Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by The Nomad, Sep 4, 2019.
Klopp would have loved Dirk.
It does them more of a disservice. But then we always do this when the rapture strikes. Even Rodgers had a bit of this
Anyway back to Emre Can. Hahahahaha. Poor sod
Everyone loves Dirk. He is still too slow for a Klopp system.
Our system rely on them getting into goalscoring positions. I don’t have any stats or so but I think you would find them in a strikers position quite often. Could we ask Torres to operate the same way? Probably as he seem to love running down behind defence and had extreme skills to go along. Could we ask him to keep dropping deep and do the role Firmino does? I have doubts if we got the best of him then.
Gerrard's biggest 'problem' is that he would almost continually press & tackle all over the pitch, when every manager he played under wanted him to be more restrained & play in a certain part of the pitch.
Playing under Klopp I have no doubt that he'd have the freedom to do at least most of that, & the continual running required would satisfy his urge to always be involved too.
He'd shine under any system the game has ever been played in, but fuck, he's practically tailor made for the way we play now.
Alonso was always among the top 3 runners while he played for us so him not putting in work is about as accurate as "all he does is pass"
I liked Can but we could never properly find his role in that midfield three. Scored in some big games and was capable of exceptional moments (that goal we scored that was about 4 or 5 1-2s down the pitch in a CL game). I don't feel any animosity for him and think he's been treated like crap here if he wasn't warned of being left out. He would be a great addition for other lesser CL teams in Europe.
Covering ground doesn't always equate to being tactically aware though. When we played Gerrard and Alonso in the middle at Arsenal (and in Istanbul), both were fucking dire as a partnership, they left holes everywhere and we got destroyed as a result. Alonso did put his foot in and he also worked hard, but he could also go missing too when the chips were down, particularly early on in his Liverpool career. He was brilliant obviously, but he had flaws he had to work on, so did Gerrard.
Rafa's decision on Gerrard was two-fold. He saw that he couldn't always be relied on in particular setups as a more orthodox central midfielder, and he knew if he lifted the shackles off him, he would do more damage to the opposition. His record on the right and then behind Torres saw him reach his full potential, which was no surprise to anyone really.
This is what I was trying to say.
The good thing with Gerrard is that he did learn some tactical discipline from playing at right back, then in central midfield and covering various defensive positions early on in his career, then latterly (for better or worse) in the holding role. But like with Emre, you can't always fully instill that instinct in a player, you can work on it and improve it, but some players just aren't naturally that way inclined.
Gerrard was a scouser, had played on shitty parks of a weekend in the freezing cold and so was dogged and able to have a bit of bite in his game when needed, Can just reminds me of Glen Johnson - quite alot of raw talent that's undercut by a unshakable tendency to just not concentrate and to easily forget tactical discipline.
Yeah but he wouldn't play that way in our current system hence why i used the example of ox and keita as the role he would play. He would be in the midfield 3 in a more disciplined role.
I think it was more that he needed quite a bit of time to find the rythm and freshness to perform on a high Level. He was a bit injured and allways needed quite a few games to find his matchfitness upon return. He could easily play a handful very good matches when he found his rytm but he often seem heavylegged and a bit static.
Fuck him regarding CL. He is one of those who tought Liverpool was good because of him and forgot that he looked good because of Liverpool.
Gerrard and disciplined roles...I don't know.
Would 2014 Suarez, replacing Bobby in our front 3, make us a better overall TEAM? Would he combine with Salah & Mane to score more combined goals than our current trio? Or would Suarez and Salah be too greedy for Mane to put up with. Would we lose something defensively?
I would love to have added him in with a vintage Gerrard, operating in Hendos current position, right side in the midfield 3.
Trent - Matip - Virgil - Robbo
He played central midfield in the 2003-4 season and was magnificent.
But his best seasons were behind the striker and in right mid?
He carried us to the Champions League places almost by himself that season. He scored more goals when further forward, but being deeper allowed to him to rip teams up with his long passing and make his typical crunching challenges.
That Torres - Gerrard combination