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Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by PepeReina, Sep 16, 2010.

  1. Mors

    Mors Well-Known Member

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    I like Poirier, shame had got smashed, he's a good fighter. He's on mcgregor's sort of level, a level below the elite like Khabib. I'd actually like to see him rematch mcgregor now 5yrs on (mcgregor fights about every 5yrs anyway), I suspect poirier would win that one and give him some confidence back as he was pretty apologetic for his performance after the fight.
    As for Khabib, there's only really Tony left for him now. After that, its change weight or super fights. Tony is a good lad and all that, but I suspect it'd go the same way for him too, he's got zero power in his shots, they are just all super soft points scoring shots, and sooner or later Khabib would get him on his arse.
     
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    Khabib will probably maul Tony like he does to bears. I'd like to see a rematch with Conor. Would be funny to shut that loud-mouth, arrogant irish up again.
     
  3. Roopy

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    Khabib will destroy Conor if they fight again - and if that's the next fight then he will essentially finish Conor's MMA career.

    UFC will want to get the most out of Conor - especially after the ESPN deal - so it's in their best interests to not match him with Khabib again in the short term and put him up against strikers only.

    Khabib vs Ferguson is now the fight to make.

    Ferguson will give him a big run for his money - he's cardio is absolutely insane, he has a very unconventional style & most importantly he throws ridiculous amounts of strikes whenever he is taken down & mounted (something that Khabib has not come up against before)
     
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    My_Blood_Bleeds_Red Very Active Member

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    Nah, Khabib will maul him. One takedown and it’ll be business as usual for the eagle. The only way you stand a chance to beat him is to erm stand. Conor who’s one of the most lethal strikers had months to prepare yet he got smacked square right in the face because they all fear the same thing - a takedown by Khabib.

    You’d need a Joe Jones type of fighter to probably beat Khabib. And Tony ain’t one.
     
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    Thanks Roopy, I found a few on Youtube but the recording is lame and miss a lot of the screen plus its a bit grainy and not very good.
     
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    No probs.

    You can also download it via torrents.

    I don't do that but a mate at work does and always manages to get quality downloads for UFC.
     
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    As much a love Khabib - I doubt he would maul Ferguson like he has done to the rest.

    Ferguson is an absolute beast with world class BJJ - very unconventional BJJ too, receives his training from Eddie Bravo's 10th Planet BJJ.

    He's also a very lanky figure - he can pull out arm bars in ridiculous situations even when he's been taken down. Those long arms and legs give him different ammunition when it comes to the ground game.

    Poirer is another high level grappler - and to be honest Khabib only really had one moment of ground & pound right at the end of the first round - other than that Poirer did very well to repel the submission & ground n pound attempts.

    Of course Khabib got the job done in the end but this was by no means a massacre like he put on Barboza, Conor & Michael Johnson.
     
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    You could see why Poirier was so hard on himself after the fight.

    I think Khabib's reputation is starting to win these fights. The guys are so worried about containing / defending they neglect their own strengths.
    Would've liked to see Poirier really unload after he caught Khabib on the chin.
     
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    I think he tried to unload, I was really impressed how well khabib swerved away from his punches & gave himself time to recover before getting into range, he got himself a good twenty seconds which was enough to clear his head & get a bit of strength back into his legs.
     
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    A - amazing quality on the links thanks, hopefully they stick around til this evening when I'm back from work.

    B- On one of the grainy vids I saw on youtube they had the camera in Dustins corner between rounds.  That sounded like a man who was like wtf is going on here
    'There's no space in there' end of round one
    ' I cant him the fuck off me' round two.

    He tried the Guillotine round two but it was kinda lame and wasn't really on.  Round three he went for it trying to rip Khabibs head off but it took it out of him and under that heat in Abu Dhabi under the lights etc he was done... but that's what I couldn't see on the vid how well it was in and how locked up khabibs body was.

    Ferguson is the only fight on the cards now, Connor can tweet all he wants but he needs to have a fight or two before getting another chance.
     
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    Yeah, maybe I'm doing Khabib a disservice.
    He did recover well, I just thought Poirier was holding back.

    After Poirier caught Khabib he tried to land a couple punches but as soon as Khabib started circling, it seemed he only halfheartedly followed him.

    I'll have to watch it again.
     
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    The only place that was lacking space was Poirier's brain.
    I think it all just got to him.
    So much work and practice and advice on how to counter Khabib and when he got in there it all just got jumbled in his head.

    His movement wasn't really there, his boxing either. His defensive wrestling is pretty good, but he still kept looking to his corner for advice. Think he got tripped once while still trying to figure out what his team was saying.
     
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    Shout out to Anatomy of a fighter vids.
    Plus see how khabibs face changes shape from first vid to last
     
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    And that's basically how Khabib won the fight - he wore out Poirer just through the grappling exchanges.

    When Khabib has a hold on you, the way he uses his chest.... then the downward pressure using his hips ... and before you know it your legs are tied up ... at this stage, without any ground and pound & submission attempts, it takes a big toll just trying defend that alone.

    And that's exactly why Poirier was annoyed at himself post fight when he was discussing the guillotine he had in place.

    He was so tired from the grappling exchanges he was unable to seize that moment by forgetting to go into full mount on the guillotine attempt which would have put Khabib in big big danger of being submitted.
     
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    https://www.forbes.com/sites/trentr...242-loss-to-khabib-nurmagomedov/#6102567b1883

    Enough said.
     
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    Dos Anjos was a BJJ specialist and had good takedown techniques too - completely destroyed by Khabib.

    But no doubt, Tony's a beast and should be a no-brainer as Khabib's next challenger. I'd quite like to see Nate Diaz fight Khabib too simply because Nate's such an underrated fighter imo. Nate's got a good guard but Khabib will probably maul him too.

    Tony's got that slick move where he spins and slices people with his elbows. I'd like to see how Khabib counters that. Gonna be a heck of a fight for sure.
     
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    Don't get me wrong Khabib has fought some fantastic BJJ fighters - but they are all conventional BJJ fighters.

    The point of difference is just how unorthodox Ferguson is with his striking & wrestling - as you said he'll throw spinning fists/elbows, unpredictable foot movement ... and his BJJ is not conventional either as he plies his trade under 10th Planet which is very different from your traditional BJJ.

    He'll unleash the unexpected and I think that's what makes the match up so intriguing.  

    An unexpected shot is probably the only thing that can defeat Khabib - but whether he can pull it of or not ...
     
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    Bruce Lee would have whooped all their arses.
     
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    I watched the fight again.

    I don't think he forgot to go full mount, he's a black belt.  Black belts don't forget how to finish a technique.  He was upset because he practised and practised for that one change and his body failed him cos he couldn't pull it off.  You could see him try the guillotine a couple of times second round it clearly wasn't in so he let go.

    He clipped khabib and couldn't follow up and throw a flurry of combos cos khabib backed off.  He knew that he practised for the chance and he got it but he couldn't complete it.

    His words between rounds just show you khabib is a different beast.
    I don't think khabib gets the full credit he deserves.

    As mentioned Dos Sanjos is a monster he's a third degree black belt, he a world champ on BJJ and was mauled.
    Then it was Barboza is a striker who won't let khabib in..mauled.
    Connor He's possibly the GOAT .. mauled

    Comment about Ferguson might be right, Eddie Bravo is a bit unorthodox so maybe it might be different and Ferguson does have the ability to cut etc so it remains to be seen if he can stop Khabib.
     

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