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Didn't really see the game today, just MOTD highlights, but by all accounts it was another terrible performance. A lot of people had us down comfortably for top 4 this year, while a few of us weren't so confident. However, we have started really badly, in my opinion, with only one good performance from 6 games - and we're playing, as well as looking, much worse than I had anticipated.

3 defeats in 5 not-too-difficult games. Are we still confident we will be in the top 4 come May?
 
Erm... I don't know. If Rodgers can sort the defence (don't know if he can) and has the bollocks to drop underperforming players regardless of who they are, then maybe top 4 is achievable
 
Erm... I don't know. If Rodgers can sort the defence (don't know if he can) and has the bollocks to drop underperforming players regardless of who they are, then maybe top 4 is achievable


He's been here 3 years and the defence has always looked shaky. Training and the way we play don't help, but I don't know if he can sort that out. Our attack bailed us out last year, but Suarez has gone and Sturridge is going to miss loads of games. I'm not confident at all. I predicted it being tough and close for top 4, but judging by the way it's going at the minute, it looks like we might not even put up a strong fight for it.
 
Right now Im not but its early days, we are still only 3 points behind but we look really vulnerable at the moment and Everton will be favourites next weekend. Fortunately the derby doesnt really go to the form book so hopefully we get a performance next week to get back on track, the games against Utd and Arsenal will be huge this season in deciding the top 4. I think its clear already that we dont have anything like the quality to challenge for the title, 4 is still possible but we need to turn it around sharpish. A third defeat next weekend would be a huge blow and I think we need to pick a team for the Boro game with that in mind.
 
This team has potential. That hasn't just gone up in smoke. At the moment though our hopes rest on a couple of key players one of whom is Sturridge, so not confident.

In the meanwhile, Rodgers needs to sort out the hoofing to Balotelli and fast.
 
Trying to integrate too many new players at once - and now Rodgers is changing personnel & tactics every game.

Get a settled side - stick with it - fight your way back to form.
 
We will have a much better second half to the season, IMO. So we'll have a decent chance.

This first part of the season was always going to be tough with Suarez having gone and so many new players.

We just need to try and keep Sturridge as fit as possible, and integrate the likes of Markovic and Lallana pronto.

We also need to seriously start thinking of finding a long-term DM. If Can is going to be the man in that position, he needs to be put in there asap.

I'd also get in Valdes as soon as he's fit.
 
sadly i was never too confident for a number of reasons.

I don't care what anyone says , before this summer rodgers (and this famous transfer committee ) have only really made two excellent purchases in Sturridge and Coutinho (even he is dropping form at an alarming rate ) with some of the others being useful at best (Allen - although he has still not nailed down a starting role week in week out ) . So i wasn't confident it would change this summer although Moreno does look very decent and one or two others quite promising .

But It's a disgrace how bad our team is defensively. it's been mentioned a number of times by Rodgers and players that it needed to improve so they are well aware yet it's got worse !! . What are they doing ? . Tactically it doesn't seem much , they seemed to think they could change it with personnel but that isn't working either .

And i wonder if we now have too many options in a way . Will rodgers be able to resist tinkering too much when he's not happy with something ?

Obviously though i expect it to improve as the season goes on but it may be too late by then . We're probably going to need an amazing 10 game run like last season to get into the top 4 .
 
All depends on if we eventually click and if we can cover up our own defense frailties.

Can't see there being more than a handful of points between us at the end of the season.

I'm hopeful but not confident at all. Today will tell us a lot more.
 
The international break fucked us over. Studge, Allen and Can out.

That said we're trying to integrate 3 new defenders. That will take time.
For all the talk of doing a Spurs, we've not done ourselves to many favours by changing to much to quickly.
There are 33 games left and it's September, so I'm not worried yet.

Get Valdes in and bench Ming. He hasn't stepped up at all and is not up to it ATM.
Rodgers also need to go for a settled back 4.

Can't for the love of God understand why we didn't fuck Lucas out on loan and improve that area.
Gerrard is in decline fast and behind him there is no one
 
how was song yesterday ? should we not have gone for him ?
 
All depends on if we eventually click and if we can cover up our own defense frailties.

Can't see there being more than a handful of points between us at the end of the season.

I'm hopeful but not confident at all. Today will tell us a lot more.


Oh great, Grandpa Simpson has arrived in the saloon.
 
i was confident purely because united look shit, but now it's like the better they get the worse we get, we really were essentially a one man team
 
The international break fucked us over. Studge, Allen and Can out.

That said we're trying to integrate 3 new defenders. That will take time.
For all the talk of doing a Spurs, we've not done ourselves to many favours by changing to much to quickly.
There are 33 games left and it's September, so I'm not worried yet.

Get Valdes in and bench Ming. He hasn't stepped up at all and is not up to it ATM.
Rodgers also need to go for a settled back 4.

Can't for the love of God understand why we didn't fuck Lucas out on loan and improve that area.
Gerrard is in decline fast and behind him there is no one



I don't think the international break is any excuse. We've coped with that in the past, and with the odd injury that comes from it in the past.

I also really don't get the focus on Mignolet. Do people REALLY think he's the main problem? That degree of disorganisation, lack of discipline and naivete amongst the back four would make any keeper look bad and cause them to concede plenty of goals. Yes, Mignolet has to improve, but I don't see him as the most urgent problem defensively by a long way. Put any keeper you like behind that back four and, believe me, they'll look poor.

Gerrard, it pains to me say, is finished unless he's moved up the pitch and proves he still has a bit to offer in the attacking part of the game. Personally I'd tell him to try to show Coutinho what he should be doing in this side. Just tell him to give it his all until he's in need of a rest. No in and out 'nursing'; a serious job, at maximum intensity, rewarded with a break when it's been earned. But his current role is surely over. He can't do it and other teams know exactly what to do to exacerbate the problem.

And Rodgers needs to simplify his management. Yes, there are more competitions this season, but you cope with that, initially, by finding form, not by refreshing mediocrity. He's getting way ahead of himself. Revert to a stable, settled side and don't mess around with it until fatigue is spotted, rather than anticipated. He's so over-eager to anticipate fatigue and reshuffle he's confusing himself and making the team incoherent. First get the side settled, coherent and confident, then you can risk tinkering with it.

Finally, up top: when Sturridge is in, it's okay, it'll improve, but when he's out, you have to change tack. Balotteli is not mobile enough to suit the system. Lambert is more mobile than some seem to think, and much, much, smarter, but he, too, is not going to suit the system (and, frankly, it's an insult to him to promote Borini above him). So if they're the alternatives, until we can get another striker in, we need to adapt to them, and quickly. Otherwise they'll be passengers on the pitch.
 
We've coped with it but lost 2 players from the core of the team. Both essential in the diamond formation.
Instead of building on the Spurs game we had to change shape and had 6 new players in the starting 11 vs Villa.
 
We've coped with it but lost 2 players from the core of the team. Both essential in the diamond formation.
Instead of building on the Spurs game we had to change shape and had 6 new players in the starting 11 vs Villa.


Doesn't explain the defence. And bringing SIX players in? That's not logic. Too many excuses for deep-rooted problems. And you start with a team, you don't start with a formation. If you serve a formation, you're already seriously confused.
 
Doesn't explain the defence. And bringing SIX players in? That's not logic. Too many excuses for deep-rooted problems. And you start with a team, you don't start with a formation. If you serve a formation, you're already seriously confused.

The injuries prevented us from not changing to much to fast IMHO.
Rodgers has a lot to answer for though and he needs to step up.
The derby will be massive. Thankfully form doesn't mean anything.
 
I wouldn't blame Rodgers. Most of the players have been shit, so he has no choice but to try different combinations of players which are not shit. Eventually he'll get around to trying Suso, and then we'll actually create some chances.
 
The injuries prevented us from not changing to much to fast IMHO.
Rodgers has a lot to answer for though and he needs to step up.
The derby will be massive. Thankfully form doesn't mean anything.

I can only conclude that you have a propensity for optimism that far over-reaches my own.
 
sadly i was never too confident for a number of reasons.

I don't care what anyone says , before this summer rodgers (and this famous transfer committee ) have only really made two excellent purchases in Sturridge and Coutinho (even he is dropping form at an alarming rate ) with some of the others being useful at best (Allen - although he has still not nailed down a starting role week in week out ) . So i wasn't confident it would change this summer although Moreno does look very decent and one or two others quite promising .

But It's a disgrace how bad our team is defensively. it's been mentioned a number of times by Rodgers and players that it needed to improve so they are well aware yet it's got worse !! . What are they doing ? . Tactically it doesn't seem much , they seemed to think they could change it with personnel but that isn't working either .

And i wonder if we now have too many options in a way . Will rodgers be able to resist tinkering too much when he's not happy with something ?

Obviously though i expect it to improve as the season goes on but it may be too late by then . We're probably going to need an amazing 10 game run like last season to get into the top 4 .

Hardly surprising, given your past comments about not really rating Rodgers, but this is ridiculously over the top. We played some fantastic football last season, with and without Suarez. Yeah there are problems, but the potential is there. It might take a season out for us to get it together, it happens, but in the longterm hopefully we'll be better off.

I'm as angry/pissed off as most, but some of the hysterics are ridiculous, his critics can't wait to get the boot in. Not many clubs are brilliant all of the time. We've made big changes and lost a brilliant player, it takes time to adjust.
 
Yes, it's too soon for any of that. There's not much to be done, as far as fans are concerned, except for waiting and hoping. But it would be encouraging if there were signs of the key problems being addressed. Everything done in the summer was purportedly done with a plan; it was not supposed to be 'another Spurs'. So we need at least some evidence that it now isn't being done on the hoof.
 
Hansern is the most optimistic person on this website. If he's even struggling, then we are in fucking trouble.
 
Hardly surprising, given your past comments about not really rating Rodgers, but this is ridiculously over the top. We played some fantastic football last season, with and without Suarez. Yeah there are problems, but the potential is there. It might take a season out for us to get it together, it happens, but in the longterm hopefully we'll be better off.

I'm as angry/pissed off as most, but some of the hysterics are ridiculous, his critics can't wait to get the boot in. Not many clubs are brilliant all of the time. We've made big changes and lost a brilliant player, it takes time to adjust.


So what have i said that isn't true ? Am i not for the most past correct in regards to his signings UP to this summer ? Is this team good defensively ?

And then i am just wondering how will he use such a large squad , a squad that has a couple of 20m players on the bench, a depth which we have never had before. Ok we have injuries but we've still changed loads these first 6 games .

anyway i say it as i see , i rate lots about rodgers but his team still has major flaws that so far i am still waiting a long time for signs of him improving . And it's more that there is something i don't like about rodgers as a person than i don't rate what he has done . but that doesn't matter , i don't need to like him so long as he does a good job .
 
We'll still get top 4.

Yeah, City and Chelsea are miles ahead of us (and everyone) and Arsenal are looking decent

But after that who are we fighting for top 4? Everton, Spurs and utd? Maybe Southampton

It's not in the bag but it's definitely doable, we just need an actual midfield to play football with
 
I'm no more or less confident than I was at the start of the season. What have we learnt so far? When we click like we did at Spurs we are almost unplayable. When the strikers don't get the support they need we will struggle against well-organised sides. The captain is not the force he was and he is horribly exposed playing in a position he is wholly unsuited for. The goalkeeper is uncertain on crosses and his positioning is questionable. The defensive unit can look utterly shambolic. We have a young talent who is world class ahead of his time. We have a forward who is absolutely integral to our fortunes but we cannot expect him to play more than 30 league games in a season. The manager talks a good game, he 'gets' the job he is in but his strategic flexibility can sometimes flip to over-complicated and unnecessary tinkering. None of that is breaking news guys...we knew all of that already.

We've lost a world class talent and we couldn't possible replace him like for like. So instead we have a system and squad that requires that attacking burden to be spread. The squad is undoubtedly stronger this season than it was last and we only just missed out on the title. It's going to take some time for the adjustments to come to fruition...perhaps we have to write this season off (although I'm certainly not ready to do so). Missing out on the top 4 would be a setback this season but you need to look no further than back to our own 2013/14 campaign (and Utd this time?) to see it doesn't need to be irreversible decline.

So all of the concerns we have are legitimate and all of the positives that took us so far last season, with one fucking humongous exception, are still in place. This season just like last, we're not far away but the manager has some big calls to make about our set-up and personnel. I think he'll make them and he therefore retains my full confidence.
 
I'm as confident of us winning the league as I am of ISIS disappearing ...

I hope Sumo is right hwoever and we'll finish top 4 ... I would take 5th place and Manure winning 4th if we get #6 however.
 
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