Vardy (or generally goal scoring issues)
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No, he's not the right man for this team - needs a system like Leicester's.
Morata would have been fucking amazing.
Morata would have been fucking amazing.
I'm not sure Vardy is quite a "natural goalscorer" but his industry and movement, and that amazing pace, would be an asset.
But £30m for a 30 year old? Hmmm.
I think it's clear we need a really good striker to compliment the amazing Salah, Mane and Coutinho, but I've been saying that for years.
However, much like the new goalkeeper, defensive midfielder and two new CBs, it would appear Klopp doesn't agree.
But £30m for a 30 year old? Hmmm.
I think it's clear we need a really good striker to compliment the amazing Salah, Mane and Coutinho, but I've been saying that for years.
However, much like the new goalkeeper, defensive midfielder and two new CBs, it would appear Klopp doesn't agree.
Yeah, I probably should have said that he's more of a goalscorer than what we already have. I thought he was about 28, so £30m is a daft price, despite how fit and hungry he still looks. I still think he'd be a good fit for us though.
Our problems aren't up front, so it's a no for Vardy from me. Again we scored last night, but we're utterly incapable of clean sheets. We shouldn't be be striving to score even more goals, we should be sorting out not letting them in, we score a decent amount as is. I'd spend the money on any keeper and a decent CB.
He used too work in my brother-in-law's warehouse. Not sure what that adds to the debate.
I don't think we'll sign this kind of striker under Klopp though, the number 9 in our system seems to be more of a pivot for wingers and attacking midfielders than an out-and-out goalscorer.
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I think we judge Vardy by his looks which often gives harsh negative slant. We had Suarez where other teams referred to him in the same terms you have.
Besides if he bangs the goals in who cares, that include any immoral (but legal) acts.
We've got Solanke so let's use him. Yes he's raw but the encouraging thing about him in this context is that he knows how and when to attack space in the box. He anticipates and gambles with his runs. One of the recurring problems in our attacks is the last player arriving too late, or only starting to arrive after being startled by the ball coming towards them. Solanke will at least be in a position, sometimes, to take some chances.
Almost every side in the Premiership has a better finisher than we have, so that's hardly narrowing it down.
Vardy admittedly looks like typical Jeremy Kyle fodder, but it's not just that - he's a nasty piece of work all round. The number of vicious, bordering on dangerous, challenges he gets away with is unreal. I might consider him on a cut price deal (though I'd be keener if he had one tenth of Suarez' talent, which he doesn't) but I'd never spend the kind of money Leicester would charge for a player already in his thirties.
We've played 11 games this season and we've not scored in 2. We've conceded in 9 of them.
Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp says his side need to be more "clinical" after the Reds were held to a frustrating Champions League draw despite dominating Spartak Moscow in Russia.
Spartak went ahead against the run of play when Loris Karius was easily beaten by Fernando's free-kick after Philippe Coutinho's foul just outside the area.
Klopp fielded forwards Roberto Firmino, Mohamed Salah, Sadio Mane and Coutinho in the same game for the first time, and the latter two combined for Coutinho to equalise with his first Champions League goal.
Firmino, Mane and substitute Daniel Sturridge spurned good chances as Liverpool were forced to settle for a second successive draw in Group E.
"We have to be more clinical - 100%," said Klopp, whose side are two points behind group leaders Sevilla, who beat Maribor 3-0 in Spain.
"To create all those chances and only score one goal feels average. It was a crazy game.
"What can I say? We created, created and created. Where is the real point for criticism? We tried with all we had. The effort was great."
Reds not ruthless enough despite 'Fab Four'
Liverpool were the better side throughout and peppered the Spartak goal with 16 shots, yet they remain without an away victory in Europe's most prestigious competition since 2009.
For once, their failure to win a game had nothing to do with the defence.
With Mane back from a three-match suspension, Klopp opted to start with his four most potent attacking players and this will surely feel like two points dropped for the manager.
As exciting as the Reds were going forward, they were guilty of spurning chance after chance.
Spartak Moscow (left) touched the ball just once inside the Liverpool penalty area in the first half, while the Reds were pretty much camped inside the Russian team's half
By the time Sturridge volleyed over from close range in the 90th minute, unmarked Firmino had headed a good chance at Artem Rebrov, while Mane fired another chance straight at the Spartak goalkeeper.
The equaliser was well worked, Coutinho sweeping powerfully home from an angle after Mane had returned his pass to split the Russian defence and silence the home crowd.
Yet even after Sturridge's miss, Salah was denied by a brilliant, one-handed save by substitute keeper Aleksandr Selikhove in the 96th minute after Rebrov had earlier been injured saving from the Egypt international.
Is Klopp right to change keepers?
Liverpool named their third different goalkeeper in as many matches - yet they still only have two clean sheets in 11 games this season.
After Danny Ward played in the Carabao Cup defeat at Leicester last week, Klopp recalled Karius in Moscow despite Simon Mignolet saving a penalty in Liverpool's Premier League win over the Foxes on Saturday.
Spartak rarely threatened but Karius could have done better for the goal which put the hosts ahead with their first serious chance.
Emre Can was caught in possession inside his own half, forcing Coutinho to concede a free-kick outside the area, and Fernando curled the set-piece over the wall and beyond Karius - though the effort did not find the corner.
The German did beat away Andrey Yeshchenko's fierce strike after the interval but the debate will continue over whether Klopp is right to rotate his keepers.
Karius has conceded 19 goals in his 19 appearances for Liverpool in all competitions.
Man of the match - Philippe Coutinho
Where would Liverpool be without Coutinho? Eighteen-year-old Trent Alexander-Arnold had another impressive night at right-back for the Reds, but Coutinho did what his team-mates couldn't - find the net
Champions League draw specialists - the stats
Liverpool have two big Premier League games before their next Champions League game against Maribor in Slovenia on 17 October (19:45 BST) - Newcastle away on Sunday (16:30) and Manchester United at Anfield on 14 October (12:30).
Spartak's next Champions League game is at home to Sevilla on 17 October (19:45).
Spartak went ahead against the run of play when Loris Karius was easily beaten by Fernando's free-kick after Philippe Coutinho's foul just outside the area.
Klopp fielded forwards Roberto Firmino, Mohamed Salah, Sadio Mane and Coutinho in the same game for the first time, and the latter two combined for Coutinho to equalise with his first Champions League goal.
Firmino, Mane and substitute Daniel Sturridge spurned good chances as Liverpool were forced to settle for a second successive draw in Group E.
"We have to be more clinical - 100%," said Klopp, whose side are two points behind group leaders Sevilla, who beat Maribor 3-0 in Spain.
"To create all those chances and only score one goal feels average. It was a crazy game.
"What can I say? We created, created and created. Where is the real point for criticism? We tried with all we had. The effort was great."
Reds not ruthless enough despite 'Fab Four'
Liverpool were the better side throughout and peppered the Spartak goal with 16 shots, yet they remain without an away victory in Europe's most prestigious competition since 2009.
For once, their failure to win a game had nothing to do with the defence.
With Mane back from a three-match suspension, Klopp opted to start with his four most potent attacking players and this will surely feel like two points dropped for the manager.
As exciting as the Reds were going forward, they were guilty of spurning chance after chance.
Spartak Moscow (left) touched the ball just once inside the Liverpool penalty area in the first half, while the Reds were pretty much camped inside the Russian team's half
By the time Sturridge volleyed over from close range in the 90th minute, unmarked Firmino had headed a good chance at Artem Rebrov, while Mane fired another chance straight at the Spartak goalkeeper.
The equaliser was well worked, Coutinho sweeping powerfully home from an angle after Mane had returned his pass to split the Russian defence and silence the home crowd.
Yet even after Sturridge's miss, Salah was denied by a brilliant, one-handed save by substitute keeper Aleksandr Selikhove in the 96th minute after Rebrov had earlier been injured saving from the Egypt international.
Is Klopp right to change keepers?
Liverpool named their third different goalkeeper in as many matches - yet they still only have two clean sheets in 11 games this season.
After Danny Ward played in the Carabao Cup defeat at Leicester last week, Klopp recalled Karius in Moscow despite Simon Mignolet saving a penalty in Liverpool's Premier League win over the Foxes on Saturday.
Spartak rarely threatened but Karius could have done better for the goal which put the hosts ahead with their first serious chance.
Emre Can was caught in possession inside his own half, forcing Coutinho to concede a free-kick outside the area, and Fernando curled the set-piece over the wall and beyond Karius - though the effort did not find the corner.
The German did beat away Andrey Yeshchenko's fierce strike after the interval but the debate will continue over whether Klopp is right to rotate his keepers.
Karius has conceded 19 goals in his 19 appearances for Liverpool in all competitions.
Man of the match - Philippe Coutinho
Where would Liverpool be without Coutinho? Eighteen-year-old Trent Alexander-Arnold had another impressive night at right-back for the Reds, but Coutinho did what his team-mates couldn't - find the net
Champions League draw specialists - the stats
- Liverpool have drawn four consecutive Champions League games for the first time since March 2002.
- The Reds extended their longest winless run in the Champions League to seven games - losing three - having last won in September 2014 against Ludogorets.
- Coutinho has now scored nine goals in his past 14 appearances for Liverpool.
- Liverpool have not kept a clean sheet in the Champions League since November 2009 against Debrecen, conceding in their past nine games.
Liverpool have two big Premier League games before their next Champions League game against Maribor in Slovenia on 17 October (19:45 BST) - Newcastle away on Sunday (16:30) and Manchester United at Anfield on 14 October (12:30).
Spartak's next Champions League game is at home to Sevilla on 17 October (19:45).
Vardy is a good player and he would really suit our style, but as has been said, with his age in mind we're probably never going to splash the amount of cash needed which I guess is sound. We should at the very least be aware that we could also bring in a youngster with huge potential for about the same amount, before taking any actions.
Also, Vardy's never been at a 'big club' why there's also going to be some concerns/question marks about whether he'd cope well with that, some gets better, some don't mind it much where others seems to crumble under the increased amount of expectations.
On a free I'd defo get back this signing but for a huge sum of money, not so much.
Also, Vardy's never been at a 'big club' why there's also going to be some concerns/question marks about whether he'd cope well with that, some gets better, some don't mind it much where others seems to crumble under the increased amount of expectations.
On a free I'd defo get back this signing but for a huge sum of money, not so much.
I did say last six games, Mors. The inference is that we are stuttering a bit up top recently, not that we have all season so far.
To add to the stats orgy, we scored 14 goals in the first five of the 11 games you referenced, contrast that with seven in the six games I was talking about. And both of the blanks you mentioned also came in the last six games.
In the last 6 games we've scored 7 goals, and let in 13. Keeping zero clean sheets. The problem isn't the top end of the pitch.
Defence will always be a problem, attack becomes an issue if we aren't scoring enough to offset.
I'm not saying that we are shit up front or that we'll be shit all season, but you only have to watch a game to see we are creating a load of chances and failing to take them right now.
Let's look at it another way, the City game actually falls quite nicely in the middle as we've played five games pre-City and five games post-City. So take that game out and the numbers look like this:
Pre-City
GF: 14
GA: 6
Post-City
GF: 7
GA: 6
Mané has obviously missed the three domestic matches in the games post-City, we've scored three with him in the CL and four without in the PL - make of that what you will.
Hopefully it sorts itself out.
There are problems at both ends. Take that breakaway at the end of the first half - that was criminal how it was wasted. Gerrard was at it again saying some team will soon get spanked by us - he used to say that when he was in the team and we were going through this kind of run, and no team DID get spanked. It's the wrong attitude - 'Let's just carry on and it'll soon click'. It won't. You have to work on this in training, treat it as a problem to be solved rationally, not some weird bout of bad luck to be endured stoically. As the old cliche goes, the harder you work the luckier you get.
Portly summarized the Vardy issue quite nicely.
As for our "Fab Four", hopefully it's just a rough patch.
I do have to question their "fabness" though.
The entire team is set up to attack and we create a lot of chances as a result - if they were that good, they'd be putting games to bed.
As for our "Fab Four", hopefully it's just a rough patch.
I do have to question their "fabness" though.
The entire team is set up to attack and we create a lot of chances as a result - if they were that good, they'd be putting games to bed.
He certainly would have put away a couple of those chances last night.
Vardy is a nifty player and very fast and excellent at winning free kicks, he is also, unlike Sturridge, a hard working player and isn't continually crocked. Despite not having as many goals as Kane I think he is the better player.
All of that aside he is an absolute uber cunt.
I think I'd rather spend the cash on a Butland for GK position or a top class CB.
All of that aside he is an absolute uber cunt.
I think I'd rather spend the cash on a Butland for GK position or a top class CB.
How is Jamie Vardy better than Harry Kane? By any fucking metric?
He's quicker, that's about it.
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You can't be serious. Vardy better than Kane? Not in a million years. Only thing vardy has which is superior is pace. Kane pisses all over him at anything else.
Yeah true, stats wise Kane is better, but then 24 goals in 36 games season before last... 6 in 5 this season...I just rate the pace I suppose...
A fast and fit Sturridge is a better player than either of them IMO... but then stats suggest otherwise eh...
I don't rate Kane much and Vardy is lightning fast and a dirty cheating little fucker.
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