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Firmino, Salah, Mane

Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by Stevesquash, Aug 31, 2019.

  1. MaBigTip

    MaBigTip Very Active Member

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    I don't think that is as one sided as your think. Mane has been clearly better than Salah in 2019 for Liverpool. A poll would be closer than you think.
     
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    The outrage that the topscorer in a team was a bit selfish at 3-0 up, its like that never happens.

    They both want to score goals, they score goals and its all good with some passion.

    A nothing story.
     
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    Frogfish Gone to Redcafe Member

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    I want to hear Ryan's percentage first before I give you a Like.
     
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    ibromurph Well-Known Member

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    Personally I feel Salah's profile of player is a little easier to replace than Mane's. Although obviously both players are world class and replacing either would be difficult. This whole thing about Salah easily being our best player is rubbish.

    Salah has had 1 ridiculous goalscoring season when no one knew him and a lot of teams focused on stopping our then best player Coutinho/Mane.

    Since then and before then Mane has been our best attacker (player too before VVD came). Also Firmino isn't far behind. He really is the glue.

    What I do find telling is how greedy both Salah and Mane can be at times and the one man who never complains is Bobby. Despite the fact he set them both up with countless assists.

    I do think the greed between them could cost us a title. Last season I remember a few occasions when we almost dropped points because of Salah's greed. And the season before that, Mane cost us in a derby against Everton.
     
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  5. Silver Sean

    Silver Sean Well-Known Member

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    Imagine this amount of bullshit every time Souness or someone had a beef with a teammate. It’s a non story.
     
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  6. Modo

    Modo A contentious scando Member

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    Yes that's true, but I'm talking generally.
     
  7. bluebell

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    There is certainly a conversation to be had if we were to ask the question would we be more successful if Mane and Salah worked together more than competing to see who can get the most goals. There's been plenty of occasions where i lambasted both for not passing.
    Suarez once apologised to Sterling for scoring and not squaring it to him
     
  8. Insignificance

    Insignificance Bad to the bone Member

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    It's bout time to sell half of them
     
  9. rubans

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    Bobby is great and brilliant for the system but we don’t need all 3 like them. Salah is unique and his close control in the box was great to watch in the game . Strikers have to be able to take the chance and have the responsibility. Really don’t get the big issue, better get used to it because he’s going the same all season long. If he has the guts to take it on as per arsenal 3rd goal or Southampton winner last season then in my opinion carry on.


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    I think Mane is better currently and he is slightly more valuable to the team. He contributes goals and to our attacking play while also being ridiculously solid defensively. He's had a huge contribution in Robertson being the best LB in the world.

    However, I think Mane is at his utmost peak now. Salah seems to now be working on his final touches as a player... he is desperate to gain that advantage again to be that 40 goal a year player. But he currently has to have Bobby and Hendo doing a lot of his covering and his output in 2019 doesn't quite match Mane's. His tendency to be selfish instead of killing off games has so far been mildly infuriating.... but I can see it coming to a boil in a crunch game... and I remember similarly to @LTW.
     
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  11. Judge Jules

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    Somewhat strange timing for the various comments on Salah's "selfishness" above. He was starting to go that way in the latter part of last season but, so far this season when I've watched him, he's been less selfish rather than more as a general rule. There's never been a great striker who didn't have a streak of selfishness somewhere in his makeup anyway.
     
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    So we've got two strikers who both want the golden boot?

    What a wonderful 'problem' to have!

    I honestly have no issue with any of this, not Salah going for goal, or manes reaction.

    Now, if it were April & they were doing it, I'd be pissed off, but as we saw last season, when it matters they all know just the win matters.

    However, when you're 3-0 up, & top of the league, in August, if your striker who has proven he can be the best ever league goalscorer wants to be greedy, & your other striker wants to be just as greedy or angry he didn't get another goal, then I don't give a flying fuck.
     
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  13. moron

    moron i am legend Member

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    That is the ideal way to look at it, but unfortunately - I worry if there will be longer term consequences now that the feelings have been let out.
     
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    Ukrainian by marriage Active Member

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    I reckon its less likely there'll be longer term consequences now that feelings have been let out.

    Clear the air, in the open, full & frank discussion, etc., and who better than Jurgen to oversee it all ? :)
     
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    The gaffer has openly said he wants his players to be greedy and selfish. The players just need to get on with it. If we start dropping points because of it then it will become an issue.
     
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    If we start dropping points because of it, it will likely be too late...
     
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    Insignificance Bad to the bone Member

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    Individual scoring bonus should be replaced with a joint bonus
     
  18. moron

    moron i am legend Member

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    Oh dear - anyone watching MOTD2 just now ? - it got talked about again, and it looks like it was a case of Salah to Mane assists = 25, and Mane to Salah assists currently stands at 40+. They also showed some clips from last season - so you can understand Mane's frustrations.
     
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    Markeh Very Well-Known Member

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    Yea, the numbers shown were

    Passes, chances created, assists
    Mane to Salah 177, 43, 7
    Salah to Mane 172, 25, 4
     
  20. moron

    moron i am legend Member

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    Thanks for correcting me. Looks like MOTD are doing everything to keep Mane's reaction in the media just to dig it into Klopp regarding his comments in the post match press conference.
     

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