Poll *WARNING: Another Origi thread*

[Fabio]

I'm growing increasingly concerned

Here's a player with all the raw attributes to be a top player, but he just looks like he can't be arsed. He's stagnated.

I know he's just come back from injury but he was outpaced by otamendi today.

The slow centre back who started the game, beat our fresh legged striker, in a foot race

I'm beginning to begrudge saying he's a decent squad option because he never looks like he wants to score.



FOLLOW IT IN YOU LAZY CUNT

 

[Rosco]

He's an athlete that plays up front, rather than a striker.

Lacking in instinct there.

 

[HC]

I don't think he will ever be good enough for how klopp wants his side to play

 

[davud graham]

He's all reaction and no anticipation. Top class strikers never get caught on their heels.

 

[Zlate]

I'm growing increasingly concerned

Here's a player with all the raw attributes to be a top player, but he just looks like he can't be arsed. He's stagnated.

I know he's just come back from injury but he was outpaced by otamendi today.

The slow centre back who started the game, beat our fresh legged striker, in a foot race

I'm beginning to begrudge saying he's a decent squad option because he never looks like he wants to score.



FOLLOW IT IN YOU LAZY CUNT

Follow it in you lazy cunt? he's outside the box when the ball in played to Firmino and to be fair, Lallana should be finishing that with his eyes closed. No blame on Origi here

 

[Dreambeliever]

He's not going to make it here based on everything I've seen so far.

 

[Mystic]

His close control isn't good enough for me, he always seems to take a second with the ball tangled in his feet, it really detracts from our play, such a shame as with quicker and better feet, he could be a world beater.

 

[jan]

Follow it in you lazy cunt? he's outside the box when the ball in played to Firmino and to be fair, Lallana should be finishing that with his eyes closed. No blame on Origi here

I don't think anyone blames Origi for that miss, it's more of a highlight how he often doesn't really know what he's supposed to do on the pitch. He should have been running inside the box when the ball gets played to Firmino, not fucking standing there like a useless gimp offering nothing to our attack.

 

[Holle]

Origi's not to blame for the miss.

But the fact that he's not making the run into the box for me shows that he's lacking instinct. And this can't be taught.

Can anybody imagine Fowler, Owen, Suarez et al not making this run?

 

[keniget]

He's one of the biggest disappointments of the season.

He showed so much potential last season and this, nothing.

I don't know if his Liverpool career can recover now because we can't go into next season with the threat of a repeat of this hanging over us.

Perhaps a loan might be the best idea to see if he can recover what it is he may or may not have had.

 

[Rosco]

Origi's not to blame for the miss.

But the fact that he's not making the run into the box for me shows that he's lacking instinct. And this can't be taught.

Can anybody imagine Fowler, Owen, Suarez et al not making this run?

Yup.

Its not possible for a coach to sit down with Origi, show him this video and explain what he should do next time.

 

[redhorizon2]

I'm growing increasingly concerned

Here's a player with all the raw attributes to be a top player, but he just looks like he can't be arsed. He's stagnated.

I know he's just come back from injury but he was outpaced by otamendi today.

The slow centre back who started the game, beat our fresh legged striker, in a foot race

I'm beginning to begrudge saying he's a decent squad option because he never looks like he wants to score.



FOLLOW IT IN YOU LAZY CUNT

And that's why I said we should sell him. £20m is ideal but I'd take £17m.

 

[manwithnoname]

He's an athlete that plays up front, rather than a striker.

Lacking in instinct there.

Yes.

I don't think it's quite fair to question his desire or commitment, as Fabio seems to have done, but then I don't think players genuinely "can't be arsed", it's just lack of form or confidence.

But then I've never rated Origi that highly, because it's always seemed to me that he isn't a naturally gifted finisher and never will be.

 

[doctor_mac]

He's one of the biggest disappointments of the season.

He showed so much potential last season and this, nothing.

I don't know if his Liverpool career can recover now because we can't go into next season with the threat of a repeat of this hanging over us.

Perhaps a loan might be the best idea to see if he can recover what it is he may or may not have had.

Yes, I agree. He was looking fantastic in the back end of last season but he has definitely regressed. This can happen with younger players, but the worry is that he just isn't going to be the player we want and need him to be.

 

[Modo]

How can we expect a player that is in and out of the team to improve? He needs playing time.
But I do agree, he's been average.

 

[FoxForceFive]

Yup.

Its not possible for a coach to sit down with Origi, show him this video and explain what he should do next time.

Whilst that's possible, it's not feasible long term.

If you have to teach a forward when & where to run to get a chance then he's nowhere near being a quality forward.

 

[keniget]

How can we expect a player that is in and out of the team to improve? He needs playing time.
But I do agree, he's been average.

He had a decent run in the side earlier in the season but his performances were generally very poor and he failed to give Klopp any reason to stick with him.

Scoring a few goals whilst putting in a 5/10 performance might be good enough for a lower half team but not us.

 

[manwithnoname]

Whilst that's possible, it's not feasible long term.

If you have to teach a forward when & where to run to get a chance then he's nowhere near being a quality forward.

Yeah, but it seems odd that only 6 months ago, he was genuinely called "world class" with "supreme confidence and technique" "all the attributes in the world"and "would score 15-20 goals this season" according to some posters on here.

Now, admittedly that was Mamma Mia, Frogfish, Ryan and Hansern, and therefore easily dismissed, but it still seems there is a rather wide spectrum of opinions about his quality, and that sometimes means there is some merit in the player.

 

[Markeh]

Do you really get as far in football as Origi has without that predatory instinct?

It is possible that he has it but his head isn't in the game and he isn't doing things instinctively. He's rusty, out of form and hesitant.

I'm not entirely sure how good he will become but he has done things the likes of Borini and N'gog can only dream of, there's potential.

 

[manwithnoname]

Do you really get as far in football as Origi has without that predatory instinct?

It is possible that he has it but his head isn't in the game and he isn't doing things instinctively. He's rusty, out of form and hesitant.

I'm not entirely sure how good he will become but he has done things the likes of Borini and N'gog can only dream of, there's potential.

Well, 'predatory instinct' is sufficiently woolly, vague and subjective it can be almost meaningless. I suppose it could mean 'natural finisher'

Which has the same problems as a descriptor.

He's just not good enough at scoring goals. Like many attacking players. Some are valuable in other ways, but if you're a striker, you generally have to be good at that bit of the game.

He hasn't shown that

 

[Rosco]

Whilst that's possible, it's not feasible long term.

If you have to teach a forward when & where to run to get a chance then he's nowhere near being a quality forward.

Everyone learns at some time. If he hasn't learned by now its not a positive but to suggest we can't coach a 21 year old to improve is a step too far.

 

[Markeh]

Well, 'predatory instinct' is sufficiently woolly, vague and subjective it can be almost meaningless. I suppose it could mean 'natural finisher'

Which has the same problems as a descriptor.

He's just not good enough at scoring goals. Like many attacking players. Some are valuable in other ways, but if you're a striker, you generally have to be good at that bit of the game.

He hasn't shown that

I wasn't responding to the natural finisher comments, my post was in response to the idea that he's not naturally getting himself into the right positions and that can't be coached. That might be true but I also believe it's easy to lose that instinct temporarily when you're off your game.

It's only a half hearted defence of Origi though, at the moment he's nowhere near the quality we need.

 

[Fabio]

Follow it in you lazy cunt? he's outside the box when the ball in played to Firmino and to be fair, Lallana should be finishing that with his eyes closed. No blame on Origi here

I'm not blaming him for the miss at all, i am blaming him however for making no attempt to follow it in. It's ridiculously thick or infuriatingly lazy. Neither are good.

A striker needs to run in to the box when there's an attack. 30 yards out helps no one.

 

[Hansern]

I'm not blaming him for the miss at all, i am blaming him however for making no attempt to follow it in. It's ridiculously thick or infuriatingly lazy. Neither are good.

A striker needs to run in to the box when there's an attack. 30 yards out helps no one.

Yeah, that didnt put him in a good light at all. He had a good cameo versus Arsenal but didnt look up to it at all yesterday.
As others have said, he has regressed during the latest months and you'd wonder what Klopp will do this summer. If he doesnt improve and show that potential he clearly has, then we might aswell sell him. Klopp doesnt strike me as a manager who will sell a young player after a bad spell mind. Not if he rates him and think he can improve him with coaching.

Maybe he wasnt 100% fit after the knock this week. Thats about the only excuse I can think of regarding being outpaced by Otamendi.

 

[Squiggles]

I rated him last year and looked forward to watching him develop but as others have said, he's gone backwards. I'm not necessarily arsed what we do with him next. A loan to a Premier League team would be best. I don't think we should sell. There's time for him to turn it around and his wages won't be high.

 

[Gary25]

He's not good enough.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

He has seemingly gone backwards this season and was bloody useless and lacking any oomph when he came on yesterday. I don't think he's going to be up to it

 

[dmishra]

He's regressed this season, which is a bit sad. He showed big potential last year.

I'd give him another 18 months though.

We should of course be signing a senior striker regardless.

 

[Fabio]

He's regressed this season, which is a bit sad. He showed big potential last year.

I'd give him another 18 months though.

We should of course be signing a senior striker regardless.

I think he'll end up being a winger. Not a very good one either

 

[rurikbird]

This season is disappointing, no question. I've been a fan since the time I saw him at the World Cup and I still think he has the attributes to become a top striker – but that doesn't mean that he necessarily will. For every top player there are a few others who had the talent to get to the top, but something didn't work out. I think a loan next season could be good for him – he needs to play regularly to progress to the next level.