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Depression

Discussion in 'The Vault' started by Dylan, Nov 27, 2011.

  1. Spionkop69

    Spionkop69 Get the cretins out! Member

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    [quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=47687.msg1433741#msg1433741 date=1322479457]
    The problem Is an awful lot of people do blag it. I'm not saying that's te case here obviously, but I see it happen all the time in our place, until their sick pay runs out, when they return better than ever.
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    I am sure they do. But Gary Speed was "better than ever" on Saturday and was dead by Sunday morning. Its simply not a black and white issue.
     
  2. SaintGeorge67

    SaintGeorge67 Well-Known Member

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    Of course, and I didn't mean to offend anyone with that. I'm in no way playing down depression.
     
  3. Spionkop69

    Spionkop69 Get the cretins out! Member

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    [quote author='Dave' link=topic=47687.msg1433726#msg1433726 date=1322478243]
    Is medication really the answer?? Is it a stop gap?? Or do some people stay on the tablets forever because if they stop taking the medication the depression comes back??
    [/quote]

    For me it is a coping mechanism that allows you to deal with the wider root causes. It allows you to the so called simple things like get up, wash, go to work and socialise. That means you have some free space to deal with the other things that can lead to depression.
     
  4. Spionkop69

    Spionkop69 Get the cretins out! Member

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    [quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=47687.msg1433749#msg1433749 date=1322479747]
    Of course, and I didn't mean to offend anyone with that. I'm in no way playing down depression.
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    You didn't offend. My post was slightly brusque and wasn't meant to be. Just me showing another the obvious flip side! You cunt!
     
  5. SaintGeorge67

    SaintGeorge67 Well-Known Member

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    *reports spion to moderator*

    Is there a moderator in the house?
     
  6. Spionkop69

    Spionkop69 Get the cretins out! Member

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    [quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=47687.msg1433759#msg1433759 date=1322480373]
    *reports spion to moderator*

    Is there a moderator in the house?
    [/quote]

    *flicks bird at the manc*
     
  7. Dave

    Dave Very Active Member

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    [quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47687.msg1433752#msg1433752 date=1322479897]
    For me it is a coping mechanism that allows you to deal with the wider root causes. It allows you to the so called simple things like get up, wash, go to work and socialise. That means you have some free space to deal with the other things that can lead to depression.
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    Got ya. Well, Jon, I hope you sort your swede out ASAP and rid yourself of this particular infliction so that you can get on with enjoying life to the fullest again.
     
  8. Richey

    Richey Well-Known Member

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    [quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=47687.msg1433741#msg1433741 date=1322479457]
    The problem Is an awful lot of people do blag it. I'm not saying that's te case here obviously, but I see it happen all the time in our place, until their sick pay runs out, when they return better than ever.
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    They do indeed yes. Actually my girlfriend was telling me yesterday about a friend of her's who was signed off work for months with depression whilst he was trying to set up a new business. In the end the doctor wouldn't sign him off any longer, the business was taking longer than he expected to set up so he just handed his notice in.

    That is another problem where an illness is totally misunderstood and people don't really know how to deal with it. It makes it much easier for people to abuse the system. I honestly think that pretty much anyone who wants some time off work could walk into their doctors, claim they are depressed and get signed for a while.
     
  9. dmishra

    dmishra Very Well-Known Member

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    I guess the damage depression can do is something we've all seen at close quarters, whether through friends, family or acquaintances. We've all been through a rut ourselves, and know how terrible they can be. Can't imagine how it would be to have something like that affecting you on a permanent basis.

    Good luck to all dealing with it.
     
  10. SummerOnions

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    [quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47687.msg1433628#msg1433628 date=1322454622]

    They help you cope with the day to day and then you can put yourself in a place where you can deal with the wider issues - ie beating this illness. My bout continues because yet again I can't sleep and insomnia is a fucking torture.


    [/quote]

    Amen to that, I take about 4 hours to get to sleep sometimes, it's fucking horrible.
     
  11. StevieM

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    [quote author='Dave' link=topic=47687.msg1433726#msg1433726 date=1322478243]
    Is medication really the answer?? Is it a stop gap?? Or do some people stay on the tablets forever because if they stop taking the medication the depression comes back??
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    Maybe to all.

    I've been on sertraline for over 3 years. I probably haven't had much depression for the last 2. The drugs will have helped because the anxiety, the catastrophising, the self doubt & hating, the sleeping issues, the lack of energy, the suicidal thoughts.... They just haven't been pronounced.

    Have I cured myself - probably not - might never. I can't say for sure that I could manage stress without them because I haven't tried. All I can say for certain is that I've travelled such a long way away from a pretty dark place of a starting point.

    The very act of taking the step and going to a doctor and telling him I didn't know how I could cope was, as cheesie as it sounds, the first step to coping.

    I had finally made the decision to start coming off the pills a few weeks back. It's been on the cards for quite a while - it feels like giving up smoking in a way (except this stuff us doing the opposite of killing me).

    You can feel things changing when you come off them - it's strange - don't know how to describe it. Being on the pill that I take is good because the side effects are not as pronounced - there is no concentration issue or foggy head - all I find is that when anxiety builds it never gets to that point where it grips you and controls you.

    In a way it's about being able to say, "you know what, I have every right to be upset or hurt our worried or anxious about things - it's part of being human - but I won't be controlled by these feelings anymore - I'll understand why I'm feeling them and master them."

    It's likely that the conditions for a more acute depressive episode may exist, but I might be in a position to deal with it better.

    I was in the process of coming off them - started a few weeks back - but December us not the time to risking an anxiety attack - too busy. January might be a go.
     
  12. Rosco

    Rosco Worse than Brendan Honorary Member

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    When you get the anxiety attack Stevie how bad does that get ?
     
  13. Pesam

    Pesam Forum Moderator Forum Moderator

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    [quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47687.msg1433752#msg1433752 date=1322479897]
    [quote author='Dave' link=topic=47687.msg1433726#msg1433726 date=1322478243]
    Is medication really the answer?? Is it a stop gap?? Or do some people stay on the tablets forever because if they stop taking the medication the depression comes back??
    [/quote]

    For me it is a coping mechanism that allows you to deal with the wider root causes. It allows you to the so called simple things like get up, wash, go to work and socialise. That means you have some free space to deal with the other things that can lead to depression.
    [/quote]

    A friend of mine had depression for many years and needed consistent medication to function. He had a successful business and was married with 2 very young kids. They wanted a 3rd kid and he was told he would have to come off the medication to get his wife pregnant. She became pregnant and he decided he didn't need to go back on medication. He commited suicide and his funeral was very traumatic as he left his wife with 2 very young kids and heavily pregnant. Very, very sad.
     
  14. peterhague

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    [quote author=Pesam link=topic=47687.msg1433795#msg1433795 date=1322483945]
    [quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47687.msg1433752#msg1433752 date=1322479897]
    [quote author='Dave' link=topic=47687.msg1433726#msg1433726 date=1322478243]
    Is medication really the answer?? Is it a stop gap?? Or do some people stay on the tablets forever because if they stop taking the medication the depression comes back??
    [/quote]

    For me it is a coping mechanism that allows you to deal with the wider root causes. It allows you to the so called simple things like get up, wash, go to work and socialise. That means you have some free space to deal with the other things that can lead to depression.
    [/quote]

    A friend of mine had depression for many years and needed consistent medication to function. He had a successful business and was married with 2 very young kids. They wanted a 3rd kid and he was told he would have to come off the medication to get his wife pregnant. She became pregnant and he decided he didn't need to go back on medication. He commited suicide and his funeral was very traumatic as he left his wife with 2 very young kids and heavily pregnant. Very, very sad.
    [/quote]

    Dear God.
     
  15. Spionkop69

    Spionkop69 Get the cretins out! Member

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    [quote author=peterhague link=topic=47687.msg1433801#msg1433801 date=1322485064]
    [quote author=Pesam link=topic=47687.msg1433795#msg1433795 date=1322483945]
    [quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47687.msg1433752#msg1433752 date=1322479897]
    [quote author='Dave' link=topic=47687.msg1433726#msg1433726 date=1322478243]
    Is medication really the answer?? Is it a stop gap?? Or do some people stay on the tablets forever because if they stop taking the medication the depression comes back??
    [/quote]

    For me it is a coping mechanism that allows you to deal with the wider root causes. It allows you to the so called simple things like get up, wash, go to work and socialise. That means you have some free space to deal with the other things that can lead to depression.
    [/quote]

    A friend of mine had depression for many years and needed consistent medication to function. He had a successful business and was married with 2 very young kids. They wanted a 3rd kid and he was told he would have to come off the medication to get his wife pregnant. She became pregnant and he decided he didn't need to go back on medication. He commited suicide and his funeral was very traumatic as he left his wife with 2 very young kids and heavily pregnant. Very, very sad.
    [/quote]

    Dear God.
    [/quote]

    Yep indeed. I never used to understand suicide and have come out with the selfish line before. I'm starting to get an horrific insight to it. As I said to you on text this morning, Gary Speed's death and the whole, "he seemed ok hours before" has struck this massive chord with me.

    It kept me awake most of the night - well that and one neighbour slamming his front door loud enough to wake the dead.
     
  16. StevieM

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    [quote author=Rosco link=topic=47687.msg1433794#msg1433794 date=1322483923]
    When you get the anxiety attack Stevie how bad does that get ?
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    Depends - it can be brain racing not allowing me to settle enough to sleep - being overly figidy. I was at session once and if was commented that I was very fidgety and edgy - couldn't sit at peace or stop looking around. My blood pressure was taken and the nurse shit herself enough to say the thing must have been broken, get another one and then get a doctor when the result was much the same - I think they were considering admitting me for observation.

    I once took a panic attack before a law exam at uni and just simply couldn't attend.

    It could be pacing and feeling on the verge of hyperventilation.

    I've wanted to pull my hair out (not that I have any) - it's led to a complete loss of emotional control - curled up in a sobbing mess. It's made me run away from people or situations - like being out at a dinner and just have to leave.

    It's made me scared to interact with people. I had a really good friend years ago that called me on my mobile while I was not doing so well. I couldn't answer the phone and I was that anxious about having to see him that I deleted his number. He moved away shortly after and I never saw him again.

    It's made me angry to the point blind rage over nothing.

    These are all extreme - and generally linked to particular emotional trauma.

    The most common is the inability to sleep or rest, even though fucking tired. It's like being held in a vice - tossing, turning, thrashing about - up an down, almost scratching at your head go get it to leave you alone.

    Meds take the edge off - making a bout of insomnia feel manageable.
     
  17. Avmenon

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    [quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47687.msg1433805#msg1433805 date=1322485667]
    [quote author=peterhague link=topic=47687.msg1433801#msg1433801 date=1322485064]
    [quote author=Pesam link=topic=47687.msg1433795#msg1433795 date=1322483945]
    [quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47687.msg1433752#msg1433752 date=1322479897]
    [quote author='Dave' link=topic=47687.msg1433726#msg1433726 date=1322478243]
    Is medication really the answer?? Is it a stop gap?? Or do some people stay on the tablets forever because if they stop taking the medication the depression comes back??
    [/quote]

    For me it is a coping mechanism that allows you to deal with the wider root causes. It allows you to the so called simple things like get up, wash, go to work and socialise. That means you have some free space to deal with the other things that can lead to depression.
    [/quote]

    A friend of mine had depression for many years and needed consistent medication to function. He had a successful business and was married with 2 very young kids. They wanted a 3rd kid and he was told he would have to come off the medication to get his wife pregnant. She became pregnant and he decided he didn't need to go back on medication. He commited suicide and his funeral was very traumatic as he left his wife with 2 very young kids and heavily pregnant. Very, very sad.
    [/quote]

    Dear God.
    [/quote]

    Yep indeed. I never used to understand suicide and have come out with the selfish line before. I'm starting to get an horrific insight to it. As I said to you on text this morning, Gary Speed's death and the whole, "he seemed ok hours before" has struck this massive chord with me.

    It kept me awake most of the night - well that and one neighbour slamming his front door loud enough to wake the dead.
    [/quote]

    Did you stick the DVD in?

    Seriously though, i never used to understand why people took their own lives, but now I do...you just want the pain to stop and you think that as long as you live the pain will always be there...death is easier...

    I do think that from that point, there is still a long way to go before actually ending your life...but i think it's a start.

    My hope is that as long as I dont give up; things may get better and that keeps me going.

    I havent taken medication yet, its a lot harder here than in the UK...and theres a terrible stigma attached to it.

    But it it something I will look at.

    Coming on here has helped in many ways.
     
  18. darkstarexodus

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    The length of treatment varies a lot from person to person. Ideally you want to use the medication along with counselling, etc until the depression is in remission for a minimum of six months. At that point, in conjunction with your physician, you may make the decision to taper off. However, some people have a very difficult time tapering.off the medication, with even the smallest dose reductions triggering a return of symptoms. And some people, while benefitting from treatment, near really reach full remission of symptoms. So it can be a long term medication, as everyone's case is different, but it doesnt have to be. The key is to take it at the pace that works.for you and.not faster or slower because someone else did it that way. Again, being honest with your care provider helps him/her aid you in making these decisions.
     
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    [quote author=Avvy link=topic=47687.msg1433817#msg1433817 date=1322486326]
    [quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47687.msg1433805#msg1433805 date=1322485667]
    [quote author=peterhague link=topic=47687.msg1433801#msg1433801 date=1322485064]
    [quote author=Pesam link=topic=47687.msg1433795#msg1433795 date=1322483945]
    [quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=47687.msg1433752#msg1433752 date=1322479897]
    [quote author='Dave' link=topic=47687.msg1433726#msg1433726 date=1322478243]
    Is medication really the answer?? Is it a stop gap?? Or do some people stay on the tablets forever because if they stop taking the medication the depression comes back??
    [/quote]

    For me it is a coping mechanism that allows you to deal with the wider root causes. It allows you to the so called simple things like get up, wash, go to work and socialise. That means you have some free space to deal with the other things that can lead to depression.
    [/quote]

    A friend of mine had depression for many years and needed consistent medication to function. He had a successful business and was married with 2 very young kids. They wanted a 3rd kid and he was told he would have to come off the medication to get his wife pregnant. She became pregnant and he decided he didn't need to go back on medication. He commited suicide and his funeral was very traumatic as he left his wife with 2 very young kids and heavily pregnant. Very, very sad.
    [/quote]

    Dear God.
    [/quote]

    Yep indeed. I never used to understand suicide and have come out with the selfish line before. I'm starting to get an horrific insight to it. As I said to you on text this morning, Gary Speed's death and the whole, "he seemed ok hours before" has struck this massive chord with me.

    It kept me awake most of the night - well that and one neighbour slamming his front door loud enough to wake the dead.
    [/quote]

    Did you stick the DVD in?

    Seriously though, i never used to understand why people took their own lives, but now I do...you just want the pain to stop and you think that as long as you live the pain will always be there...death is easier...

    I do think that from that point, there is still a long way to go before actually ending your life...but i think it's a start.

    My hope is that as long as I dont give up; things may get better and that keeps me going.

    I havent taken medication yet, its a lot harder here than in the UK...and theres a terrible stigma attached to it.

    But it it something I will look at.

    Coming on here has helped in many ways.
    [/quote]

    It does help mate and people don't need to know. But it's also like has been mentioned it's only part if the process.

    My doctor at the time was very good at gently pushing me in to other support orientated things - like getting a hobby - seeing a therapist that could help work through. Vegan suggesting books to read.

    Anyone interested should try "Change Your Thinking" by Sarah Edelman. It's an Aussie book, so dont know how available it is but it's all about using cognitive behavior therapy to help overcome depression, anxiety, etc

    Helped me get started.
     
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    Y1 Klopp Kop Member

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    Avvy, seriously mate, hope you have circle of friends and medical help here in Malaysia. PM me if you need any help.
     

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