I don't agree that it is, or should be, that automatic. Firmino's gone off the boil at the mo but had been playing well before that, while Sturridge hadn't been playing at all, nor has he pulled up many trees when he has played more recently.
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I don't agree that it is, or should be, that automatic. Firmino's gone off the boil at the mo but had been playing well before that, while Sturridge hadn't been playing at all, nor has he pulled up many trees when he has played more recently.
I doubt it, because even Rodgers got pissed off with his attitude, so by the end there was quite a bit of tension between them.
Noted. Shame - it had really begun to seem at that time that he'd turned a corner in terms of attitude. Here's hoping that, if we are now properly on top of the fitness issues, that in itself will help Sturridge be match-fit on a consistent basis and, if he can turn that into form and goals, that in turn may get his head straight.
I'm really not sure they do. RVP was shit hot for a few years at Arsenal and United (single handedly won them the Title in 2013) and he was a right lazy caannnnttt.
Whilst I really do like Klopp's not about individuals it's about the team mantra, sometimes you just need to make allowances for certain players and I honestly think we should with Sturridge. He's that good and that important to us. Doesn't mean he should be free to do whatever he wants and not be a team player and sulk all over the show but still, I do think we need to be careful here. He's a special, special talent and one we can ill afford to lose in my view (despite the injury problems)
Also can you imagine how the likes of Coutinho would feel if he sees yet another top player leave the Club?
I think you'll find that both in Germany and this season in the PL he has been one of the players running the furthest (for LFC) per match/minutes played.
The fact that he doesn't work as hard as others only becomes an issue because the system dictates it. It wasn't a problem in the three pronged attack with Sterling and Suarez, no one gave a fuck then. He's been back fit for the longest period in ages at the moment, so I'm not sure throwing his injury record over the last season and a half at him is really fair, nor does it equate to "he's missed half of every season".
I don't think he fits Klopp's style and I think that hangs question marks over his future, but as Woland says, you'd rather have someone like him, capable of putting in a late winner than someone who'll cover acres for 90 minutes and come away with 10 goals a season. Torres played plenty of games where he was fairly anonymous for 80 minutes but would get the winner in a tight game.
People can question his attitude, fine, when he was playing and being used correctly, he used that less likeable side of his character to have fierce competition with Suarez a couple of seasons ago, whatever arguments they used to have on the pitch was neither here nor there, because the end result was goals, wins and the desire to out-do eachother. No one gave two shites about his attitude then.
If you play him he'll get back into form and score regularly. If he feels like he doesn't belong here and is used in a half cocked team as a blatant back-up player, then you're on a hiding to nothing. There are times when Klopp could and should have used him in big games, and there have been times when he could have handled him much better. If he goes, then unless we bring in some free-scoring work horse of player, he'll be a big loss and it'll bite us on the arse.
People have short memories about his ability, are we that desperate to justifying everything Klopp does, that we're that willing to let this fantastic talent go?
I don't think he fits Klopp's style and I think that hangs question marks over his future, but as Woland says, you'd rather have someone like him, capable of putting in a late winner than someone who'll cover acres for 90 minutes and come away with 10 goals a season. Torres played plenty of games where he was fairly anonymous for 80 minutes but would get the winner in a tight game.
People can question his attitude, fine, when he was playing and being used correctly, he used that less likeable side of his character to have fierce competition with Suarez a couple of seasons ago, whatever arguments they used to have on the pitch was neither here nor there, because the end result was goals, wins and the desire to out-do eachother. No one gave two shites about his attitude then.
If you play him he'll get back into form and score regularly. If he feels like he doesn't belong here and is used in a half cocked team as a blatant back-up player, then you're on a hiding to nothing. There are times when Klopp could and should have used him in big games, and there have been times when he could have handled him much better. If he goes, then unless we bring in some free-scoring work horse of player, he'll be a big loss and it'll bite us on the arse.
People have short memories about his ability, are we that desperate to justifying everything Klopp does, that we're that willing to let this fantastic talent go?
Wouldn't disagree with the bit about using Sturridge more, mark, but I have my doubts about some of the rest of that. Sturridge's lack of industry alongside Suarez wasn't as pronounced as it is now because things were going so well that he got caught up in the general momentum, while at the same time Suarez was doing the work of three alongside him.so it mattered less anyway. Our needs are different now and it shouldn't all be on Klopp and the rest of the team to accommodate Sturridge's preferences. He needs to meet them halfway.
I think when Origi plays at his best, you're close to having the player that Klopp wants. With Firmino, it has sometimes worked as a sum of it's parts, but there have been other times when it's been incredibly blunt. Against Villareal, for example.
I agree it shouldn't be about just accommodating Sturridge, and by the same token, Sturridge needs to adapt, so yeah, they need to meet halfway. Klopp needs to coax that form out of him and be a man-manager, we've seen it too many times with managers, if a player only half fits then it seems like too much hardwork to try to change that and to try a different approach for a more needy character. There just seems to be a bit too much revisionism going on, that's all. He's a great talent and one that Klopp should be looking hard at being a big part of his squad, instead of tossing him to one side, it's wasteful.
I reckon the rest of the season will be a bit hit and miss with Sturridge as he builds his fitness up and adapts to Klopps game, but I really hope he stays because I do believe there's a big future here for him under Klopp, and I don't think Klopp wants rid, I reckon with a good preseason under his belt he'll be a much improved player for Klopps game whilst still being the outrageously talented goalscorer we've become accustomed too.
He's just not. He can't be relied upon to stay fit. He's had chance after chance to step up. He's clearly going to get injured again really soon, and it could be argued that the fact we've been so captivated by his special talents for so long, has held us back, because we were strikerless for so long
I'm usually fairly patient about him, but his comments in the press the past few days have pissed me off. He owes the club a debt for paying his wages while he was out for so long, and for hopefully fixing his health problems. But you've been out for the best part of a year, and you come out with quotes like "I'm he's not sure I'll be here for much longer". COME ON.
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I agree 100%. I too have been patient, wished him the best and generally felt sorry for him as opposed to blaming him. However saying he wants to play every minute when he has been injured for so bloody long is both contradictory and down right arrogant.
Exactly, we're nearly back to the retarded bollocks of judging a striker based on everything but the one thing they are paid to do.
Like when people used to harp on about how great Crouch was under Rafa when he couldn't score for half a season
First thing you have to do is make a game. That's what sturridge is mostly maligned for. Klopp has taken the cotton wool off after a year or more of him getting paid for being on the lines due to injury. Real mostly, imagined sometimes. The kid should show some respect to those who have silently stood by patiently for him to return.
I think it's a bit harsh to suggest he 'imagined' injuries. While he does seem a rather Erm...'complex' character, I think he likes playing football and would prefer to be on the pitch than not
He's our only reliable finisher. So he should play.
He's our only reliable finisher. So he should play.
He obvs doesn't listen to God when he gets told to be humble.
I think in the main he's been really injured; but Klopp has suggested there's a little bit of the psychosomatic going on too. He should definitely play. But he should also park talk of leaving, and his own position. He needs to start showing up for the club for a while, and show some of the gratitude he shows to the man in the sky, to the lads in the stands. This is why I am a little "peeved". Out of patience.
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