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Liverpool v Leeds United - Match Thread

Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by FoxForceFive, Sep 12, 2020.

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  1. FoxForceFive

    FoxForceFive Administrator Administrator

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    As I told my TWELVE YEAR OLD son, you don't judge players on a few games, & you definitely dont do so if they've already proven their quality in the past for you.

    Both Bobby & Allison have more than proven their worth, & Allison made himself known enough today to make think he'll be fine.
     
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    gene hughes Part of the Furniture Member

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    the Doc is right.

    COOK YOUR SHITE PROPERLY PEOPLE.
     
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    doctor_mac My cowboy name is Garland Justice Moderator

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    You don't want to overcook it either like.
     
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    Im less concerned by VvD and Allison, yes theyve been uncharacteristically sloppy of late but I think a swift kick up the arse will resolve it, if it continues then it may be time to get concerned.

    Firmino is a different issue altogether, hes been mostly poor to mediocre for the last 12 months except a puprle patch around Christmas. He never really looks like scoring any more and some of his play has become really self indulgent, pointless flicks and casually misplaced passes are too common. Hes playing every game as if we have a 3 goal lead.
     
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    I know we are all about negativity at the moment but I was quite impressed at how many times Jones won the ball.
     
  6. FoxForceFive

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    Jones did well when he came on, but I thought Keita did well too & most people think he was shite, so I'm doubting my ability to rate players TBH!
     
  7. FoxForceFive

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    Bobby is a concern.

    He's still occupies space though, which is his primary job, even if we don't recognise that. That allows Salah to wreak havoc & Mane to get past defenders. It's almost impossible to quantify with stats, like Gini's role is, but it does make a difference.
     
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    Yes. Long car rides.
     
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    Keita was good as was Jones when he came on. There seems to be an inbuilt bias against Keita at this point where if he has a decent but unspectacular game he gets slated
     
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    FWIW I'm not blindly defending him, Bobby did nothing of note for me today, but his overall play often matters more.
     
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    I like Jones. Hungry and fearless. Like a young Stevie.

    Allison - well....what do you expect when you train with the likes of Careless Karius ?
     
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    And I’m not judging their entire career to date or into the future. I’m judging on their current form which stinks. Firmino more so who has been poor for a long time. Can they reproduce again in the future? Sure and I’m confident they will be but at the moment both are poor.
     
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    Jones could have a breakout season. Here’s hoping.
    Our midfield was too easily played through.
     
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    Jones added a body in the final third for us. He was always in and around trying to be the third man to form the triangle for us to do some quick passing. The Leeds defence couldn't cope after he came on and he was somewhat instrumental in our win.
     
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    True...

    Also I think there is an overreaction... We still in preseason mode, fitness is being built up...

    Leeds looked sharp because they finished their league business early...

    Also the way we pay it takes a lot out of our midfield... Not many teams who play like us keep doing it year after year...even Klopp's Dortmund burnt out... This time I think Klopp will want to have learnt from previous situation, Klopp always seems to have a new tactical tweak each season so maybe the players are still getting used to it as well.

    We won so that's all that matters
     
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    the count SCM's least favourite muppet Honorary Member

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    A more convincing argument would have been "Dreamy agrees with you"
     
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    Er...what happened?
     
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    Didn't he come racing out at one point and force one of their strikers away from the goal? That was quick, decisive and shut down a chance. As for the goals, I was surprised when the first one went in, but two of our defenders came in from different directions to block it and failed, and the strike was excellent, so I'm not inclined to blame him much for that; the second was a VVD howler; and the third came from the striker really cleverly using two players in front as shields and then hitting a great shot - I don't think any keeper would have seen that earlier or saved it. So I don't think he's done much wrong. It's that back four that's the problem.
     
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    Yeah, I'm not blaming Alisson for any of the goals. It's just weird not seeing him save everything these days.
     
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    ... but not as early as us
     
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