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Now a word of warning.. This is apparently an article from the *** that my Arsenal supporting mate sent me, but nonetheless I found it funny how an Arsenal employee could make such strong views on Liverpool's previous regime and its players that I thought it was a good point of discussion. I'd love to tell him to shut the fcuk up but a lot of what he says is so true, and very close to the majority of SCM opinion.

LIVERPOOL'S flops have been savaged by a blistering blast from one of the Kop's former coaches.

Frenchman Jacques Crevoisier, who spent two years at Anfield under Gerard Houllier, slammed the reign of Rafa Benitez - insisting the Spaniard's signings and policies have brought the club to its knees.
If that was not enough, Crevoisier also branded former owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett "a***holes" who treated Liverpool as their own private bank.

The educated 62-year-old, a qualified psychologist, now assists Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger with his squad. He has previously worked with Tottenham.

In an interview with French football magazine So Foot, Crevoisier said: "Liverpool's current failure is linked to three people - Benitez, Hicks and Gillett.
"Benitez is an excellent coach but he recruited over 60 players during his time in charge. And, apart from Fernando Torres, Javier Mascherano and Xabi Alonso, his signings across five years were pitiful.
"Benitez brought in a staggering amount of players and at some cost. He is a very good tactician but a very bad recruiter.
"His communications were weak and his links with the players did not work. When the team lost it would be the players' fault and, when they won, it would be thanks to him.
"People who were at the club at the same time as him told me he was a megalomaniac, with people having to pledge allegiance to his way of doing things.

"The three players I've mentioned don't require an army of scouts to tell you they are very good, while all the rest were average.

"Sotirios Kyrgiakos, a central defender for Liverpool? That does my head in.
"Lucas has been trying to make a name for himself for four years but we know he won't succeed. He is just not good enough, a very average player.
"There are too many such players at Liverpool. Ditto for Joe Cole - apart from a bit of technique, he has never been consistent.
"Let's not forget he spent most of his time on the bench at Chelsea and is on an enormous salary.
"It's a similar story for Christian Poulsen. I'm not a fan of his at all. Mascherano has more talent than Poulsen in one of his toes.
"Milan Jovanovic is a joke - there should be no place for him at Liverpool - while Philipp Degen and Maxi Rodriguez are rubbish.
"Great players don't come to Liverpool these days. Top players don't just join clubs for money, they also join to win trophies. And while some clubs offer both, Liverpool don't any longer.
"Steven Gerrard has carried the team for a long time but can't keep on going flat-out all the time.
"He and Torres must not be condemned as they have masked the inadequacies of their team-mates with extraordinary displays that they cannot reproduce in the long-term.

"Peter Crouch wanted to leave the club because he wanted to play matches. Benitez never changed his system irrespective of the players he had at his disposal.
"Crouch had to wait for Torres to break a leg before he got a game and Benitez virtually never picked them in the same team, so Crouch left to get playing time elsewhere."


And, ahead of Chelsea's visit to Anfield tomorrow, Crevoisier reckons new Reds boss Roy Hodgson is now paying the price for all of Benitez's errors.
He added: "Benitez got rid of Houllier's legacy, then installed Spaniards at all levels of the club and dismissed people who had been there for decades - including some who had played a part in the club's history.
"He practised a scorched earth policy towards his predecessors.
"Now, if you look at Benitez's legacy, you'll say his scouts were no good. Has he left the club in good health? No. Has he prepared for the future? No.
"Benitez is a charmer. He comes on TV with a nice smile but I'm not fooled.
"People at Liverpool told me 'Rafa is a lucky b*****d, he got his personal glory from a single half in Istanbul'.
"Yes, he's a good tactician. When Houllier and I were at Liverpool, we lost twice to his Valencia team.
"I also don't forget that he led the team to the Champions League final but people are very disappointed with his way of working.
"I'm very sad to see such a great club struggling in the table but I don't think they will go down. They will finish around 10th.
"As for Roy Hodgson, I have a lot of respect for him. He knew he was arriving during a transitional period for Liverpool.
"He worked miracles at Fulham and will need time at Liverpool - who are a legendary club - but he is the manager they need.
"We don't know what the club's new owners will bring but at least they have their own money.
"That is unlike Hicks and Gillett, those a***holes who came to make money off the back of football.
"Liverpool has human and historic dimensions and you can't consider it like a traditional business.
"The former chairman David Moores did not sell the club for financial reasons - and he hoped that the buyers would build a new stadium and invest in strengthening the team.
"I met him after the sale to Hicks and Gillett and he was disgusted. He told me, 'They bought the club on borrowed money, they came to make money by putting the club in danger and by using Liverpool's money to finance their own borrowing'.
"They almost brought the club down and I'm very happy to see that the courts in London authorised it to be sold.
"But, if I was asked to rejoin Liverpool's coaching staff, I would refuse because I want to be able to sleep peacefully at night.
"There is no miracle solution at Liverpool and the task is immense.
"It involves reorganising the club, restructuring the management team and choosing people of quality and class in key positions.
"The new owners must bring back stability and sufficient financial backing.
"A new stadium is a priority too and, above all, patience is required."
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He sounds very bitter - did Benitez sack him by any chance?
 
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=42621.msg1212440#msg1212440 date=1289012431]
He sounds very bitter - did Benitez sack him by any chance?
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Nope, he left in 2003 for 'family reasons'.
 
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=42621.msg1212440#msg1212440 date=1289012431]
He sounds very bitter - did Benitez sack him by any chance?
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Bitter? Every word he says is correct as far as im concerned.
 
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=42621.msg1212443#msg1212443 date=1289013190]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=42621.msg1212440#msg1212440 date=1289012431]
He sounds very bitter - did Benitez sack him by any chance?
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Bitter? Every word he says is correct as far as im concerned.
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Apart from being wrong in some of his assessments of players and failing to mention that while he was there the club brough in an awful lot of shite players as well.

I'd say Benitez has prepared for the future because we have a lot of talented youngsters at the club, some of whom look like they could very well make the step up.
 
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=42621.msg1212444#msg1212444 date=1289013938]
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=42621.msg1212443#msg1212443 date=1289013190]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=42621.msg1212440#msg1212440 date=1289012431]
He sounds very bitter - did Benitez sack him by any chance?
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Bitter? Every word he says is correct as far as im concerned.
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Apart from being wrong in some of his assessments of players and failing to mention that while he was there the club brough in an awful lot of shite players as well.

I'd say Benitez has prepared for the future because we have a lot of talented youngsters at the club, some of whom look like they could very well make the step up.
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Stevie, I find that to be exaggerated bollocks tbh. He spent a fucking FORTUNE on kids so I'd be pretty fucking pissed off if none of them made it, and who has?

Our best prospect looks like Shelvey and in his final days Rafa moaned about 'not knowing much about this signing'. Prepared well for the future? Well if two or three 'decent' level players out of about 40 that were bought is deemed as a success, then I'm fucked to be able to see where you're coming from.
 
Its bad when you look at it like that. 60 players and only Torres, Riena, Mascher and Alonso are good enough, 2 of them have left.
 
Players bought by Rafael Benítez

Player From Fee Date
Josemi Rey Malaga £2,000,000 26.07.2004
Antonio Nunez Real Madrid £1,500,000* 17.08.2004
Xabi Alonso Real Sociedad £10,700,000 20.08.2004
Luis Garcia Barcelona £6,000,000 20.08.2004
Mauricio Pellegrino Valencia Free 05.01.2005
Fernando Morientes Real Madrid £6,300,000 13.01.2005
Scott Carson Leeds United £1,000,000 21.01.2005
Boudewijn Zenden Free Transfer Free* 04.07.2005
Jose Reina Villareal £6,000,000 04.07.2005
Antonio Barragan Sevilla £240,000 04.07.2005
Mohamed Sissoko Valencia £5,600,000 14.07.2005
Peter Crouch Southampton £7,000,000 20.07.2005
Miki Roque Lleida Unknown 15.08.2005
Jack Hobbs Lincoln City £150,000* 18.08.2005
Besian Idrizaj LASK Linz £190,000* 22.08.2005
Mark Gonzalez Albacete £1,500,000* 20.10.2005
Paul Anderson Hull City Player Exchange* 01.01.2006
Jan Kromkamp Villareal Player Exchange* 04.01.2006
David Martin MK Dons £250,000* 12.01.2006
Daniel Agger Brøndby £5,800,000 12.01.2006
Robbie Fowler Man City Free 27.01.2006
Craig Bellamy Blackburn £6,000,000 01.07.2006
Gabriel Paletta Club Atlético Banfield £2,000,000 04.07.2006
Fábio Aurélio Valencia Free 05.07.2006
Jermaine Pennant Birmingham £6,700,000 26.07.2006
Dirk Kuyt Feyenoord £9,000,000 18.08.2006
Nabil El Zhar St Etienne £200,000 21.08.2006
Astrit Ajdarevic Falkenberg £750,000 11.01.2007
Daniele Padelli Sampdoria On Loan* 12.01.2007
Jordy Brouwer Ajax Undisclosed* 24.01.2007
Francisco Durán Malaga £66,000* 30.01.2007
Ãlvaro Arbeloa Deportivo £2,500,000 31.01.2007
Javier Mascherano West Ham On Loan 20.02.2007
Lucas Leiva Gremio £5,000,000 11.05.2007
Krisztián Németh MTK Hungaria Undisclosed 25.05.2007
Mikel Domínguez Athletic Bilbao £270,000 28.06.2007
Sebastian Leto Club Atlético Lanús £1,800,000 01.07.2007
Fernando Torres Atletico Madrid £20,200,000 04.07.2007
Andriy Voronin Leverkusen Free* 06.07.2007
Yossi Benayoun West Ham £5,000,000 12.07.2007
Ryan Babel Ajax £11,500,000 13.07.2007
Charles Itandje Lens Undisclosed 09.08.2007
Emiliano Insúa Boca Juniors £1,300,000* 26.08.2007
Lauri Dalla Valle JIPPO £600,000* 08.11.2007
Martin Skrtel Zenit St Petersburg £6,500,000 11.01.2008
Javier Mascherano Media Sports Investment £18,600,000* 29.02.2008
Philipp Degen Dortmund Free* 03.07.2008
Andrea Dossena Udinese £7,000,000 04.07.2008
Diego Cavalieri Palmeiras £3,500,000 11.07.2008
David N'Gog Paris St Germain £1,500,000 24.07.2008
Robbie Keane Tottenham £19,000,000 28.07.2008
Albert Riera Espanyol £8,000,000 31.08.2008
Glen Johnson Portsmouth £17,500,000 26.06.2009
Alberto Aquilani AS Roma £17,100,000* 07.08.2009
Sotirios Kyrgiakos AEK Athens £2,000,000 21.08.2009
Daniel Ayala Sevilla £160,000 17.09.2009
Maxi Rodriguez Atletico Madrid Free 12.01.2010
Jonjo Shelvey Charlton £1,700,000* 10.05.2010
Milan Jovanovi? Standard Liege Free* 08.07.2010

http://www.lfchistory.net/stats_transfers_by_manager.asp?list=Get&manager_id=20&InOut=1&submit1=Submit

He certainly bought a lot of average shite.
 
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[quote author=StevieM link=topic=42621.msg1212444#msg1212444 date=1289013938]
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=42621.msg1212443#msg1212443 date=1289013190]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=42621.msg1212440#msg1212440 date=1289012431]
He sounds very bitter - did Benitez sack him by any chance?
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Bitter? Every word he says is correct as far as im concerned.
[/quote]

Apart from being wrong in some of his assessments of players and failing to mention that while he was there the club brough in an awful lot of shite players as well.

I'd say Benitez has prepared for the future because we have a lot of talented youngsters at the club, some of whom look like they could very well make the step up.
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Stevie, I find that to be exaggerated bollocks tbh. He spent a fucking FORTUNE on kids so I'd be pretty fucking pissed off if none of them made it, and who has?

Our best prospect looks like Shelvey and in his final days Rafa moaned about 'not knowing much about this signing'. Prepared well for the future? Well if two or three 'decent' level players out of about 40 that were bought is deemed as a success, then I'm fucked to be able to see where you're coming from.
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Rubbish Mark - most of the youngsters he signed cost next to fuck all as you well know.

Wilson, Shevley, Pacheco, Ince, Suso, Sterling, Kelly, N'Gog, Bouzanis, Robinson, Ayalla... fuck I could go on, 'cause there's plenty more with potential to be more than 'decent'[ players

He may very well have made a pigs arse out of many things, but the raw materials that have been left in our youth system are as good as anything in the country.
 
I agree with 99% of what he has to say there, Rafa signed far too many players, most of whom have not improved the standard of the first team, huge numbers of them never even played for the first team, the wage bill is cripplingly over blown and for all the huge money outlayed on "starlets" under Rafa there are still no players breaking through

The irony is that while Rafa was a top coach he was appaling at player recruitment and would have benefitted immensely from a director of football type character that we have now to take that pressure off him. But as with many of his players Rafa couldnt see his own limitations and instead of delegating the things hes not good at he tries to control everything. Nobody expects a manager to do everything on his own, yet Benitez threatens to walk unless he is allowed to run absolutely everything and answer to nobody
 
[quote author=tombrown link=topic=42621.msg1212457#msg1212457 date=1289028416]
ffs - he uses cole & poulsen as 2 examples of poor buys by rafa!
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He doesnt he just refers to them to support his point on there being too many average players at the club.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42621.msg1212446#msg1212446 date=1289015718]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=42621.msg1212444#msg1212444 date=1289013938]
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=42621.msg1212443#msg1212443 date=1289013190]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=42621.msg1212440#msg1212440 date=1289012431]
He sounds very bitter - did Benitez sack him by any chance?
[/quote]

Bitter? Every word he says is correct as far as im concerned.
[/quote]

Apart from being wrong in some of his assessments of players and failing to mention that while he was there the club brough in an awful lot of shite players as well.

I'd say Benitez has prepared for the future because we have a lot of talented youngsters at the club, some of whom look like they could very well make the step up.
[/quote]

Stevie, I find that to be exaggerated bollocks tbh. He spent a fucking FORTUNE on kids so I'd be pretty fucking pissed off if none of them made it, and who has?

Our best prospect looks like Shelvey and in his final days Rafa moaned about 'not knowing much about this signing'. Prepared well for the future? Well if two or three 'decent' level players out of about 40 that were bought is deemed as a success, then I'm fucked to be able to see where you're coming from.
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yeah stevie you should think twice before coming out with exaggerated bollocks like that mate.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42621.msg1212461#msg1212461 date=1289030653]
He sounds like a lunatic and it is exaggerated bollocks.
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crevosier sounds like a lunatic?
 
As much as I lash Rafa, a lot of that is bollocks.

All of his signings apart from Torres, Alonso and Mascher were pitiful?

What about Reina, Luis Garcia, Arbeloa, Crouch, Krygiakos, Skrtel, Agger, Yossi, Maxi and even perhaps Magic?

Ok, Magic was overpriced and he's in a horrible rut of shit form, but he's not 'pitiful' as are none of the others. In fact, for £1.5M chuck Ngog in there as well.

As for the whole Champions League thing being luck - do we really have to go over that again?
 
I do think we need to move on lads, it's the same debate. Lot's of people in the know telling us what most of us have known about Rafa from the end of season 2, and lots of people who are not in the know disputing it.




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I agree with everything Crevoisier says except:

"Sotirios Kyrgiakos, a central defender for Liverpool? That does my head in."

Kyrgiakos has turned out to be one of Rafa's better signings.
 
Yep, their seems to be this view that 'he's a bit shit but he had a good game'

He's been having good games for 18 months now so when does the mindset change?
 
There's a lot to agree with in that article but you could pretty much say the same thing about Ged's time here. Just rewrite that article and replace the words 'Rafa Benitez' with 'Gerard Houllier', change the name of the signings to the ones Ged signed, remove any reference to G&H and it would be a largely correct article.

Ged and any coaches that worked with him here didn't do enough to have the right to have a pop at Rafa without looking a bit silly and bitter. I don't get why Ged and his coaches come across so bitter about Rafa really.
 
i wonder if it did good old jackie's head in seeing el-hadji diouf as a striker for liverpool. or biscan and diao as expensive central midfielders. or bernie diomede having an all-expenses paid 3 year holiday in the cheshire countryside.

or maybe he was too busy helping ged mastermind the £14m signing of future panathinaikos legend djibril cisse. gobshite.
 
He sounds like me after a half of shandy. Full of shit and bile.

I mean there is some truth to what he says, but it's all hidden in the hyperbole.

The only right thing to do after dropping these kind of lyrics is have a straightener. I think this cunt should offer Rafa out to settle it.
 
I think I might have been Jacques' ghostwriter.

I see some people disagree on the details of his comments, but not the general thrust of his arguments.
 
I cannot believe that Agger has been here for five years come January, and has only played around 125 games.

Guaranteed 25 games a season player. Great.

Carragher would have played about 250 games in that period. Daniel may be a great player when fit, but he's like Kirkland's slightly less injury prone brother.
 
i'm not sure if this is the best place to post this, but someone on twitter just gave a link to an old independent article from april 2000 about LFC possibly floating, and it mentioned that our most recent results showed a £5m loss on a turnover of £45m. can that possibly be right?! that'd be a quarter of current turnover of approx £180m!

if that's true, it would make the difference between houllier's and benitez's spending almost staggering: GH spent arond £20m net per season in 99 & 2000 - or around 45% of that t/o stated in the article. that'd be £80m net PER YEAR in today's money (although not, obviously, during all of rafa's time here). i'm not seriously suggesting that transfer fees have quadrupled in that time, but they're going to be very heavily linked to increases in turnover, no argument.

anyone who was involved with a regime going on that sort of splurge should be careful what they say about other people wasting money.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42621.msg1212461#msg1212461 date=1289030653]
He sounds like a lunatic and it is exaggerated bollocks.
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This.
 
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