buying "that" player at the right time, recognising someone that can be a catalyst to getting everyone working back in tandem. In fact, Rafa took years to replace the only truly "class" striker we had when he arrived (Owen, whom he never even got the chance to work with). Kenny lost Torres, Rodgers has lost Suarez. We've looked pretty inept at any other time over the last decade or so when we haven't have one of them. Temporarily Rodgers has lost two players of that caliber, it'll take time to get back on our feet, but we still have a very strong squad. We all know his deficiencies that he needs to sort out, but he deserves the time to sort it. He hasn't come in with 5yr plans and all that shit, he's come in, turned us round and had us challenging in our second season.
It's amazing when you're winning, people class some fringe players as full of promise, etc. As soon as the results go against you, the fringe players are failures, big name players have carried you, the manager's "got lucky", whatever.
It's amazing when you're winning, people class some fringe players as full of promise, etc. As soon as the results go against you, the fringe players are failures, big name players have carried you, the manager's "got lucky", whatever.
I'd say Rafa and Houllier were probably 50/50 with the signings, or not far from it.
Brodge has got about 2 or 3 right out of 25.
I know you're exaggerating with the 2 or 3, but that bad?
On the whole I feel that we're signing a better class of player these days. The problem is we don't quite know whether we've quite got it right yet because so many are young.
Have a look at the list and the spend, there's not much you could hang your hat on there:
Fabio Borini Wrong £10,400,000 13 July 2012
Joe Allen Right £15,000,000 10 August 2012
Oussama Assaidi Horribly Wrong £3,000,000 17 August 2012
Nuri Şahin Horribly Wrong On Loan 25 August 2012
Samed Yesil Jury out £1,000,000 30 August 2012
Daniel Sturridge Right £12,000,000 2 January 2013
Philippe Coutinho Right £8,500,000 30 January 2013
João Carlos Teixeira Jury out £830,000 31 January 2013
Luis Alberto Horribly wrong £6,800,000 22 June 2013
Iago Aspas Horribly wrong £7,000,000 23 June 2013
Simon Mignolet Jury out £9,000,000 25 June 2013
Kolo Touré Right Free 2 July 2013
Aly Cissokho Horribly wrong On Loan * 20 August 2013
Mamadou Sakho Horribly wrong £15,000,000 2 September 2013
Tiago Ilori Jurt out £7,000,000 2 September 2013
Victor Moses Horribly wrong On Loan * 2 September 2013
Rickie Lambert Horribly wrong £4,500,000 2 June 2014
Adam Lallana Jury out £25,000,000 * 1 July 2014
Emre Can Right £9,750,000 3 July 2014
Lazar Markovic jury out £19,800,000 15 July 2014
Dejan Lovren jury out £20,000,000 * 27 July 2014
Divick Origi jury out £9,800,000 * 29 July 2014
Javier Manquillo jury out On Loan 6 August 2014
Alberto Moreno jury out £12,000,000 * 16 August 2014
Mario Balotelli Horribly wrong £16,000,000 25 August 2014
Being a pedant here, but that's 10 out of 25 wrong (some are open to debate), the jury is still out on some players who've performed well and we know have alot more in them - Manquillo, Moreno, Lallana. It's too early to say with the likes of Lovren and Markovic. I've heard you (Ryan) big up Lovren, Lallana, Borini and even Alberto (to a lesser degree) at some point. It's far too early to say with many of them. I think the most obvious failures are Aspas, the three loanees - Cissokho, Moses and Şahin, and of course Balotelli (who has yet to play alongside Sturridge). There's too many ifs and buts to decided either way.
His record is sketchy yeah, but there are alot of young players in there with time on their side.
This is Rafa's list:
PlayerFromFeeDate
Josemi Malaga £2,000,000 26 July 2004
Antonio Nunez Real Madrid £1,500,000 17 August 2004
Xabi Alonso Real Sociedad £10,700,000 20 August 2004
Luis Garcia Barcelona £6,000,000 20 August 2004
Mauricio Pellegrino Valencia Free 5 January 2005
Fernando Morientes Real Madrid £6,300,000 13 January 2005
Scott Carson Leeds £1,000,000 21 January 2005
Boudewijn Zenden Free Transfer Free 4 July 2005
Pepe Reina Villarreal £6,000,000 4 July 2005
Antonio Barragan Sevilla £240,000 4 July 2005
Momo Sissoko Valencia £5,600,000 14 July 2005
Peter Crouch Southampton £7,000,000 20 July 2005
Miki Roque Lleidav Unknown 15 August 2005
Jack Hobbs Lincoln £150,000 18 August 2005
Besian Idrizaj LASK Linz £190,000 22 August 2005
Mark Gonzalez Albacete £1,500,000 20 October 2005
Paul Anderson Hull Swap 1 January 2006
Jan Kromkamp Villarreal Swap 4 January 2006
David Martin MK Dons £250,000 12 January 2006
Daniel Agger Brondby £5,800,000 12 January 2006
Robbie Fowler Man City Free 27 January 2006
Craig Bellamy Blackburn £6,000,000 1 July 2006
Gabriel Paletta Banfield £2,000,000 4 July 2006
Fabio Aurelio Valencia Free 5 July 2006
Jermaine Pennant Birmingham £6,700,000 26 July 2006
Dirk Kuyt Feyenoord £9,000,000 18 August 2006
Nabil El Zhar St Etienne £200,000 21 August 2006
Astrit Ajdarevic Falkenberg £750,000 11 January 2007
Daniele Padelli Sampdoria Loan 12 January 2007
Jordy Brouwer Ajax Undisclosed 24 January 2007
Francisco Manuel Duran Malaga £66,000 30 January 2007
Alvaro Arbeloa Deportivo £2,500,000 31 January 2007
Javier Mascherano West Ham Loan 20 February 2007
Lucas Gremio £5,000,000 11 May 2007
Krisztian Nemeth MTK Hungaria Undisclosed 25 May 2007
Mikel San Jose Athletic Bilbao £270,000 28 June 2007
Sebastian Leto Lanús £1,800,000 1 July 2007
Fernando Torres Atletico Madrid £20,200,000 4 July 2007
Andriy Voronin Leverkusen Free 6 July 2007
Yossi Benayoun West Ham £5,000,000 12 July 2007
Ryan Babel Ajax £11,500,000 13 July 2007
Charles Itandje Lens Undisclosed 9 August 2007
Emiliano Insua Boca Juniors £1,300,000 26 August 2007
Lauri Dalla Valle JIPPO £600,000 8 November 2007
Martin Skrtel Zenit St Petersburg £6,500,000 11 January 2008
Javier Mascherano Media Sports Investment £18,600,000 29 February 2008
Philipp Degen Borussia Dortmund Free 3 July 2008
Andrea Dossena Udinese £7,000,000 4 July 2008
Diego Cavalieri Palmeiras £3,500,000 11 July 2008
David N'Gog Paris St Germain £1,500,000 24 July 2008
Robbie Keane Tottenham £19,000,000 28 July 2008
Albert Riera Espanyol £8,000,000 31 August 2008
Glen Johnson Portsmouth £17,500,000 26 June 2009
Alberto Aquilani Roma £17,100,000 7 August 2009
Sotirios Kyrgiakos AEK Athens £2,000,000 21 August 2009
Daniel Ayala Sevilla £160,000 17 September 2009
Maxi Rodriguez Atletico Madrid Free 12 January 2010
Raheem Sterling Queens Park Rangers £600,000 27 February 2010
Jonjo Shelvey Charlton £1,700,000 10 May 2010
Milan Jovanovic Standard Liege Free 8 July 2010
His record is sketchy yeah, but there are alot of young players in there with time on their side.
This is Rafa's list:
PlayerFromFeeDate
Josemi Malaga £2,000,000 26 July 2004
Antonio Nunez Real Madrid £1,500,000 17 August 2004
Xabi Alonso Real Sociedad £10,700,000 20 August 2004
Luis Garcia Barcelona £6,000,000 20 August 2004
Mauricio Pellegrino Valencia Free 5 January 2005
Fernando Morientes Real Madrid £6,300,000 13 January 2005
Scott Carson Leeds £1,000,000 21 January 2005
Boudewijn Zenden Free Transfer Free 4 July 2005
Pepe Reina Villarreal £6,000,000 4 July 2005
Antonio Barragan Sevilla £240,000 4 July 2005
Momo Sissoko Valencia £5,600,000 14 July 2005
Peter Crouch Southampton £7,000,000 20 July 2005
Miki Roque Lleidav Unknown 15 August 2005
Jack Hobbs Lincoln £150,000 18 August 2005
Besian Idrizaj LASK Linz £190,000 22 August 2005
Mark Gonzalez Albacete £1,500,000 20 October 2005
Paul Anderson Hull Swap 1 January 2006
Jan Kromkamp Villarreal Swap 4 January 2006
David Martin MK Dons £250,000 12 January 2006
Daniel Agger Brondby £5,800,000 12 January 2006
Robbie Fowler Man City Free 27 January 2006
Craig Bellamy Blackburn £6,000,000 1 July 2006
Gabriel Paletta Banfield £2,000,000 4 July 2006
Fabio Aurelio Valencia Free 5 July 2006
Jermaine Pennant Birmingham £6,700,000 26 July 2006
Dirk Kuyt Feyenoord £9,000,000 18 August 2006
Nabil El Zhar St Etienne £200,000 21 August 2006
Astrit Ajdarevic Falkenberg £750,000 11 January 2007
Daniele Padelli Sampdoria Loan 12 January 2007
Jordy Brouwer Ajax Undisclosed 24 January 2007
Francisco Manuel Duran Malaga £66,000 30 January 2007
Alvaro Arbeloa Deportivo £2,500,000 31 January 2007
Javier Mascherano West Ham Loan 20 February 2007
Lucas Gremio £5,000,000 11 May 2007
Krisztian Nemeth MTK Hungaria Undisclosed 25 May 2007
Mikel San Jose Athletic Bilbao £270,000 28 June 2007
Sebastian Leto Lanús £1,800,000 1 July 2007
Fernando Torres Atletico Madrid £20,200,000 4 July 2007
Andriy Voronin Leverkusen Free 6 July 2007
Yossi Benayoun West Ham £5,000,000 12 July 2007
Ryan Babel Ajax £11,500,000 13 July 2007
Charles Itandje Lens Undisclosed 9 August 2007
Emiliano Insua Boca Juniors £1,300,000 26 August 2007
Lauri Dalla Valle JIPPO £600,000 8 November 2007
Martin Skrtel Zenit St Petersburg £6,500,000 11 January 2008
Javier Mascherano Media Sports Investment £18,600,000 29 February 2008
Philipp Degen Borussia Dortmund Free 3 July 2008
Andrea Dossena Udinese £7,000,000 4 July 2008
Diego Cavalieri Palmeiras £3,500,000 11 July 2008
David N'Gog Paris St Germain £1,500,000 24 July 2008
Robbie Keane Tottenham £19,000,000 28 July 2008
Albert Riera Espanyol £8,000,000 31 August 2008
Glen Johnson Portsmouth £17,500,000 26 June 2009
Alberto Aquilani Roma £17,100,000 7 August 2009
Sotirios Kyrgiakos AEK Athens £2,000,000 21 August 2009
Daniel Ayala Sevilla £160,000 17 September 2009
Maxi Rodriguez Atletico Madrid Free 12 January 2010
Raheem Sterling Queens Park Rangers £600,000 27 February 2010
Jonjo Shelvey Charlton £1,700,000 10 May 2010
Milan Jovanovic Standard Liege Free 8 July 2010
I know what you mean in a way. Sturridge aside, there isn't really anyone that at this point in time you can say was a home run without any arguments.
Rodgers has spent a lot of money but a lot of it has gone on young potential: Coutinho, Alberto, Moreno, Manquillo, Can, Origi, Markovic (I've left out Illori because we more or less know that wasn't really his buy). For the most part we probably won't be able to judge that lot for at least another 6 months or so.
More worryingly it's the players that he's bought for the here and now that have gone wrong. Lovren has thus far looked to be a disaster (though it is early days), Sakho he doesn't seem to like, Ming doesn't look up to the job and 40M on Lallana and Allen is increasingly looking like luxury we couldn't really afford. And then there is Balotelli.
I counted 18 good signings from 59 for Rafa. Thats fucking shocking.
14 from 40 for Houllier.
I'd say Rodgers isnt any worse then either of them. At least when you consider the talent we've bought now that we cant judge for a while as Keni says.
The depressing thing is that we've pissed away so much money on very average players.
14 from 40 for Houllier.
I'd say Rodgers isnt any worse then either of them. At least when you consider the talent we've bought now that we cant judge for a while as Keni says.
The depressing thing is that we've pissed away so much money on very average players.
If we are looking only at defenders and defensive midfielders.....Rafa's succes rate is quite high....he brought in some great players at ridiculously low value.
Xabi
Masher
pepe
Agger
Skittles
Arbeloa
Paletta wasnt good for us...but he is great elsewhere now.
Even Sissoko had his moments
He was in for Vidic and Alves as well....
Oh yeah....he knew how to recruit in that part of the pitch alright.
Xabi
Masher
pepe
Agger
Skittles
Arbeloa
Paletta wasnt good for us...but he is great elsewhere now.
Even Sissoko had his moments
He was in for Vidic and Alves as well....
Oh yeah....he knew how to recruit in that part of the pitch alright.
He also bought Johnson, Kromkamp, Degen, Dossena, Pellegrino, Josemi etc.
I buy stuff in my day to day life and find out later that a lot of it I either didn't need or want or was useless anyway even if her indoors says it was a bargain (whatever one of those is) so I reckon Brendan's hitting about the same level. Half ok, half shite.
Live with it, it's football transfers! and anyway most of the time most of the posters on here give the thumbs up to the transfer initially.
Feckin' wannabe Managers...
Live with it, it's football transfers! and anyway most of the time most of the posters on here give the thumbs up to the transfer initially.
Feckin' wannabe Managers...
Paradoxically it was because he tried to make himself indispensable by having a finger in every pie. He wasn't lazy - quite the opposite in fact - but when he came to LFC he came into an environment which didn't suit him, and spent lots of time and effort achieving sod all.
Josemi, Pelle, Aurelio, Degen were free....Johnson was hardly a dud. Yes we overpaid ....but it was a deal forced on is by Portsmouths financial situation.
With Rafa...you get yhe feeling if he was given 100 million to get the defense right, he would get it spot on.
Josemi cost 2 mill. Degen played a few games and had a sign on fee and 40k a week.
I'm not so sure about that. Tactically he'd set us up right. Buying the right players? 18 from 59 suggests otherwise.
I will never accept anyone being called CR7, Arod, RPatz, Glenjo, Brangelina or any other wank acronym or nickname. They are, to me, the height of shitness and symptomatic of us failing 'the kids' by not giving them a fucking good, hard cuff around the ear for starting this bullshit up in the first place. You can also add every young guy walking around with his underpants on show. No one wants to see your fucking kecks you little cunt.
I'm in stiches here. (PS that term was frowned by parents in 1923).
I think CR7 is actually a good moniker. Makes me feel like he's a Star Wars character.
It's fucking inane. I hate it. I hate it more that some cunts actually use it.
I hate shit signings whether they are free or cost 1 million or 15 million.
The problem with shit signings is that we dont look at the opportunity cost. For example, a common argument used to defend Rafa against the Keane transfer is that we got back 75% of the transfer fee from Spurs. So it is not as bad as it was made out to be. No the true cost of the Keane transfer was number 19. A quality 20 million attacker would have potentially won us the title that season.
It amazes me whenever I listen to interviews with Rafa, Rodgers, Houllier - they are all about the system, how they spend countless hours studying weakness in other teams, prepare DVDs, individualized instructions for players to deal with threats, tweak the system, blah blah, all complicated stuff. And impressive too, I may add. And then they go out and spend 15-20 million on strikers who patently do not fit their system and pretty much obvious from day one. It is something I will never understand. I know it is not an exact science but we can do better on the transfer front.
From here on in, only refer to me as LNY11*be-bop. (make sure and pronounce the * as star. K?)
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