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Poor the Emre..

Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by The Nomad, Sep 4, 2019.

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  1. Modo

    Modo A contentious scando Member

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    Firmino is better. Maybe not a better striker, but definitely a better footballer. No fucking doubt.
    And I love Ketchup.
     
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    Ukrainian by marriage Active Member

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    Its a problem when people confuse ketchup with brown sauce. Torres couldn't replace Bobby.

    Is he better than Sadio or Mo ? Hmmmmm.
     
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    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Member

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    God, we're at that point where a player - in this case Firmino - is so amazingly important and amazing and important, that no player in Liverpool's rich striking history could even get in the team ahead of him. Maybe no player in the WORLD>

    Torres, in his first season, was one of the most devastating strikers on the planet. Firmino has just hit 50 Premier league goals, Torres scored that in half as many games.
    Now, I know they are different players and I know "systems" and all that, but let's at least be reasonable.

    Reminds me a bit of that poll where Liverpool fans said they'd prefer Momo Sissoko to Lionel Messi.
     
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    Modo A contentious scando Member

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    Kevin Philips scored 30 goals in his first Premier League season. I'd pick a one legged Firmino ahead of him.
    Point is, with Salah and Mané scoring for fun, getting Firmino to score in addition to the hard work he does facilitating them, is just an added bonus.
     
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    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Member

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    I'm not talking about Kevin Phillips. Why are you talking about Kevin Phillips? Do you think him and Torres were equally good players?
     
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    doctor_mac My cowboy name is Garland Justice Moderator

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    I think Gerrard would be terrific in the Firmino false nine position. In fact, I don't doubt he'd be better than Bobby despite my adoration for the Brazilian. Gerrard would play Mane and Salah through time and again with his incredible passing range, he'd pick the ball up deep and drive at the opponents, and of course, he would outstrip Bobby considerably in terms of shooting, especially from outside the box (something Bobby gets a fair few opportunities to do, but that he has irregularly capitalised on). He'd also be able to use his energy, strength and ball control to be a constant source of trouble in much the way Bobby does.
     
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    Ukrainian by marriage Active Member

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    I'm sure you're not saying that Sadio and Mo are not currently two of the most amazing strikers on the planet ?

    Yes, Torres was a better striker than Bobby is. Virgil is a better centre back than Bobby. Fabs is a better CM. As you say, "systems" - but discussing players in a team without a system of some sort makes the discussion less meaningful.

    All hypotheticals of course. :)
     
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    Modo A contentious scando Member

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    Hmm interesting I didn't really consider Gerrard playing as a false nine.
    That could actually work, and if Klopp got a young Gerrard that he could mould, even better.
     
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    Modo A contentious scando Member

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    You used goals to make your point. Philips got goals a plenty, I'm just trying to highlight that it's not only about the goals.
    I don't there's a right or wrong here.
    Torres was fantastic in Benitez system, Firmino probably wouldn't have been.
     
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    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Member

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    Mane and Salah aren't central strikers really
     
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    doctor_mac My cowboy name is Garland Justice Moderator

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    Neither is Bobby though. He is an AM converted into a false nine. Torres wouldn't be very good in his position. He would excel in Salah's position though.
     
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    Markeh Very Well-Known Member

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    This is morphing into a fantasy front 3 thread

    Mane Gerrard Salah?

    Suarez Torres Salah?
     
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    doctor_mac My cowboy name is Garland Justice Moderator

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    Bahahaha!

    This post needs some lovin'
     
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    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Member

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    It would actually appear that neither Gerrard, Torres, Suarez, Kevin Phillips or ANYONE ever could improve on the current front three of Liverpool.

    Which is nice
     
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    He's not exactly popular these days but I reckon Suarez could bench any of them
     
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    Kenny as a false 9 ? :)
     
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    Farkmaster Very Well-Known Member

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    For sure. And I think of the three we have, Salah is the most replaceable, but I tend to think he's overrated for some strange reason.
     
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    Getting angry in advance about something no-one will say ...
     
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    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Member

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    "would a midfield 3 of Mascherano, Alonso and Gerrard work in the current Klopp system.
    Mascherano would, not sure about Alonso and Gerrard. Not really 90 minute chasers them two"

    Next
     
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    I think people get far too hung up on the idea of what a Klopp player / midfielder is.

    The idea that Klopp couldn't or wouldn't want to make use of players like Alonso / Gerrard in their prime does him a disservice.
     
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