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The Lions 2013

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Rosco, Apr 30, 2013.

  1. Jürgen4PM

    Jürgen4PM Well-Known Member

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    Where BOD is concerned people are living in the past. He's given a shed load of penalties away and has offered absolutly nothing going forward in the two tests he's played in. In terms of carries and metres gained as of last week he was on 6 carries and not once did he get over the gain line, after today i think his MG stats have probably gone into the minus. His kicking has been poor, not once have i seen him beat a man, passing has been average to say the least and his offloading skills have been nowhere to be seen.

    If all we're looking for from his position is a tackler, then we might as well select Brad Barritt.
     
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    Jürgen4PM Well-Known Member

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    James Corrigan (Telegraph):

    "The Australia pack actually took a scrum against the head, while their revered back row were outplayed by the dynamic pair of Sam Warburton and Dan Lydiate. (Memo to every coach, anywhere. If you have the chance and they are both fit, play them. They compliment each other to rugby perfection)."
     
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    StevieM SCM's resident Beer Nazi, Wine Snob & Comic Geek Honorary Member

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    I can tell you that Brisbane was practically drunk dry last weekend, & Melbourne's getting pounded at the minute.

    For me, running a Melbourne CBD sport focused bar that is close to the MCG - this is significantly bigger than any sporting event I've come across, including the AFL Grand Final - in terms of what I've seen come through my door.
     
  4. LarryHagman

    LarryHagman Well-Known Member

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    It's a good job (1) Deans won't pick Cooper (2) that centre got knocked out last week, or this series would be well done and dusted by now.
     
  5. Rosco

    Rosco Worse than Brendan Member

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    O'Driscoll is in on reputation, no doubt about it.

    It's a credit to him that he reinvented himself after he lost his pace by toughening up, improving his defence, his rucking for turnovers etc and maintained his smart game. His passing, timing, kicking game are all exceptional but he's not a threat as a runner any more. A 13 needs to be a threat in his own right or he's potentially a liability. At this stage Davies offers enough at 13 to justify dropping BOD., but Roberts has to be the 12 in this team.

    Tuilagi'a hands aren't good enough yet and he's still easily fooled in defence
     
  6. Judge Jules

    Judge Jules SCM Addict Member

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    Agree with all of that (though he made a poor kick towards the end of yesterday's game which didn't help) but I wonder if Gatland may feel he has to be skipper next weekend if Warburton doesn't make it.
     
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    Jürgen4PM Well-Known Member

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    I take it most of those have been British and Irish Lions fans mate?

    How did it go when Delve and Shane came in?
     
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    Rosco Worse than Brendan Member

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    O'Brien in please.


    Gatland needs to be brave with his team selection. We need to see a min of 3 changes in the pack and 2 in the backs.


    I see that the case against Horwill has been adjourned........................................


    I get the feeling that he's going to get away with this again.
     
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    Jürgen4PM Well-Known Member

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    Horwill is cleared again.

    The IRB had all the evidence that htey needed before they decided to appeal the original outcome, yet they decide to clear him. This stinks and you just know that they either bottled it or took a sweetner.

    It's official, stamping on a players head is now ok.
     
  11. Rosco

    Rosco Worse than Brendan Member

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    I think it's time we go for broke. The ball carrying up front hasn't been great, the lineout isn't going to be great whoever we put in it. So lets put a grafting, ball carrying pack on the field. The game plan hasn't worked at all, we need to take the ball out of the scrum halves hands as much as possible and give Sexton quick ball so the midfield are given a chance to get over the gain line.


    Corbs - Youngs - Jones

    --AW--- Gray ----

    Lydiate --- O'Brien --- Tipuric

    Youngs ---- Sexton


    --North ----- Roberts --- Davies --- Bowe

    --------------------1/2p
     
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    Is it actually the IRB which has cleared him though?  I don't know the process in detail, but can't see how it could involve them appealing against a decision which they themselves had the power to overturn.

    Whoever made the decision, it's garbage.
     
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    Jürgen4PM Well-Known Member

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    My choice:

    Corbs (pleaqse let him be fit)
    Youngs
    Jones
    AW Jones
    Evans
    Lydiate
    O'Brien
    Falatue
    Phillips
    Sexton
    Roberts
    Davies
    North
    Bowe
    Halfpenny

    Reps: Cole, Vunipola, Hibbard, Croft, Gray, Youngs, Farrel and Tuilagi
     
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    Jürgen4PM Well-Known Member

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    Very much a forwards based game please Mr Gatland.
     
  15. Ryan

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    WOW.

    Alun Wyn Jones to captain Lions team as Brian O'Driscoll misses out

    • Wales forward to replace Sam Warburton
    • Brian O'Driscoll not in matchday 23

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    Brian O'Driscoll (left) will miss out on a Lions side captained by Alun Wyn Jones. Photograph: Action Images/AAP
    Warren Gatland has chosen 10 Wales players for Saturday's final Test against Australia in Sydney with the 134-cap Brian O'Driscoll among the casualties. Alun Wyn Jones will lead a side containing seven changes, one positional, from last weekend's defeat.
    O'Driscoll, who is on his fourth and last Lions tour, was the leading candidate to replace the injured captain Sam Warburton, not least because he was in charge of the team in 2005 and has worn the armband twice on this tour. But with the bid for the series being overwhelmingly Welsh, Jones – who led Wales in Italy in 2009 under Gatland but has been overlooked since for the permanent position – is charged with invoking the spirit that took the men in red to the Six Nations title against England in Cardiff last March.
    Jonathan Davies is moved to outside-centre to accommodate Jamie Roberts, who missed the first two Tests because of a hamstring injury. Mike Phillips returns at scrum-half after missing Melbourne because of a knee complaint, while the front and back rows are beefed up.
    Alex Corbisiero returns at prop, Richard Hibbard starts his first Test at hooker, while in the back row Sean O'Brien takes over from Warburton on the open-side with Toby Faletau ousting Jamie Heaslip at No8. Geoff Parling held on in the second row, although Richie Gray has been promoted to the bench.
    The emphasis will be on power with Roberts, Phillips, Hibbard, Faletau and O'Brien all giving ball-carrying options to a side that did not make one line break in Melbourne. The emphasis will be on getting over the gainline and moving the ball quickly: Justin Tipuric and Manu Tuilagi are on the bench to offer thrust in the final quarter, a period when Australia have been the stronger in the series.
    "It all comes down to Saturday," said Gatland. "Winner takes all. We know we can leave nothing in the tank and that only a complete performance will get us across the line. Picking this team was not easy and ultimately with several players available after recovering from injury the head overruled the heart in many selection decisions.
    "It has been a challenging tour and we have had our fair share of injuries but we always knew that would be the case. Brian O'Driscoll is a great player and has had a wonderful career but for the final Test in Sydney we just felt Jamie Roberts's presence offered us something more. Mike Phillips and Alex Corbisiero were first Test selections and would probably have played in the second Test if not for injury. Richard Hibbard, Toby Faletau and Sean O'Brien have also earned their starting places."
    Davies has been preferred to O'Driscoll, reward for his form here, although the Irishman formed a successful partnership with Roberts in South Africa four years ago. If Melbourne proves to be the end of his 14-year international career, it would be an anticlimactic way for one of the outstanding players of any era to exit.
    Gatland has never been one for sentiment. Selection this tour has appeared to be a collaborative process but Saturday's team, with the exception of Parling, the leader of the line-out in the second Test, has the New Zealander's stamp. The Lions will take on Australia physically and look to grind them down, knowing that the referee Romain Poite will allow them to scrummage and be less fussy than the two previous referees at the breakdown.
    "The Lions will be different with Roberts," said the Australia flanker Ben Mowen. "He offers a different threat with ball in hand to what we have come up against so far, but our defensive organisation is one of the biggest strengths of our game and we always back ourselves."
    The Test is a sell-out with the Australian Rugby Union trying to persuade the ANZ Stadium authorities to add some more seats to take the capacity up to 84,000.
    "The demand is incredible and 390,000 fans will have paid to have watched the Lions this tour," said Bill Pulver, the ARU chief executive. "That is 30% up on 2001 and shows how popular this series is."
    British and Irish Lions team to play Australia

    15-Leigh Halfpenny (Wales), 14-Tommy Bowe (Ireland), 13-Jonathan Davies (Wales), 12-Jamie Roberts (Wales), 11-George North (Wales), 10-Jonathan Sexton (Ireland), 9-Mike Phillips (Wales), 8-Toby Faletau (Wales), 7-Sean O'Brien (Ireland), 6-Dan Lydiate (Wales), 5-Geoff Parling (England), 4-Alun Wyn Jones (captain, Wales), 3-Adam Jones (Wales), 2-Richard Hibbard (Wales), 1-Alex Corbisiero (England)
    Replacements - 16-Tom Youngs (England), Mako Vunipola (England), 18-Dan Cole (England), 19-Richie Gray (Scotland), 20-
    Justin Tipuric (Wales), 21-Conor Murray (Ireland), 22-Owen Farrell (England), 23-Manu Tuilagi (England)​
     
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    Jürgen4PM Well-Known Member

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    That's a powerful looking side.

    Hopefully with a northern hemisphere ref we'll now be allowed to scrum, and with Hibbard and Corbs back in the lineup we should dominate this area of the game.

    With Faletau and O'Brien in we have two physical lumps, who will add some much needed ball carrying ability to the team.

    Phillips needs a big game. He simply can't choose to make his runs when we take front ball from the lineout (he'll get smashed again). A smart game please, feed your forwards, feed your backs and break when the Aussie back row are not there waiting for you.

    Roberts is in to get over the gain line it's as simple as that (it's also why tuilagi is on the bench  instead of BOD imo). The lineout was dodgy when we tried to go to the back in the second test, sso I fully expect us to go short much more again in this test and simply use Roberts as a battering ram in order to bring our backs into play. He doesn't need to make clean breaks, just enough to put the aussie defence on the backfoot. If he's not doing it well enough or his hammy goes, then we have a ready made replacement the bench.

    Phillips in for Youngs was always going to happen if Mike was fit. Phillips has had some shocking runs of form in a welsh shirt, but Gatland has always stuck with him. Hopefully Phillips repays the faith that Gatland has shown in him.
     
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    The players knew what the team was before they had a training session today. At the end of the session BOD went straight over to Roberts and Davies ands asked if they'd like to do any extras.

    Not only was he a superb player, but he's obviously a top bloke as well.
     
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    I'm no rugby expert, but I do know that pinning every last hope you've got on the Welsh is not a fullproof strategy.

    Gatland's gonna look like the biggest fucking chump in history if this backfires.
     
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    I think it's a better looking line-up but don't forget the Aussies beat Wales 3-0 last year. Albeit in 3 close games.

    Not been particularly impressed with this Lions team/squad to be honest. NZ & SA would have put 30-odd+ on the Aussies last week.
     
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    What selections don't you agree with Ryan?
     

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