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Tiger Woods

Ryan

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I had the pleasure of watching him play a round of Golf on Saturday in the Australian Masters (which he went on to win by 2 shots).

Anyone else ever seen him play in the flesh? What did you think?

It was easily one of the most memorable sporting moments I've ever witnessed. He played shite by his standards (shot an even par 72) but to see up close the distance he hits a fucking golf ball was remarkable. Nice guy too, chatted a fair bit, and threw in the odd joke. Quite how he copes every week with tens of thousands of supporters clamouring after him for 4 hours is beyond me.

I saw Federer at his peak a few years ago, watching Woods on Saturday far surpassed that. He's an absolute genius.
 
Tiger has been pure class during this Aus trip. The pressure on the bloke is amazing yet he still performs time after time. He has seemingly always found time for his fans during this comp, on and off course, and has been very courteous about the course, the Country and the people while he's been here. Superb.
Mind you, I would be for the dosh they gave him. But still...
 
Very true Larry.

I couldn't believe how he kept his composure so will despite all going off around him. nor could I believe how far he can hit a fucking golf ball. Quite staggering, and one of the most amazing things I've ever seen.
 
Yeah Tiger was my hero in many ways but I've lost all respect for him after cheating on his wife with a host of cheap hookers, porn stars and hostesses.

I despise a guy who cheats on his wife. I don't care what ppl say in defense of this fast-becoming acceptable norm of society, but in my eyes, you're still a major cunt to cheat on your spouse. How can he fcuking do this to his kids as well ??

I hope his career crumbles in spectacular demise.
 
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Yeah Tiger was my hero in many ways but I've lost all respect for him after cheating on his wife with a host of cheap hookers, porn stars and hostesses.

I despise a guy who cheats on his wife. I don't care what ppl say in defense of this fast-becoming acceptable norm of society, but in my eyes, you're still a major cunt to cheat on your spouse. How can he fcuking do this to his kids as well ??

I hope his career crumbles in spectacular demise.
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What were the ways he was a hero to you, other than his ability to hit a little ball?

From the second he entered into the public consciousness, he's been a carefully crafted ad campaign. How could you know anything about him to feel he was a hero, or feel let down?
 
Oh. My. Gawd.

Is there anything I say that you lot will not be critical of ?

Roger - "I like the colour of blue"
Rest of 6CM - "What made you like blue ? Why not black or yellow ? Do you know much about other colours or do you even know the in-depth significance of blue, to know what colour you'd prefer most ?"

bloody 'el
 
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Oh. My. Gawd.

Is there anything I say that you lot will not be critical of ?

Roger - "I like the colour of blue"
Rest of 6CM - "What made you like blue ? Why not black or yellow ? Do you know much about other colours or do you even know the in-depth significance of blue, to know what colour you'd prefer most ?"

bloody 'el
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I asked a question, I wasn't having a go, despite what you might think. You give plenty of legitimate reasons to be critical, that I'll never need to invent one.

I completely understand admiring someone who is the best in the world at what they do.

That seems like one way of admiring them to me. Wow, aren't they dedicated and capable of an incredibly rare excellence...

It sees to me you can only admire Tiger for being very good at golf, because that's the only way you actually know him.

And hero perhaps isn't the best choice of words.

He's an idiot. If you are absurdly rich and in the public eye, don't live in a housing development where the end of your driveway is public property and the cops can come in. If you are absurdly rich and have cheated on your wife an unbelievable amount of times, don't pay her off to stay with you, don't reopen your prenup. I'm sure that's what his PR handlers are telling him to do, but at what point do you just make a sensible personal decision, rather than trying to shore up a completely devastated hollow public image?
 
Read carefully what I said.

He WAS a sporting hero to me because of the way he plays and the mental prowess that sets him apart from all his competitors. In fact I dare claim that he *is* the best ever player to ever grace the game and even Jack Nicklaus, arguably the best ever before Tiger appeared, admitted himself that Tiger was better than himself at that age and will surpass his achievements. And he was a good role model to the young uns, albeit now that we know that was all just his PR team doing a great job.

But all that is irrelevant now cos of the expose

But all that
 
Sporting hero is different than "hero in many ways". Hence my post. Well, also boredom.
 
A carefully crafted public image indeed.........



Tiger caught by the tales

His actions may have taken a three-iron to his fiercely guarded spotless image, but as long as Tiger Woods keeps winning, too many people have a stake in his success for the damage to last, writes GEORGE KIMBALL




THE FORMER Elin Nordegren can hardly have been pleased by those photographs of her husband with Rachel Urchitel in the National Enquirer two days earlier, but that wasn’t what set her on the warpath. Even in the face of evidence to the contrary, Urchitel was still denying everything, but it has been reported that in search of independent confirmation, Elin picked up Tiger Woods’s mobile phone. Exactly what she found remains unknown, but within hours a panic-stricken Woods was leaving a voicemail on Jaimee Grubbs’s answering machine, asking her to remove her name from her voicemail message.

By midnight, according to the reports, the row was in full swing, and by 2am, Woods was trying to flee the premises.

We don’t want to spoil anyone’s illusions, but it should probably be noted that Woods was neither the first nor the last man for whom the life of a professional golfer provided unlimited opportunities for extramarital sex. Woods was engaging in a tradition nearly as old as the tour itself. What has set him apart from his forebears and the Generation X golfers who have followed him is that, technologically speaking, Woods came of age at precisely the wrong time.

The golfers who were chasing women when he joined the professional ranks in 1996 – some of them just a few years his senior – did so without the benefit of mobile phones and laptops. Many of them would, to this day, be befuddled by a text message.

And while those who came along after Woods grew up in the age of multi-tasking and iPhones, they were also savvy enough to recognise the need for discretion, aware that even erased e-mails and text messages can leave a footprint, and that if push ever came to shove, somebody might subpoena your hard drive.

The “Tiger†nickname was given to him by his father when he was but a club-swinging toddler. However, in his college days at Stanford, Eldrick Tont Woods was known to his golfing team-mates as Urkel, after the socially awkward character who represented the quintessential nerd on the TV sitcom, Family Matters.

The teenage Woods was far from a ladies’ man. He was reputedly the least athletically gifted member of the basketball squad the golf team fielded in a Stanford intra-mural league. His team-mate, Notah Begay, also told me Woods was the worst dancer on the Cardinal golf team – not an inconsiderable feat, when one recalls that it also included Casey Martin, who even then suffered from a painful hereditary foot condition that eventually led him to unsuccessfully petition for a waiver that would have allowed him to use a motorised cart on the PGA Tour. And when it came to interaction with the opposite sex, Tiger made his namesake, Steve Urkel, look like Casanova.

Tiger’s tenure in Palo Alto lasted but two years. Having abandoned the carefree life of a college student for the world of professional golf, how long did it take the nerd to transform himself into Tiger Woods, horndog? Not long at all, apparently, according to my friend and former colleague, Charlie Pierce.

In the spring of 1997, shortly before Woods won the first of his 14 majors at the Masters, Pierce negotiated the labyrinth of red tape his handlers had built around him, and was, for a short time, granted almost unlimited access for an Esquire profile.

Six months into his professional career, Woods was like a child in a sweetshop. His zeal in pursuit of young (and some not-so-young) ladies sometimes seemed as obsessively driven as his pursuit of golf perfection.

Even back in 1997, Pierce recalled this week, it “was one of the worst-kept secrets on the PGA Tour. Everybody knew. Everybody had a story. Occasionally somebody saw it, but nobody wanted to talk about it, except in bar-room whispers late at night. Tiger’s people at the International Management Group (IMG) visibly got the vapours if you even implied anything about it.â€

Pierce’s Esquire piece did not detail this emergent aspect of Woods’s personality, but it did repeat a couple of off-colour stories he told in the back seat of a limousine. As they ran counter to the image IMG was carefully developing, Pierce was widely excoriated and his became the first name on IMG’s informal JEOT (Journalistic Enemies of Tiger) dossier.

Befitting that status, Pierce has now found himself in sudden demand as the go-to guy. “From that moment on,†Pierce recalled in a blog posted on Esquire’s site a few days ago, “the marketing cocoon around [Woods] became almost impenetrable. The Tiger Woods that was constructed for corporate consumption was spotless and smooth, an edgeless brand easily peddled to sheikhs and shakers.â€

PRO GOLFERS HAVE nothing on other professional athletes when it comes to the pursuit Dan Jenkins described as “chasing wool†(pursuing women), and when the old Cuban-born baseballer, Luis Tiant, famously joked that “there’s no such thing as an ugly white womanâ€, the witticism played to the worst fear of the racist element.

There are those, no doubt, who have openly rooted for Woods to fail at every turn, and their sentiments can only have been exacerbated five years ago when he married a Scandinavian beauty who could not have been whiter. At the same time, it should probably be noted here that one could comb pretty much the world’s entire female population without coming up with a racial match for Eldrick Woods: quarter African-American, quarter Thai, quarter Chinese, one-eighth Cherokee, one-eighth Caucasian (Dutch). In some southern states, Woods would have been violating anti-miscegenation laws no matter who he’d married.

The union with Nordegren was facilitated by Jesper Parnevik, who was employing her as a nanny when Woods asked him to be a conduit in asking her out. Recent events have apparently led the Swedish golfer to reassess the wisdom of that introduction.

“We probably thought he was a better guy than he is,†said Parnevik when the Golf Channel interviewed him this week. “I would probably need to apologise to her – and to hope she uses a driver next time instead of a three-iron.â€

The late-night battle at Windermere resulted in the police being summoned to the gated community in the early hours of November 27th, after Woods managed to hit both a water hazard (a fire hydrant) and a fixed obstacle (a tree). Nordegren’s aim was slightly better: she shattered the glass on the back window, supposedly to facilitate her by-then unconscious husband’s escape, although even the Windermere cops must have been able to figure out what had actually happened.

What Woods really needed right then was one of IMG’s spin doctors, because the couple’s version appeared so preposterous that it just begged for the journalistic inquiries that followed, to say nothing of the intervention of the Florida Highway Patrol, which felt constrained to take action when the local cops seemed overly intimidated.

Woods might have remained the victim in the eyes of the public, but instead of one unseemly story in the National Inquirer, the result has been a veritable flood of mistress tales – at last count, there were at least three.

Grubbs has already made her texts and voicemail available to a TV programme. Uchitel declined to confirm a sexual relationship with Woods, who allegedly paid for her ticket to Australia when she joined him there a few weeks ago, but it might be noted that though she lives and works in New York, she showed up in Hollywood this week, accompanied by her lawyer.

This whole mess is going to result in a lot of billable hours before it’s through, in fact. Even the next-door neighbours whose tree attacked Woods’s Escalade are now communicating through their attorney.

Even as he posted his quasi-confessional on his website this week, Woods could not resist throwing a barb at “the media†for having invaded his privacy and, truth be told, there have been fairly serious internal differences of opinion about the way the sporting press has handled the story.

Once again, Pierce seemed to put it in perspective as he recounted IMG’s strategy for keeping the fourth estate in line: “The golfing press became aware that stories about Tiger’s temper, say, or about his ties to unsavoury corporate grifters, would mean the end of access to the only golfer in the world who matters. There is a quick way to tell now which journalists have made this devil’s bargain and which ones haven’t – the ones insisting that ‘the accident’ is somehow ‘not a story’ are the sopranos in the chorus.â€

THE METAMORPHOSIS of a stumbling kid who didn’t know how to ask a girl for a date into a man who believes himself to be God’s gift to women is easy to understand. Earning close to a $100 million (€66 million) in purses, as Wood has in 13 years on the Tour, will do that for you – and his on-course earnings pale by comparison with his commercial endorsements from sponsors such as Nike, Buick and EA Sports.

How will Woods’s commercial enterprises be affected by the current scandal? They won’t be – at least not unless the pressure exacts a toll on Tiger’s golf game. As long as he keeps winning, sponsors are going to stay where they are, because they know that their competitors would be happy to leap into the breach.

Kobe Bryant’s sponsors dropped him like a hot rock following his arrest on rape charges several years ago, but after that case wound up without a conviction and the Lakers won an NBA title last year, Bryant is a hero again. If things get hot enough over the winter, and if IMG decides it’s a good idea, you might even see Woods check himself into some rehab facility to be treated for sex addiction, but we can pretty much promise you this much: whether it’s the Masters in April or a subsequent tournament, the moment Woods wins his next major, what seems a nightmare now will become a forgotten memory.
 
I'm bored of this Tiger Woods story now... he's away from home probably 75-80% of the time. His wife has had 2 kids and probably only turns up to the major tournaments because she's looking after the little ones. Probably only turns up to those ones because the PR men are going mental ensuring that he portrays the ultimate family man, when all she can think about is "The heat in Florida".

He's insanely rich, but at the same time couped up in a hotel room for the majority of the time must be incredibly frustrating.

He's lost some sponsorship because he's not squeaky clean? Self righteous american's through and through that, afraid of a public backlash similar to that which engulfed America in the aftermath of Nipplegate during the superbowl.

So Tiger dipped his wick... Are any of them prettier than his wife? No! Is he going to lose his wife and kids? Probably... even if not, it'll never be the same relationship again. Has he suffered enough? Probably... he'll forever be tarnished with that brush.

To hear people saying "He was my hero, now he's not?" So you're without sin? Throw the first fucking stone then.

Ps... If you read through previous threads, you'll know i was never Tiger's biggest fan, but even I think Middle America make too much of a mountain out of a molehill. Probably only 3 or 4 of those who have come out of the woodwork genuinely had an affair with him whilst he was with his current wife. The others will have been before, or fabricated.

Rant over!
 
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To hear people saying "He was my hero, now he's not?" So you're without sin? Throw the first fucking stone then.

Ps... If you read through previous threads, you'll know i was never Tiger's biggest fan, but even I think Middle America make too much of a mountain out of a molehill. Probably only 3 or 4 of those who have come out of the woodwork genuinely had an affair with him whilst he was with his current wife. The others will have been before, or fabricated.

Rant over!
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Its a shock, but probably it shouldn't be. You make a good point about the temptations in his path. Its surprising given his image though - and yes, I understand that many athletes have carefully crafted images. Anyway, I think he has done the right thing to quit playing indefinitely - he needs to sort out his priorities. I also think he was under a lot of pressure in his golf - the expectations to catch Nicklaus' record. Tiger Woods has shown little genuine enjoyment in his golf for some time and comes across as very surly when things are not going well. I was hoping to see him win against YE Yang last year, but then saw Yang's joy in victory and realised it meant far more to him than Tiger Woods would have felt.
Woods is an amazing player and I hope he can put things right and come back as good as ever.
 
Regarding all the Toger Woods shock, it's just a sign of the times. I'm sure Babe Ruth would be glad there was no internet around back then!

Anyway, you're all forgettig what his absence means, Monty for the Masters!
 
Elin Nordegren, the wife of Tiger Woods, will seek a divorce, ABC News.com is reporting.

A source close to Nordegren told the Web site on Wednesday that a "divorce is 100 percent on."

Nordegren was recently photographed pumping gas without her wedding ring.

Woods and his wife have been married for five years and have a 2-year-old daughter and a 10-month-old son.

Woods announced late last week he was taking an indefinite leave from public life and golf while he works to fix his marriage after multiple allegations of infidelity.

The announcement came two weeks after Woods crashed his SUV into a tree outside his Florida home, setting in motion a stunning downfall for the world's No. 1 player who for 13 years rarely made news off the golf course. One woman who said she had a 31-month affair with Woods shared a voice mail that she said Woods left her two nights before his Nov. 27 accident.

"I am deeply aware of the disappointment and hurt that my infidelity has caused to so many people, most of all my wife and children," Woods said in a statement released last week. "I want to say again to everyone that I am profoundly sorry and that I ask forgiveness. It may not be possible to repair the damage I've done, but I want to do my best to try."

Woods has not been seen in public since the accident.
 
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I'm bored of this Tiger Woods story now... he's away from home probably 75-80% of the time. His wife has had 2 kids and probably only turns up to the major tournaments because she's looking after the little ones. Probably only turns up to those ones because the PR men are going mental ensuring that he portrays the ultimate family man, when all she can think about is "The heat in Florida".

He's insanely rich, but at the same time couped up in a hotel room for the majority of the time must be incredibly frustrating.

He's lost some sponsorship because he's not squeaky clean? Self righteous american's through and through that, afraid of a public backlash similar to that which engulfed America in the aftermath of Nipplegate during the superbowl.

So Tiger dipped his wick... Are any of them prettier than his wife? No! Is he going to lose his wife and kids? Probably... even if not, it'll never be the same relationship again. Has he suffered enough? Probably... he'll forever be tarnished with that brush.

To hear people saying "He was my hero, now he's not?" So you're without sin? Throw the first fucking stone then.

Ps... If you read through previous threads, you'll know i was never Tiger's biggest fan, but even I think Middle America make too much of a mountain out of a molehill. Probably only 3 or 4 of those who have come out of the woodwork genuinely had an affair with him whilst he was with his current wife. The others will have been before, or fabricated.

Rant over!
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America bashing on SCM shocker! Why is losing sponsorship deals for enduring personal setbacks unique to the States? Never happens in Europe, right?

Why are you assuming that it's being made up? The more we learn about this, the more we come to see Tiger as a relentless womanizer... There are voicemails and text messages, etc out there to prove it. I'm not judging the bloke - To each their own - but to claim much of this is probably made up is baseless.
 
Im not saying they are all made up, however at least TWO of these have come out already and said they were before Tiger met his current wife.

I also said that probably 3 or 4 were probably geniune, which Tiger has admitted to infidelity.

What I also said was, you'd have the hanger-ons, the ones who just want to make a quick 'buck' by selling their made up story to the tabloids. Similar to the stories we get here in the News of the Screws. Beckham, Cole, spring to mind. These will probably only be about 2 or 3 of the ones who have 'claimed' to have had an affair.

Whadda, I'm not having a go at all American's, I have quite a few American friends, however some do come across as "holier than thou". Similar to our Daily Mail readers over here, they love a scandal, they love to complain, even if really it didn't offend them. "Ooooh look at Tiger, he's let us down big time, what a scumbag".
 
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So he's human after all.

Accenture dropping him must hurt, whoever the fuck they are.

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I can't tell if you are taking the piss or not. But one of the biggest consulting companies in the World... He was their poster boy.
 
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So he's human after all.

Accenture dropping him must hurt, whoever the fuck they are.

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I can't tell if you are taking the piss or not. But one of the biggest consulting companies in the World... He was their poster boy.
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Accenture are one of the world leaders... Basically they are outsourcing specialists, one of the first to take advantage of cheaper labour in India, Malaysia etc.

But I can understand why quite a lot of people would be ignorant not to have heard of them. Until I started this job I didn't know who they were either.
 
The Gillette advert with Tiger, Henry & Federer makes me wish all 3 were dead.

Killed instantly on set by some lunatic. Even though they probably never met in the making of the ad.

Dead. Killed instantly.

Dead.
 
AT&T Inc. said Thursday it would no longer sponsor Tiger Woods, joining Accenture in dropping support for the world's top golfer, who's taking a break from the sport to focus on his marriage after his admitted infidelity.
 
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