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Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by Oncy, Aug 30, 2016.

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  1. Oncy

    Oncy Administrator Administrator

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    Am I not alright to be really pissed off our net spend is -£12,000,000 this summer?

    United and City are over £100,000,000 ahead of us in players and Chelsea about £70,000,000 ahead of us when they all finished ahead of us. Today Arsenal look to be spending £50,000,000 on 2 players.

    I know its not all about the money, but how can we hope to keep up here? They were already better and have invested a lot more than us?

    Maybe I just want shiny new things but it seems to me we are allowing the opposition to pull away.
     
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    mark1975 Moderator Moderator

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    They're just players though Oncy. Aside from United's Pogba & Ibra buys, I'm not that arsed about who anyone has signed. Let alone Arsenal today.

    That said, it's worrying that we've over-trimmed the squad and still have glaring issues that were of paramount importance back in May. We're out of Europe, so a smaller squad and continuity makes sense for the league, but we're top heavy and lackng in defensive areas. Are we feeling the pinch of the stadium and no Europe? With a view to getting back in this time and then spending?
     
  3. Squiggles

    Squiggles Forum Moderator Forum Moderator

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    It's down to several factors:

    We had a large, bloated squad for which we have received good figures for. We needed a clear out.

    Klopp isn't a manager who is attracted to spending vast sums of money. He's proved he can do it at Dortmund on a reasonable budget.

    I guess its possible the main stand may have impacted our budget for the window.

    I'm disappointed in the sense that the more we spend, the more chance we have of winning something. But Liverpool are equally more likely to get an expensive signing wrong as a cheap one so perhaps that doesn't apply here. We all think Matip maybe a £20-25M defender who we've landed on a free. Would we be happier if we actually paid for him?

    Ultimately it will boil down to the success of the signings he has made. If many of them prove themselves we won't be talking about net spend and will be lauding both Klopp and board. If they don't, and we fail to win anything or get in the Champions League then it prove a reasonable question to ask.
     
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    Mystic Part of the Furniture Member

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    On the face of it it sounds concerning, but at the end of the day we've still spent £25million and £34?million on players, so it's not like we've not spent, we've just sold very well. I would still like another signing though, Pulisic would do me.
     
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    Gross vs net discussion, again?
     
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    moron i am legend Member

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    It is kind of worrying - I keep hearing on this site that we have array of attacking talent - but so far I only see Mane as our difference maker up front. Granted we have bought some defenders - that will help but the problem for us is that we are actually dominating games and not scoring enough.  Yet we have a problem at LB which he won't address and yes I actually have faith in Milner to cover that for us - but I think he is better in midfield than Lalana, so we are kind of losing out there.  I actually still think he needs to spend on the LB, and another attacker/or someone that can take the game to the opposition.  I mean what do we do if Mane gets injured or more likely sent off ? The one game he has not played in - made us look like the impotent side of last season.
     
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    localny Well-Known Member

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    We've sold well

    We've bought some value at low prices

    We should be buying a lb and a dm

    But we have no CL, no EL - small squad sounds good.  Better than being over stocked and overpaying for it
     
  8. Dreambeliever

    Dreambeliever Looking on the brightside Member

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    I actually love the fact we haven't got f*cked over for once.

    Sadio Mane is enough for this window.

    A left back would have been great but we can survive.
     
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    A LB is/was essential. It's not a 'cherry on top' scenario. It was amongst our biggest priorities this summer.
     
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    Yup. We arguably needed a left back last summer/Jan...it's quite remarkable we haven't signed one. Brave, brave shout.
     
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    reuque MALAYSIA REPRESENT Member

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    We'll probably end up overpaying for one in January. Even if Milner proves a decent LB, there's no saying what can happen if injuries come by. Alberto Moreno has time and time again been given chances without showing any slight improvement fills me with dread, even if he is just a back up.
     
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    Maybe Klopp has identified the likes of "Dominic Matteo", "Stephen Wright", "Stephen Warnock" from the academy.
     
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    mark1975 Moderator Moderator

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    Hopefully whoever it is is better than those three though! (Welcome back!)
     
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    Is survival the aim of the game here? cos it shouldn't be.
     
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    doctor_mac My cowboy name is Garland Justice Member

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    Well, that most would-be cerebral of all football pundits, Garth Crooks, reckons we're certs to go down if we play Moreno. So survival it is!
     
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    As others have said, we had a bloated squad and got paid well over the odds for some of the player (15 mill for Ibe).

    In the end it doesnt mean anything that we finish the the transfer window with a positive net spend.
    Utd in partiuclar have overpaid for 2 of their players with quite a lot, so why even bother with how much they or City spend.

    We've had a very good transfer window. But not signing a midfielder or left back could be an issue. Just have to trust Klopp.
    If Milner turns out to have a great season as a left back then its not really an issue at all.

    As for a midfielder, that could well turn out be key if we're light there.
    The money is available so surely its the fact that Klopps target isnt on the market. We tried for Dahoud so I'm guessing he was his main target.
     
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    I'm happy with Mane, but you make it sound like a LB is a luxury item. Sorting out the LB position should have been our biggest concern. It's like playing playing Call of Duty and collecting all the extra ammo but not completing your primary objective.
     
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    While what you say is true, it does mean that we (seemingly) have money to spend and by not spending it means that we are happy with what we have. But, personally, I can't see this squad finishing in the top 4 and that's what I find frustrating when I look at our expenditure. I obviously hope Klopp proves me wrong, mind.
     
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    It's fine. Honestly. It'll be OK.

    You just need to understand how the squad is being set up. Klopp tried the false nine thing last year, but I guess he didn't really like it. Now we have a No. 10 up front, one on the wing, one in central midfield, a central midfielder at left back and one in reserve ready to step in at centre back. It looks to me that we are still on course for an entire false 11 by January.

    Believe!

    Seriously though, we do look a bit light. I think we are keeping our powder dry until we have Europe to attract the bigger names. It's a risky strategy, a couple of key injuries and it might be another 8th placed finish. A left back today would have us looking a lot healthier, a defensive/central midfielder would be a nice bonus - I don't see either happening though.
     
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    If we hadnt sold players for 70 od million it would be a problem. Its quite obvious that we have money to spend imho.
     
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