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Kai Havertz wunderkind

Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by mwake, Sep 12, 2019.

  1. RedStar

    RedStar Well-Known Member

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    Id take Havertz over Sancho if that was the choice, I think Sancho now, like Mbappe, is pretty much as good as hes going to get where as players like Havertz tend to get better with more experience so hes probably got a higher ceiling in terms of potential.

    I also think hes a more realistic prospect than Sancho as he doesnt yet have the the same superstar in waiting type of profile. All indications are he will move next summer and we should be doing whatever it takes to bring him to Anfield, our current midfield is probably at the tipping point agewise and we need to start looking at building the next generation.

    Every once in a while you need to take a big risk and bet the farm on a special talent, I think hes that sort of player.
     
  2. juniormember

    juniormember Well-Known Member

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    How did you come to the judgement that Mbappe and Sancho can’t improve? That’s insane.
     
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    -Most hyped midfielder in Bundesliga
    - Bayern already tried last season
    - Reus and Brandt been tapping him up for Dortmund all summer
    -boyhood Barcelona fan

    0.2% chance friends.
     
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    Holle Please leave my town Member

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    They prefer the dosh first, like almost every other player.
     
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    Modo A contentious scando Member

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    But wouldn't they be making more money abroad? Or maybe it's about giving the league a few years then moving abroad?
     
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    It’s weird isn’t it. So many of their great players over the years have stayed in Germany/Bayern. But then so have the English players.
    Maybe Sane/Sancho is the start of something.
     
  7. Holle

    Holle Please leave my town Member

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    Bayern and Dortmund pay quite well too.
     
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    Modo A contentious scando Member

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    Yeah, I guess they rate their league a lot higher than people on the outside think. That being said a whole lot of German players have played abroad but they never left early like Sane. To see German u21s play abroad is still very rare.
     
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    Holle Please leave my town Member

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    Yes, quite. And maybe - I'm not sure about that though - they regard their chances to play for Germany higher when they play in the Bundesliga. Some players playing abroad have been overlooked in the past.
     
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    binomial Very Active Member

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    No room for them both.
     
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    Well for a start they are both excellent already so there isnt that much room for improvement, secondly they are players that rely heavily on blistering pace, that tends not to be something that improves as a player gets older, finally they play in a position where players tend to peak earlier.  Its not that the cant or wont get better, its that Id expect them to be much closer to the finished article, Havertz is probably still a couple of seasons away from his peak.
     
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    Sancho will improve like hell with his goal tally. He got 12 last season I think.
    With Mbappe the sky’s the limit.
     
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    And one’s a teenager, the other’s 20.
    It’s insane to say they’re pretty much at their peak. They may rely on their pace (which under normal circumstances would increase into their mid twenties, unless they get broken like Owen) but they’re highly skillful.
     
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    Reminds me of Ross’s dismissal of Messi 5 or 6 years ago. He was finished because he no longer took steroids or something. The following season he scored 50.
     
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    We can't really compete for money-wise with the big big clubs...but our profile has never been higher recent years wise.  We have the European cup, just won the Supercup and may win the world club cup in december.  VVD beats Messi and Ronaldo to win best euro player and other players are in the euro team of the year.  All this before talking about the pull of Klopp and a potential new deal with Nike which would increase our buying power.  If we can win the PL and/or CL again then our profile continues to rise. so why not dream big with players like Sancho and Havertz?  As I said earlier Athletico Madrid persuaded that wunderkind to go to them for 100m+ so  dont see why we cant do the same...

    Financially we are in a healthy state but the Nike deal could be crucial it gives us that extra bit of dough to be able to say, let go for it!  Lets go and get that guy for 100m+.  However, if I had my way would give Klopp 100m instead.


    PS - So far looks like Havertz having a frustrating game against Dortmund 3-0 Leverkusen
     
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    Saying that sancho and mbappe have peaked at such a young age, after such immense and repaid improvement, is nuts
     
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    Article: Bayer Leverkusen midfielder Kai Havertz's versatility makes the German youngster a force to reckon with and Juventus manager Maurizio Sarri believes the 20-year-old could become a European star in the future.

    Havertz has been instrumental in Leverkusen's bright start to the Bundesliga campaign, with his two goals and an assist helping them to stand only one point behind leaders Bayern Munich after six games.

    His ability to play either as a winger or an attacking midfielder in various formations has caught Sarri's eye and the Italian said he was impressed with Havertz's technical skills ahead of Tuesday's Champions League clash in Turin.

    "He is a player who combines excellent physical qualities with great technical skills," Sarri told reporters on Monday. "At the moment they are using him mainly as an attacking midfielder behind the central forward or as a winger.

    "I think he is a complete player that could also play as a midfielder. He is a player born in 1999... with those qualities and with that personality it makes you think it is certain he will become... one of the most important players in Europe."

     
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    That's a lot to conclude from what is effectively 6 seconds of skills
     
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    I actually concluded he's not that great, based on a complex analytical algorithm I've developed from years of watching shit speculative highlight reels.  The character of shit music, the ratio of replay to goal, the amount of replays of one thing, the shit tapin technique, it's all gone in there and been processed.
     
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    doctor_mac My cowboy name is Garland Justice Moderator

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    Assisting a goal with his back. Jeez.
     

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