West Brom (h) - post match chat
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Has he needed to ? He's either had no chance or not had to make a save !
More blame could be attached to the defenders on that corner for not even competing ..... and WBA were lucky as the ball fell very kindly indeed for them.
Yep people are over reacting with the goal and Karius' part in the goal.
He was to blame for conceding the corner....but can someone show me how he could have collected the corner that they scored from?
Conceding that corner was the one nervy moment he had in the game, other than that he looked composed and came out to readily help the defense quite a few times not allowing the opportunity for Wba to apply pressure near our goal.
He was to blame for conceding the corner....but can someone show me how he could have collected the corner that they scored from?
Conceding that corner was the one nervy moment he had in the game, other than that he looked composed and came out to readily help the defense quite a few times not allowing the opportunity for Wba to apply pressure near our goal.
I don't know why you keep jumping to Karius' defense because he's new, people appreciate that he might need time to settle, but let's call a spade a spade. He's been horendous so far and he's made at least one mistake in every game he's played.
He wasn't at fault for the goal, but he made some really basic errors during the match. He flapped for one cross that should have resulted in a goal and he got lucky a few other times too.
What are you going to be saying in 6 months? That he's only been here 6 months? He's been poor, no two ways about it.
I don't like to have to keep defending a player over as over and I don't want to seem like a Karius fanboy, however – can you be more specific about "a few other times" he "got lucky"? I got distracted for 2-3 minutes once during the game, maybe all those numerous horrible mistakes happened during that brief interruption? Because other than that I was watching the game very intently and I remember only 2 mistakes from Karius:
1) a sliced clearance/pass out of play
2) a misjudged cross that led to the corner that led to the goal. BTW if that's the incident you're referring to as "should have resulted in a goal," then I disagree – there was no angle to shoot directly on goal there, once Karius let the cross go (he didn't "flap" at it at all) he should have anticipated Rondon's cutback to smother the ball with softer hands, instead of deflecting it for the corner.
Look, I know you're trying to be reasonable and everything, but there is no middle ground; you either think a player is shit or you're a fanboy.
It's fairly obvious from watching him that's he's uncomfortable, that the defense are uncomfortable with him. He came for one cross and DID flap at it. The commentators went on about it for long enough after it happened too, so it didn't go unnoticed nor was it an overreaction. Like I said, he's made mistakes in every game. I did say he does need time, but we can only call it out for what it is, at the moment his performances have been shakey and he's made mistakes that Mignolet would have been crucifed for.
Did you think he had a good game? Do you think his performances have been good?
Coming on here it seem obvious that we are lurking around the top of the league just because we are less shit than before - and not because we are fucking good!!
So lets call a spade for a spade:
Karius might have done a mistake. But he is a young guy adjusting to the league - and lets be honest about it. There aint too many Tony Pulis teams in Bundesliga . And that is probably one of the reasons Germany is quite good and Ingurland is not so good.
I understand Can deserves a 7 because he was less shit than last game. Not because he did a good job for the team, finding his pace and settling in after a period of injuries.
Firmino is slow and doesnt score goals - so never mind his energic performance with an assist of the season that opened up a gane who potentially could been very frustrating.
And of course Mane has lost it after a very good start. It got nothing to do with opposition that prepare for main threats of Liverpool decides to shut down spaces for Mane after his very good start.
Other facts we should overlook is that we normally dont beat Pulis' teams. He is an Expert in frustrating the hell out of us, and also yesterday his team got a warning for timewasting after 10 mins or so. So credit to Klopp and his staff for setting up a team that looked like they could score 5 against them!!! Of course not good enough for the people that also where shouting about his incapability to turn around matches when Swansea went 1-0 up.
Is Karius the clown? Reading on here he has plenty of competition for that honour!!!
So lets call a spade for a spade:
Karius might have done a mistake. But he is a young guy adjusting to the league - and lets be honest about it. There aint too many Tony Pulis teams in Bundesliga . And that is probably one of the reasons Germany is quite good and Ingurland is not so good.
I understand Can deserves a 7 because he was less shit than last game. Not because he did a good job for the team, finding his pace and settling in after a period of injuries.
Firmino is slow and doesnt score goals - so never mind his energic performance with an assist of the season that opened up a gane who potentially could been very frustrating.
And of course Mane has lost it after a very good start. It got nothing to do with opposition that prepare for main threats of Liverpool decides to shut down spaces for Mane after his very good start.
Other facts we should overlook is that we normally dont beat Pulis' teams. He is an Expert in frustrating the hell out of us, and also yesterday his team got a warning for timewasting after 10 mins or so. So credit to Klopp and his staff for setting up a team that looked like they could score 5 against them!!! Of course not good enough for the people that also where shouting about his incapability to turn around matches when Swansea went 1-0 up.
Is Karius the clown? Reading on here he has plenty of competition for that honour!!!
It's quite strange - and yet entirely predictable - that some crybabies find it hard to accept an objective, correct summary and associated rating of players in a match.
We should give Karius an extra point because he's young, or new to the league?
Fuck that. He's been corrrectly summarised by the usual contributors who are mostly correct about everything.
Based on that performance. Like all the other ratings and comments are. For all the players
Of course, any fucking idiot is welcome to rate our players on what they think they might do, or should do, or possibly could one day, maybe.
Why not award us the Premiership title as well, while you're at it.
We should give Karius an extra point because he's young, or new to the league?
Fuck that. He's been corrrectly summarised by the usual contributors who are mostly correct about everything.
Based on that performance. Like all the other ratings and comments are. For all the players
Of course, any fucking idiot is welcome to rate our players on what they think they might do, or should do, or possibly could one day, maybe.
Why not award us the Premiership title as well, while you're at it.
It certainly isnt the place to be if you want to enjoy a win.
Hahaha... Usually correct about everything? Sure. Especially when pointing out that Klopp is incapable of turning around a game !!
Sure rate the players the way you want it based on the performance. Karius kept a clean sheet against scum and you probably rated him piss poor as he easily could have let in goals.
Our disastrous goalie that unsettle our defence (according to some posters they look obviously uncomfortable when playing with him) has cost us 0 points so far. I know he easily could have cost us points and we have to take that into consideration when rating him - not what he actually does?
So then the argument must be that the opposition hardly get a sniff at goal. Quite an achievment by a very uncomfortable defence to hardly give opponents a sniff?
So facts remain that our nervous uncomfortable defence with a disastrous goalie has cost us zero points so far. That must really hurt??? Cause as I understand it you're normally correct?? Sure.... Hahaha
Are they uncomfortable? We havent conceded a goal from open play in 5 games. He's conceded 3 goals in 5 games. We've just played the two strongest teams in the league on set pieces. We conceded 1 goal. Karius flapped at maybe 2 crosses. 2 crosses to many but that can be worked on during training.
They dont look uncomfortable at all. I'd rather say something is right and its working.
He flapped at maybe one cross yesterday and had one poor pass. The comments on here doesnt reflect that at all.
He obviously has to improve. He knows it. Klopp knows it. But it isnt a massive worry at all.
Why change a defensive unit that is working and getting results.
Its just bizzarre to suggest a change now.
Anyway, thats my final say on Karius. Cant be seen as a fanboy. Better to call everyone shite.
Good game, I never felt the result was in doubt. Karius is obviously shitting his kecks and feeling the pressure but I hope and reckon he'll play through it, because the answer is not to pick Ming again. He's long since proven he's not good enough, and Karius doesn't put players under pressure with shit passes like he does.
Will settle for any type of win against Pulis, who had some sort of paedo hex on us prior to yesterday.
Will settle for any type of win against Pulis, who had some sort of paedo hex on us prior to yesterday.
I'm also a little concerned by the subs bench. I find it odd that Ings and Grujic can't even make the bench.
Both players will obviously feature against Spurs in some capacity, but I find it hard to believe that Ings is not a better finisher than Divot. And Lucas is in his last, dismal year as a Liverpool player, and has no role to play unless all of our CBs are hit by a fucking comet, so why isn't Grujic at least on the bench?
Must be very demoralising for those two, seeing inferior players ahead of them.
Both players will obviously feature against Spurs in some capacity, but I find it hard to believe that Ings is not a better finisher than Divot. And Lucas is in his last, dismal year as a Liverpool player, and has no role to play unless all of our CBs are hit by a fucking comet, so why isn't Grujic at least on the bench?
Must be very demoralising for those two, seeing inferior players ahead of them.
Everyone enjoyed the win. It seems odd that you can't understand the concept of an objective review and summary of that win, with realistic criticism and observations.
Perhaps you'd be happier with every post-match summary simply filled with images of cuddly toys, laughing children and cute animals doing amusing things.
Rather than the cold reality of Karius being shit. Again.
Agreed. I also find it odd that people want to swap GKs again.
1) Karius hasnt really done anything to warrant getting dropped. Goals/dropped points etc
2) Ming has proved over the last 3 years that he isnt the answer
Just stick with the system and defensive set up that has contributed to us being joint first in the league.
You're boo hoo hooing like a 12 year old because lots of people are correctly saying Karius is a fucking calamity with high balls into the box, and is useless at catching crosses.
Which is all fact, on evidence so far, despite your persistence about his amazing skills at crosses in the Bundesliga. Which aren't true either.
I hope he does improve. If he doesn't, he'll be dropped and sold. But none of that means Mignolet is good enough either.
What part of the above is so upsetting to you?
I think having to read some of your observations are more upsetting in all honesty.
Truth shouldn't hurt so much.
I can't imagine this upsets anyone. Its quite opposit rather amusing.... Karius probably stands a better chance to become a hit after he is branded useless by you.
For a guy knowing quite a bit about football you are remarcably often wrong.
Firmino was supposed to be bang average and it was a question of time before the rest of the world saw what you had seen straight away? And when he proved his worth you bashed him for no pace and no goals.... He just needed a striker like Studge next to him?? Sure
And any idiot in the world know we need to buy a new left back? Correct....
And it was obvious to everyone that the defence would cost us top four.... As we have let in two goals more than Arsenal and City? Might Spurs will walk the league this year? Haha....
And no team can win anything without a topscorer getting at least 20 goals and our guys doesn't deliver anything close to it.... It's just a fluke that we have scored more than any other team? probably just luck.....
So you bashing Karius is probably the best that happened to him!!!
But as you say you're normally correct. so sure it is quite amusing to see how often you are wrong!! Hahaha
Henderson had another quality game yesterday. He is pretty much manning the engine room all by himself right now. He is far better at breaking up the play than I initially thought too.
Mignolet is not going to improve. We know that.
Karius may improve, he may not, but to swap him for Mignolet would be a big mistake.
Karius may improve, he may not, but to swap him for Mignolet would be a big mistake.
Exactly right. The option after Karius (should he fail) would be to buy a new keeper. Ming should be sold at the very next opportunity.
Sorry, why do you keep calling him Divot? I thought it's a typo but now I saw this for several posts in a row.
Oh come on Hansern. Brendan's ratings were fair. He gave no one below 7 except for Karius, who would probably be what most people would label the only blemish on an otherwise dominant and sometimes brilliant performance. No one is dragging the team or the performance down. Just because we win a game it doesn't mean we can't objectively point out where we could have improved. We could have scored more goals too and been out of sight, so that any threat from WBA wouldn't have mattered. Does that mean I'm moaning and not enjoying the win?
It's a bit rich that a couple of posters are labelling others moaners for pointing out a few issues, it's even less surprising that it comes from posters who generally champion absolutely everything through rose-tinted glasses.
It's because he's a massive div
It is a tough job being a negative turd when things look good.... So then he must work even Harder to find places to make a dig. Its quite desperate when the only place to dig at Klopp is to pick on the reserves, but when everything else he has been "correct" about goes totally wrong , I guess the reserves are better than nothing hahaha
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