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Sterling to Man City.. Maybe Arsenal..

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Raheem Sterling is not the finished article at Liverpool

Raheem Sterling's contract wrangle with Liverpool has provided an unwelcome sideshow as they pursue a top-four place to return to the Champions League next season and manager Brendan Rodgers targets his first trophy in the FA Cup.
Now, in an exclusive interview with BBC Sport, the 20-year-old has confirmed all contract talks are off the table until the summer, increasing speculation his future may lie away from Anfield.
So is Sterling worth all the fuss and the figures of £180,000 a week that are currently swirling around - and how much would Liverpool miss him if he left?

Just how good is Raheem Sterling?
Sterling is very good with the potential to be outstanding - but is nowhere near the finished article. He remains a work in progress in the manner of any 20-year-old with a career almost in its infancy.
He is blessed with natural pace that makes even the best defences and defenders take a step back, allied to a talent that plays on the opposition's nerves.
The perfect example was the brilliant individual goal he scored against Chelsea to earn Liverpool a 1-1 draw in the Capital One Cup semi-final at Anfield in January, taking a pass from Jordan Henderson, leaving Nemanja Matic for dead and making Gary Cahill look like he had weights attached to his boots before beating Thibaut Courtois in front of The Kop.
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This was Sterling at his best but his finishing is still not his strong point and he has struggled at times this season to reproduce the brilliance he showed alongside Luis Suarez and Daniel Sturridge when Liverpool almost claimed their first title in 24 years last season.
Sterling may develop into a natural finisher in time but he is nowhere near that as yet. He is still more of a creative force than a player who delivers the end product with regularity and reliability.
He remains an integral part of England's present and future under manager Roy Hodgson, with his adaptability and ability to play wide, at the tip of a midfield diamond and centrally, offering flexibility.
But he is still not England's "go to" man, which is understandable at this early stage of his career. He is not yet a player England cannot afford to be without.
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Raheem Sterling scored his first senior goal for England in the 4-0 win against Lithuania on Friday
Sterling will undoubtedly have been noticed on the world stage, but he has not captured the imagination completely. He will be recognised as a fine talent and a potential star of the future - but the key word is "potential".
There is no way he can be bracketed among the game's elite stars and he is blameless for that. This is a young man making his way in the game, which has also added to the conjecture, and in some areas disapproval, about the contract numbers being played out.

How much would Liverpool miss Sterling if he left?
Liverpool still remain hopeful Sterling will stay and if he does he will be a prime asset for however long he remains at Anfield - but the clocks would not stop and the foundations on the new stand would not shift if he left.
The departure of Luis Suarez, who had moved into the top three group of world stars alongside Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo when he moved to Barcelona in a £75m deal, was far more damaging simply because of the scale of his talent, his intensity which was the stuff of manager Rodgers' dreams and his ability to strike instant fear into opposing teams and fans.
And when captain Steven Gerrard leaves for LA Galaxy, it signals the departure of the man plenty regard as the greatest player to wear Liverpool's shirt, someone who drove the team and the club in hours of need sometimes by sheer force of personality.
Sterling would not fall into that category as a departure. Of course it would be a blow but Liverpool would be well rewarded and he could not be regarded as irreplaceable.
Suarez and Gerrard were players to build a team around. Sterling has not had time to reach that sort of stature. It may happen in the future but if he were to leave now it would be a setback, but not a mortal one.
Liverpool have youngsters such as Jordon Ibe coming through as well as a manager in Rodgers set on developing talent through their Academy so while there would be disappointment, they would recover.

Where could Sterling go?
There will be interest but do not rule out Liverpool owner John W Henry taking the same hard line he adopted when Luis Suarez tried to force a move in the summer of 2013.
He simply refused to do business, especially with Arsenal, and only sold at a time of his choosing and after Suarez had made it virtually impossible for him to return to the Premier League after biting Italy's Giorgio Chiellini at the World Cup.
Henry will be even more reluctant to do business with teams in the Premier League, especially those he regards as rivals. Liverpool do not need money so there will be no financial pressure to sell. Sterling also has two years left on his contract so it is not as if it the paper it is written on is burning down before Liverpool's eyes, or indeed the player's.
Manchester City will look to rebuild this summer and would cast an eye in Sterling's direction but the money involved would be eye-watering even for them - and the same would apply to the likes of Manchester United, Arsenal and Chelsea.
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Raheem Sterling has had 27 shots on target this season
City manager Manuel Pellegrini said recently: "Can you get Sterling? Maybe if you go to Liverpool with £100m you can."
This leaves the usual suspect. Real Madrid.
They could afford a deal and, in Liverpool's terms, Sterling would be out of the way in Spain rather than on the doorstep in the Premier League. It is certain the idea would appeal to Sterling and his representatives should he decide he does not wish to stay at Anfield.

Could he replace Gareth Bale at Real Madrid?
Technically yes - but all the noises coming out of the Bernabeu from the club and the player suggest he will stay although everyone knows how quickly the scenery can shift at Real Madrid.
The more pertinent question is whether Real would believe Sterling is good enough and has the sort of profile they invariably require for a signing who would cost "Galactico" money?
In real terms he is only taking the first footsteps in his career. He is a name that would intrigue rather than excite Real's fans.
He is no Cristiano Ronaldo (nor should he be at this stage of his development) or has he had the sort of season Bale had behind him at Tottenham when he moved to Spain for £85m in summer 2013, when he scored 21 goals in 33 Premier League games, with four assists.
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Gareth Bale moved from Tottenham Hotspur to Real Madrid for a world transfer record £85m in 2013
And would such a move be right for him at just 20, leaving a club where he will be carefully nurtured by a manager in Rodgers who loves the challenge of moulding young players?
Rodgers can offer the sort of sympathy he might not be afforded in a hothouse such as The Bernabeu, even allowing Sterling a short break in Jamaica this season to recharge his batteries.
Will Real feel he is ready for them? And is it wise for Sterling to move to a club where players can be swallowed up by expectations that demand success yesterday?
Sterling still has more to do to make him seem like a neat fit for Real.

Will Liverpool fans turn on Sterling?
Liverpool's fans are notoriously loyal to their own but there is no doubt Sterling risks tampering with that loyalty and affection the longer a new contract lies unsigned.
It was noticeable in the home defeat against Manchester United that - amid a poor team performance it should be stressed - there was more than the usual level of discontent and murmuring when Sterling erred.
Sterling has not been in Liverpool's first team long enough to have won the hearts of supporters in the manner of Gerrard, Suarez, Jamie Carragher of even Fernando Torres in his glorious golden period. He is liked but not loved.
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And the sense from most Liverpool fans is that while they would be delighted he if he stayed, you do not uncover many who would shed tears if he left. Some may even feel that if £100,000 is not enough to persuade him to stay, then he should be swiftly shifted out. The timing of this continued speculation is not working in his favour with supporters who may, despite Sterling's insistence money is not a motive, start to believe he and his representative are overplaying their financial hand. It takes a lot for Liverpool supporters to turn on their players and it would be major shock if there was an open show of discontent aimed at one player. It does not usually work like that at Anfield - but for Sterling's sake his games at Anfield will be a lot more comfortable if he excelled between now and the end of the season.


Is money Sterling's motive?
Sterling insists again in his BBC interview that it is not - therefore he must be taken at his word. So what is the delay? Is it the timing at such a late stage of the season? He admits if it had been offered earlier he would have signed. Does he want Champions League football? Well he had that earlier in the season and played his part in Liverpool's downfall at the group stage. It is in his power to help deliver it again next season for Liverpool.
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Is he worried about a lack of trophies? Possibly, but Liverpool are in the process of building a vibrant young squad and this smacks of over-impatience from a 20-year-old.
Does he merit £150,000-a-week or more? Each to their own bargaining power, but you are not talking about a player who is a world name or someone who can be bracketed with the likes of Wayne Rooney at Manchester United?
All will be revealed at the end of the season - until then the speculation will continue.

Good article from the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32147641
 
There's a bit of disgruntled revisionism going on in here...

Sterling is a super fucking footballer. Let's not start prettying up his possible departure with some derisory, half-baked nonsense about him not being that fucking special/we've lost better/let him go to arsenal/Ibe's a better talent shite.

He's 20 years of age, and has played over 100 games for us already.
15 games for England, and was by a distance their best player at last year's World Cup, where he frankly took the fucking piss.
He's our top scorer
Can play in any of 4 positions across the front, and play them well.
And has likely 10 odd years of top level football ahead of him.

He'll play 100 times for England
He's one of the best young players in the game
And he's already a super fucking talent.

Let's not get all mincey about him now cos he's negotiating the best deal for himself. Didn't Gerrard do the same? Carragher? Roy Keane? Ferguson? Rooney?

Everyone does it, so get used to it. If we've aspirations of being one of Europe's best club that keeps its best players then we don't let kids like this leave.


I agree with all of that, but I'll still say that that interview yesterday, and the timing of it, was a shitty way of going about getting the best deal for himself.
 
Paul Scholes, The Independent: All is perfect for Sterling at Liverpool, why leave?

Manchester United legend Paul Scholes has advised Sterling to stay at Liverpool - saying that the attacker has been "nurtured" by Brendan Rodgers and the club.

He says: "When it comes to his future, my view is that Raheem Sterling should stay at Liverpool. They have elevated him from the junior sides and he has a manager who has built a team around him. He plays every week. What more do you need at that age?

"Sterling is a good player. He can beat a man and on his day he looks impressive. But he doesn’t score enough goals, not yet anyway.

"You have to be careful when you time a move to one of the biggest clubs. Occasionally, these young players do not realise what a good thing they are on to when they know that they will be playing every week."
 
He is potentially a very good player, but he has stalled this season - probably because he is too busy thinking about how much cash he can get.

100K for a 20 yr old is plenty, anything above that should be incentive based. If he doesn't like it then it is clear that he is interested only in money especially if he goes to Arsenal.

He has fucked this up big time.
 
There's absolutely nothing wrong about trying to get the best deal for you or your client. That's just common sense. But no one's complaining about that. Here we have an agent who, right from the very start, has tried to dictate management policy to suit his client. When he decided Sterling was ready for a first team place, he planted a mass of stories about London clubs being set to sign him and generally did his best to hurry the club up. For me, certainly at the age Sterling was, that was a case of an agent going too far. But he's got worse and worse since them, and now he's turned what could have been very straightforward private negotiations into a very bitter public battle, and he's playing Sterling like a puppet. This isn't just about money, it's also about getting Rodgers to agree to play a player where he thinks he needs to, and only then it's reliant on the ten other players in the team doing enough to get his client into the Champions League. The fact that he's using Arsenal as a bargaining chip suggests he's not as smart as he clearly thinks he is, but he's a poisonous parasite - don't forget, he's using this is the financial means to set up his own agency - and he's in danger of undermining a promising career in the process.
 
What I hope Rodgers does, privately, is to say to Sterling: 'Don't forget, we win or lose as a team. If we don't do as well as we all wanted to, that's as much down to you as it is the other ten players. This is Liverpool Football Club. It's not Sterling + ten also-rans. So if you want to be in the champions league, work with the rest to get us there'. Then he should punch him in the face.
 
Have we any rules in place to stop Sterling doing interviews like that? Is it a case of free speech and he can chat to the BBC or who ever he likes yeah?
 
Yes. They can fine him if they deem he's damaged the club's reputation or said something offensive, but otherwise he can talk to anyone he likes (apart from the obvious rag).
 
What I hope Rodgers does, privately, is to say to Sterling: 'Don't forget, we win or lose as a team. If we don't do as well as we all wanted to, that's as much down to you as it is the other ten players. This is Liverpool Football Club. It's not Sterling + ten also-rans. So if you want to be in the champions league, work with the rest to get us there'. Then he should punch him in the face.


Should also remind him that we actually were in the Champions League this season, and that he ( Sterling) was part of the group that fucked it up.
 
I wonder at what point will the agent realise that he may have fucked his moment in the spotlight?

Did he really think a naive 20 year old was going to do himself justice in a 30 minute interview?

I suppose before going any further, from the outset I said 5 years at 120k was what I'd offer. Another 20k doesn't change it for me, I'm just just a lot less enthusiastic about it.

But what does make me much more reticent about it is the point Oncy makes, the attitude where people think they deserve trophies. It's the same attitude Owen and Torres took - a losers attitude. And while Torres got a medal or two, both were pretty much finished partly because of that attitude.

I want players with the same attitude as JJ Watt - as per his quote 'success isn't owned , it's leased. And rent is due every day.'

Sterling has the talent, what we don't know is whether he has the mentality to a top player. But that attitude is a big red flag for me.
 
What programme was it on, or was it just a special BBC exclusive?
It wasn't on any programme I'm aware of, just an interview.

I assume there's stricter rules about them taking part in a TV show or interview than an online interview or I imagine the beeb would have milked it further.
 
It wasn't on any programme I'm aware of, just an interview.

I assume there's stricter rules about them taking part in a TV show or interview than an online interview or I imagine the beeb would have milked it further.


So was this just some interview that BBC decided to randomly stick into the middle of its schedule at 5pm yesterday
 
I wonder at what point will the agent realise that he may have fucked his moment in the spotlight?

Did he really think a naive 20 year old was going to do himself justice in a 30 minute interview?

I suppose before going any further, from the outset I said 5 years at 120k was what I'd offer. Another 20k doesn't change it for me, I'm just just a lot less enthusiastic about it.

But what does make me much more reticent about it is the point Oncy makes, the attitude where people think they deserve trophies. It's the same attitude Owen and Torres took - a losers attitude. And while Torres got a medal or two, both were pretty much finished partly because of that attitude.

I want players with the same attitude as JJ Watt - as per his quote 'success isn't owned , it's leased. And rent is due every day.'

Sterling has the talent, what we don't know is whether he has the mentality to a top player. But that attitude is a big red flag for me.


Top post Ross, between this and his body language at times when playing RWB over the last few weeks, massive question marks have been raised about his attitude. He has all the talent in the world, but without the right attitude, he'll never make it to be one of the best in the world, which he so easily could be. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in his meeting with Rodgers when he gets back to Melwood.
 
There's a bit of disgruntled revisionism going on in here...

Sterling is a super fucking footballer. Let's not start prettying up his possible departure with some derisory, half-baked nonsense about him not being that fucking special/we've lost better/let him go to arsenal/Ibe's a better talent shite.

He's 20 years of age, and has played over 100 games for us already.
15 games for England, and was by a distance their best player at last year's World Cup, where he frankly took the fucking piss.
He's our top scorer
Can play in any of 4 positions across the front, and play them well.
And has likely 10 odd years of top level football ahead of him.

He'll play 100 times for England
He's one of the best young players in the game
And he's already a super fucking talent.

Let's not get all mincey about him now cos he's negotiating the best deal for himself. Didn't Gerrard do the same? Carragher? Roy Keane? Ferguson? Rooney?

Everyone does it, so get used to it. If we've aspirations of being one of Europe's best club that keeps its best players then we don't let kids like this leave.

You do know he's been offered almost 3 times his current wage???
 
I wonder at what point will the agent realise that he may have fucked his moment in the spotlight?

Did he really think a naive 20 year old was going to do himself justice in a 30 minute interview?

I suppose before going any further, from the outset I said 5 years at 120k was what I'd offer. Another 20k doesn't change it for me, I'm just just a lot less enthusiastic about it.

But what does make me much more reticent about it is the point Oncy makes, the attitude where people think they deserve trophies. It's the same attitude Owen and Torres took - a losers attitude. And while Torres got a medal or two, both were pretty much finished partly because of that attitude.

I want players with the same attitude as JJ Watt - as per his quote 'success isn't owned , it's leased. And rent is due every day.'

Sterling has the talent, what we don't know is whether he has the mentality to a top player. But that attitude is a big red flag for me.

Great quote that - and if that's what makes him a fucking monster of a player year after fucking year.
 
Playing devil's advocate, the club's revenue has shot up thanks to the new TV deal too, so every player's agent will be, arguably rightly, expecting a huge bump in pay regardless of the player's form or importance.
 
Playing devil's advocate, the club's revenue has shot up thanks to the new TV deal too, so every player's agent will be, arguably rightly, expecting a huge bump in pay regardless of the player's form or importance.

and with the increased champions league revenue.. players agents will be sniffing around that too..
 
He should apologise to his teammates. I don't mind most of the haggling that goes on but I really hate when one player implies that his teammates aren't good enough for him. Reina did it, Torres did it, Suarez did it, as if they were solely responsible for the successes and the rest were responsible for the failures. Urging the club to bring in more good players to strengthen the squad is obviously a positive thing, but they all seem to end up demanding stars to suit their own sense of their lofty status.
 
So say the little idiot is allowed to leave in the summer for continuing to be a nobhead, I wonder what the club would allow him to leave for? Surely they'd be hoping for Suarez sort of money again with 18months left on his contract. Can you fucking imagine if the scum came in with a whopping bid that the owners considered to be acceptable value.
 
Playing devil's advocate, the club's revenue has shot up thanks to the new TV deal too, so every player's agent will be, arguably rightly, expecting a huge bump in pay regardless of the player's form or importance.

And playing Devil's advocate to his agent, if it's success that Sterling wants the less he takes in money the more is available to pay for better players to play alongside him
 
So say the little idiot is allowed to leave in the summer for continuing to be a nobhead, I wonder what the club would allow him to leave for? Surely they'd be hoping for Suarez sort of money again with 18months left on his contract. Can you fucking imagine if the scum came in with a whopping bid that the owners considered to be acceptable value.


We should keep him for another year. That's being presented as being a gamble for us alone, because if we don't do well enough he'll then go off probably for less money, but it'll actually also be a gamble for him, because if we do strengthen in the summer (and the likes of Ibe and Sinclair continue to progress), and bomb on in the league, then we'll be in a position of strength, and we'll be able to dictate terms far more than he will.
 
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