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This may be a bit premature but I'm just utterly and completely amazed by the overall style of play we've witnessed of late. It's almost like we're spectators to a Liverpool-team that are somehow re-inventing tactics and overall approach in the game of football. I don't think I've ever seen anything reminiscent the general tempo and the sheer energy-level of our games. Not in the same scale at least.

As we kick-off and the game unfolds it takes us less than five seconds to close the opponent down - around their own penaltyarea mind. And this is more or less the scenario for the full 90 minutes. The energy-level never seems to drop when Liverpool is beeing one part of a match these days and it's as breathtaking to witness for us the fans as it has got to be for the players involved. We are talking iron-lungs here and stamina beyond incredible.

Every player on the pitch is quite litterally runnning their socks of, attacking and closing-down at every given opportunity, and though it's often as high paced as I've ever seen a football match unfold it's not hampering the overall quality of play in my opinion. Which is just downright amazing. A player like Kuyt is no Henry or Giggs in terms of class but he's bringing something else to the table. Sheer gut and the attitude of a workaholic always ready to get himself stuck in. The team in itself it the real star though when it comes to Liverpool these days. Torres, Gerrard, Alonso, Masher etc. are all great footballers, top of the pops even, but it's the team-spirit and the willingness to work for eachother that is the real star on Merseyside these days.

In the early nineties Barcelona was re-inventing football, making way to artists like Laudrup, Stoichkov and Romario, taking football to a whole other level of entertainment after years on dominated by German and Italian defensivemindedness. Suddenly it was a completely new experience to be watching football as the Catalan's exquisite style of football unfolded before our eyes.

In the late nineties and early twenties a new approach appeared. The one of Sir Alex Fergusons Manchester United with the likes of Schmeichel, Keane, Giggs, Beckham, Cantona, Yorke and Cole. Even the most stylish of players, e.g. Beckham, wasn't affraid to get stuck in and whenever needed United turned on the heat. Maybe not for the entire match but enough to win the game. High pace and a few brilliant individuals made them the best team in the world at the time. No matter how many goals they conceeded back then you always felt they had another gear if needed. And they had.

Then came Wenger's Arsenal along and they somehow refined United's approach a bit as they managed to keep the ball moving in an even higher tempo than seen before, adding probably even more flair to the table with the likes of Henry, Bergkamp, Pires and Vieira than what United had done at the time.

We are not playing like the Barca, United or Arsenal of old mind. Not even the free-flowing Valencia-team during Rafa's tenure is comparable to our current style of play.

There's a uniqueness surrounding our way of play these day and I can't think of any team in the past that's coming close to what we're witnessing these days.

We are attacking as an unit and closing-down in a way never seen before. So breath-takingly unreal to watch and nothing I've ever seen comes close. 90 minutes of full throttle, that's the new Liverpool way.

It's not like we're all sitting on the edge of our seats anticipating a Messi-masterpiece or a Henry-esque finish after a run of 3 razor-sharp direct passes. We are not waiting for us to turn up the heat only when needed as United has done so brilliantly before us.

We are sitting like when on needles waiting for the ref to get the game started as we then know we'll witness a hurricane of movements, pressure, attacks and tackles untill the opposition has at least conceeded a handful of goals. Just ask the likes of Real, Villa, Chelsea, United or Arsenal.
(We are evidenlty still learning how to balance the tide so we're not also conceeding four goals but we'll get there I'm sure).

Bottomline is, we are the new shit.

In a few years everyone wants to approach the game the way we do it. And Rafa will most probably be looked back upon with the same respect and awe as the managers before him that also managed to take the game to a new level. Not only because he re-invented the attacking style of football but also because he brought home what we all crave so dearly.

No. 19.
 
I have no intention of doing a DB,but could we stop these posts?

It's our 3rd year of winning nothing,and posts like these do nothing but flatter to deceive and amuse the Mancs.

We've played incredibly well at times,and we have to build on it next season.

Lets talk then.

Who knows?

Maybe we can put the old git up the road to pasture,finally.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=32976.msg850604#msg850604 date=1240394926]
I have no intention of doing a DB,but could we stop these posts?

It's our 3rd year of winning nothing,and posts like these do nothing but flatter to deceive and amuse the Mancs.

We've played incredibly well at times,and we have to build on it next season.

Lets talk then.

Who knows?

Maybe we can put the old git up the road to pasture,finally.

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I'll definitely stop these posts whether you ask me to or not, as I simply can't find the time to write another piece that bloody long.
 
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=32976.msg850600#msg850600 date=1240394428]
This may be a bit premature but I'm just utterly and completely amazed by the overall style of play we've witnessed of late. It's almost like we're spectators to a Liverpool-team that is somehow re-inventing tactics and overall approach in the game of football. I don't think I've ever seen anything reminiscent the general tempo and the sheer energy-level of our games. Not in the same scale at least.

As we kick-off and the game unfolds it takes us less than five seconds to close the opponent down - around their own penaltyarea mind. And this is more or less the scenario for the full 90 minutes. The energy-level never seems to drop when Liverpool is beeing one part of a match these days and it's as breathtaking to witness for us the fans as it has got to be for the players involved. We are talking iron-lungs here and stamina beyond incredible.

Every player on the pitch is quite litterally runnning their socks of, attacking and closing-down at every given opportunity, and though it's often as high paced as I've ever seen a football match unfold it's not hampering the overall quality of play in my opinion. Which is just downright amazing. A player like Kuyt is no Henry or Giggs in terms of class but he's bringing something else to the table. Sheer gut and the attitude of a workaholic always ready to get himself stuck in. The team in itself it the real star though when it comes to Liverpool these days. Torres, Gerrard, Alonso, Masher etc. are all great footballers, top of the pops even, but it's the team-spirit and the willingness to work for eachother that is the real star on Merseyside these days.

In the early nineties Barcelona was re-inventing football, making way to artists like Laudrup, Stoichkov and Romario, taking football to a whole other level of entertainment after years on dominated by German and Italian defensivemindedness. Suddenly it was a completely new experience to be watching football as the Catalan's exquisite style of football unfolded before our eyes.

In the late nineties and early twenties a new approach appeared. The one of Sir Alex Fergusons Manchester United with the likes of Schmeichel, Keane, Giggs, Beckham, Cantona, Yorke and Cole. Even the most stylish of players, e.g. Beckham, wasn't affraid to get stuck in and whenever needed United turned on the heat. Maybe not for the entire match but enough to win the game. High pace and a few brilliant individuals made them the best team in the world at the time. No matter how many goals they conceeded back then you always felt they had another gear if needed. And they had.

Then came Wenger's Arsenal along and they somehow refined United's approach a bit as they managed to keep the ball moving in an even higher tempo than seen before, adding probably even more flair to the table with the likes of Henry, Bergkamp, Pires and Vieira than what United had done at the time.

We are not playing like the Barca, United or Arsenal of old mind. Not even the free-flowing Valencia-team during Rafa's tenure is comparable to our current style of play.

There's a uniqueness surrounding our way of play these day and I can't think of any team in the past that's coming close to what we're witnessing these days.

We are attacking as an unit and closing-down in a way never seen before. So breath-takingly unreal to watch and nothing I've ever seen comes close. 90 minutes of full throttle, that's the new Liverpool way.

It's not like we're all sitting on the edge of our seats anticipating a Messi-masterpiece or a Henry-esque finish after a run of 3 razor-sharp direct passes. We are not waiting for us to turn up the heat only when needed as United has done so brilliantly before us.

We are sitting like when on needles waiting for the ref to get the game started as we then know we'll witness a hurricane of movements, pressure, attacks and tackles untill the opposition has at least conceeded a handful of goals. Just ask the likes of Real, Villa, Chelsea, United or Arsenal.
(We are evidenlty still learning how to balance the tide so we're not also conceeding four goals but we'll get there I'm sure).

Bottomline is, we are the new shit.

In a few years everyone wants to approach the game the way we do it. And Rafa will most probably be looked back upon with the same respect and awe as the managers before him that also managed to take the game to a new level. Not only because he re-invented the attacking style of football but also because he brought home what we all crave so dearly.

No. 19.
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I don't want us to be shit.
 
[quote author=Stu link=topic=32976.msg850635#msg850635 date=1240398668]
We've conceding EIGHT goals in two games KHL, how can that be considered as reinventing football?
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When was the last time Man United, Chelsea or Arsenal conceeded four goals to anyone? Let alone within 30 days? It's a massive achievement and I'm sure it's a good omen of things to come.

Fact remains that we've been scoring a massive ammount of goals of late against the toughest opposition around, ever since the Real game at home to be more precise, and for what ever reason we're now quite simply playing some of the best, most enthralling and energetic football I've seen.

It's not a coincidence that we've played two games in a row that has already been deemed instant classics. At least I don't think it is.

There is something about our style of play and apporach of late that has just made me wonder. And I reckon a lot of our fircest competitors are wondering as well. Maybe even starting to fear us. I mean like really worry.

Tell me to 'FUCK OFF' or whatever you feel like, it's just my opinion.
 
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=32976.msg850639#msg850639 date=1240398895]
"We are the new shit"? Praise indeed.
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One of your better posts of late.

Cudos.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=32976.msg850665#msg850665 date=1240400984]

Talk like this is wide of the mark until we win the league.
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Of course it is but I just feel so extremely optimistic on behalf of the future of the club because of what I've seen the past month.

I just felt the urge to share it.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=32976.msg850631#msg850631 date=1240398263]
Oh fuck OFF
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I didn't mention Agger with one single word.

And what do I get?

Rudeness galore.
 
The only reason we're playing like this is because the players (and manager) are treating every game like a cup final. We won't start next season like this because if we do, the team will be burnt out by October.

I'd settle for recapturing the solidity and manner of oppressing our opponents we had in 2005/6 coupled with our newfound attacking verve.
 
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=32976.msg850681#msg850681 date=1240401449]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=32976.msg850631#msg850631 date=1240398263]
Oh fuck OFF
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I didn't mention Agger with one single word.

And what do I get?

Rudeness galore.
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I think bren is pissed off at certain posters who are seemingly revelling in our new attacking dynamic that has also seen us leak goals at an alarming rate.
you don't get extra points at the end of the season for entertaining football. uncle roy could tell you that as could 'king' kev.
 
Yeah, you're really only talking about half a dozen matches, khl. No one who watched us play Stoke or West Ham or Middlesbrough earlier this season would have claimed we were reinventing football.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=32976.msg850684#msg850684 date=1240401484]
The only reason we're playing like this is because the players (and manager) are treating every game like a cup final. We won't start next season like this because if we do, the team will be burnt out by October.
I'd settle for recapturing the solidity and manner of oppressing our opponents we had in 2005/6 coupled with our newfound attacking verve.


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I'm just not sure about that mate.

I don't reckon even Rafa could've contemplated the respons he's been given from the players when he decided to unleash them, free them for their defensive shackles if you like, allowing them to bomb forward in a way we've never seen during his tenure at the club.

Of course we're not going to approach every game like a Cup-final as you say but why not scare the hell out of teams coming to Anfield on beforehand, by letting them know that we'll throw everything at them from the first minute onwards?

I think this will indeed be the case next Season even against the Fulham's, Boro's and Sunderland's of this world. He's certainly got the players to do it and when we learn to balance it better then we'll stop conceeding more because of it. Or at least not three or four goals every game as of late.

A Danish reporter was sat at Bayer Arena in the lounge watching the hometeams tie with Barcelona last week, and she told that Barca's directors was looking more at the televised game from Stamford Bridge than the one down on the pitch.

They were relieved that Chelsea finally progressed, she told, explaining how they have almost cheered when the final whistl blew, as they are so much more affraid of our style of play than the Chavs for one. (The fact that we've beaten them twice probably had something to do with it also but I don't think it irrelevant).

Make of it what you like but we're obviously heading in the right direction - and we're doing so having adopted a new style of attacking football. Something that makes me well proud.
 
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=32976.msg850660#msg850660 date=1240400835]
Fact remains that we've been scoring a massive ammount of goals of late against the toughest opposition around, ever since the Real game at home to be more precise, and for what ever reason we're now quite simply playing some of the best, most enthralling and energetic football I've seen.
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I see where you are coming from KHL, I do. But scoring four goals agiant good/great opposition means fuck all if you are not winning matches. Sure the 1-4 at OT and destroying Madrid, they were great games for Liverpool fans all over the world, but ultimately they will win us nothing. And really that's what it is all about for Liverpool, trophies.

[quote author=the_khl link=topic=32976.msg850660#msg850660 date=1240400835]
There is something about our style of play and apporach of late that has just made me wonder. And I reckon a lot of our fircest competitors are wondering as well. Maybe even starting to fear us. I mean like really worry.
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Why would a great team with great attacking players worry about playing a team with our defence (of late)? We're leaking goals from set plays, our defenders are making horrific individual errors. Any competent attacking player would fancy himself to score against us right now.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=32976.msg850694#msg850694 date=1240401870]
Yeah, you're really only talking about half a dozen matches, khl. No one who watched us play Stoke or West Ham or Middlesbrough earlier this season would have claimed we were reinventing football.
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Absolutely.

Ever since the Real-game at home we've looked a completely different team.

And I don't buy into it only beeing down to us playing with our backs against the wall. The way we dominated Real at home was a very pleasant surprise to me. Normally we would've grinded out a safe 1-nil or something in that mould. Maybe even a dull draw. But we didn't and something changed.

Now we're just playing some incredible football really albeit committing to many errors at the back, but that will be sorted out eventually I'm sure.
 
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=32976.msg850711#msg850711 date=1240402507]
I'm just not sure about that mate.

I don't reckon even Rafa could've contemplated the respons he's been given from the players when he decided to unleash them, free them for their defensive shackles if you like, allowing them to bomb forward in a way we've never seen during his tenure at the club.

Of course we're not going to approach every game like a Cup-final as you say but why not scare the hell out of teams coming to Anfield on beforehand, by letting them know that we'll throw everything at them from the first minute onwards?

I think this will indeed be the case next Season even against the Fulham's, Boro's and Sunderland's of this world. He's certainly got the players to do it and when we learn to balance it better then we'll stop conceeding more because of it. Or at least not three or four goals every game as of late.

A Danish reporter was sat at Bayer Arena in the lounge watching the hometeams tie with Barcelona last week, and she told that Barca's directors was looking more at the televised game from Stamford Bridge than the one down on the pitch.

They were relieved that Chelsea finally progressed, she told, explaining how they have almost cheered when the final whistl blew, as they are so much more affraid of our style of play than the Chavs for one. (The fact that we've beaten them twice probably had something to do with it also but I don't think it irrelevant).

Make of it what you like but we're obviously heading in the right direction - and we're doing so having adopted a new style of attacking football. Something that makes me well proud.
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But it's nothing new, is it?

Think back to games against Juve, Barca, Arsenal etc. over previous seasons and you'll note similar performances.

That's why we opted to do it again at crunch time - it's worked in the past.

We've seen these sort of performances over a sustained period of time in the last month or so, but it's largely been forced upon us. As the players have said - most important game of career, cup final blah blah blah. When the dust settles and normality resumes, I don't think we can expect the players to play out of their skin week in, week out - the motivation just isn't there.
 
[quote author=Stu link=topic=32976.msg850713#msg850713 date=1240402530]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=32976.msg850660#msg850660 date=1240400835]
Fact remains that we've been scoring a massive ammount of goals of late against the toughest opposition around, ever since the Real game at home to be more precise, and for what ever reason we're now quite simply playing some of the best, most enthralling and energetic football I've seen.
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I see where you are coming from KHL, I do. But scoring four goals agiant good/great opposition means fuck all if you are not winning matches. Sure the 1-4 at OT and destroying Madrid, they were great games for Liverpool fans all over the world, but ultimately they will win us nothing. And really that's what it is all about for Liverpool, trophies.

[quote author=the_khl link=topic=32976.msg850660#msg850660 date=1240400835]
There is something about our style of play and apporach of late that has just made me wonder. And I reckon a lot of our fircest competitors are wondering as well. Maybe even starting to fear us. I mean like really worry.
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Why would a great team with great attacking players worry about playing a team with our defence (of late)? We're leaking goals from set plays, our defenders are making horrific individual errors. Any competent attacking player would fancy himself to score against us right now.
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I think they are scared mate.

Last night was a fluke really. We couldve/shouldve/wouldve won that game easily bar a few costly errors and and one incredibly well-playing Arse.

The Gunners rode their luck big time as I see it and the sheer tempo, class and power of Liverpool these days are to be feared.

See my post with regards to Barca's directors sentiments; They'd easily prefer a Semi-final against a solid-defending Chelsea team compared to free-scoring Liverpool.

I can see why.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=32976.msg850724#msg850724 date=1240403060]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=32976.msg850711#msg850711 date=1240402507]
I'm just not sure about that mate.

I don't reckon even Rafa could've contemplated the respons he's been given from the players when he decided to unleash them, free them for their defensive shackles if you like, allowing them to bomb forward in a way we've never seen during his tenure at the club.

Of course we're not going to approach every game like a Cup-final as you say but why not scare the hell out of teams coming to Anfield on beforehand, by letting them know that we'll throw everything at them from the first minute onwards?

I think this will indeed be the case next Season even against the Fulham's, Boro's and Sunderland's of this world. He's certainly got the players to do it and when we learn to balance it better then we'll stop conceeding more because of it. Or at least not three or four goals every game as of late.

A Danish reporter was sat at Bayer Arena in the lounge watching the hometeams tie with Barcelona last week, and she told that Barca's directors was looking more at the televised game from Stamford Bridge than the one down on the pitch.

They were relieved that Chelsea finally progressed, she told, explaining how they have almost cheered when the final whistl blew, as they are so much more affraid of our style of play than the Chavs for one. (The fact that we've beaten them twice probably had something to do with it also but I don't think it irrelevant).

Make of it what you like but we're obviously heading in the right direction - and we're doing so having adopted a new style of attacking football. Something that makes me well proud.
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But it's nothing new, is it?

Think back to games against Juve, Barca, Arsenal etc. over previous seasons and you'll note similar performances.

That's why we opted to do it again at crunch time - it's worked in the past.

We've seen these sort of performances over a sustained period of time in the last month or so, but it's largely been forced upon us. As the players have said - most important game of career, cup final blah blah blah. When the dust settles and normality resumes, I don't think we can expect the players to play out of their skin week in, week out - the motivation just isn't there.


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We were great against Juve, Barca and Arsenal and in the second half against AC Milan and in at least a handful other important games in the past. I just don't think they can manage a direct comparison to some of our latest achievements. At least not in terms of play and approach.

Against Juve we were brilliant in the first half hour and then choose to sit back and keep our lead. I think that was the only real option we had back then our squad taking into consideration. Today we're starting out against Real firing on all cylendars even though we were on top. We kept on going for the entire match or at least untill we were 4-0 up.

Against Arsenal it didn't work out to well in terms of result but that was a fluke. We were mostly brilliant last night.

Against Chelsea we were brilliant too. This without Gerrard mind. Who would've thought that?

The last time anyone kicked Scums arse so thoroughly as we did was around the time of WWII.

It's different.

And I think we'll find the motivation in the joy of playing attacking football from the off next Season. The players seems to thrive doing so.
 
[quote author=drizzt link=topic=32976.msg850753#msg850753 date=1240405060]
I take it you didn't see us during the Roy Evans era.
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I've seen us play ever since the mid 80s on a more or less regular basis.

There were similarities with the famous 4-3 Newcastle games last night (and the match against the Chavs) I reckon, but we're on a completely different level in terms of class than back then. The style of play and the sheer pace of the game of today is quite different and as we wasn't ever really competing the comparison is rather void.

I don't remember having ever seen us play with so much pace, power and class as we're doing these days actually. Maybe way back in the 80s but I was probably a bit to young to appreciate the style of play.
 
29 12

There seems to be some confusion here.
Since we lost to 'boro we have scored 29 goals and conceded 12 in nine games, seven of those goals against Chelsea in the CL and four against Arsenal last night the other single goal was from when we battered United.
We have kept clean sheets in five of them.
Before everyone gets completely hysterical about our playing style let us just look at the games we conceded the goals in
United, well to concede one goal against them is pretty fucking good , no complaints there
Chelsea home CL. Chelsea were on fire that night no team could have lived with them and we ended up chasing the game.
Chelsea away. We had to throw caution to the wind there was no alternative.
Arsenal, individual errors and chasing the game cost us goals, it was not any sort of gung-ho spirit.
We have just found that if we play with a high tempo guts and keep going at teams we can score goals.
The above does not constitute a completely different approach.
regards
 
Why would Barca's directors prefer playing 'defensively solid' Chelsea to 'free-scoring' Liverpool? Did they (and you) not see the first leg? They beat us 3-1 and it could easily have been more. We didn't even have a shot on target in the second half.
 
I think it would be fair to say you're going off a little early KHL; very early even.

To be honest I don't see a great deal of difference between our last few games and what you've described of the mancs a few years ago - apart from the fact they had a few more match winners than us.

I don't think we're re-inventing football by any stretch. We've playing high intensity football which has been a trademark of the english game for some time; what's changed is that we're now playing it with the ball as well as without; that's having the inevitable impact of more goals but not a new game.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=32976.msg850801#msg850801 date=1240408335]
Why would Barca's directors prefer playing 'defensively solid' Chelsea to 'free-scoring' Liverpool? Did they (and you) not see the first leg? They beat us 3-1 and it could easily have been more. We didn't even have a shot on target in the second half.
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Maybe because we're capable of addressing the game in an insanely high-paced mannor? Closing down the opponents from the off, never letting our heads drop whilst creating shit-loads of chances? Imagine the scoreline yesterday had we just scored on a few of our many chances in the first half. Arsenal would've been chopped in two halfs.

If I were in Barca's shoes I'd easily prefer playing Chelsea compared to us at this very moment.

We've recently humiliated their fiercest rivals in Real. We've won 4-1 at Old Trafford and we've almost turned a 1-3 loss into aggregate victory at the Bridge. This without Steven Gerrard mind.

*The Barca-remarks are as said only quotes from a journo who knows members of their board very well and was sitting alongside them during their encounter with Bayern. They were relieved that Chelsea won the game, she said afterwards, as Liverpool are the one team they fear the most. Or something in that mould.
 
If I were in Barca's shoes I'd easily prefer playing Chelsea compared to us at this very moment.

Chelsea battered in 7 goals on aggregate to knock us out. The fourth best team in England came to Anfield and scored 4.

Hiddink's Chelsea have lost about one game since he joined and have scored plenty.

I'd imagine they would have preferred to play us at the moment
 
We're scoring goals, which is great to see.

But we are not re-inventing football.

We are merely playing football as it should be played, and how we used to play it in our pomp.

Re-inventing football was the Italians inventing catanaccio, Cruijff's Netherlands with total football, and Barcelona playing with a deep lying defensive playmaker in Guardiola.
 
[quote author=Roopy link=topic=32976.msg850894#msg850894 date=1240416424]
We're scoring goals, which is great to see.

But we are not re-inventing football.

We are merely playing football as it should be played, and how we used to play it in our pomp.

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What the fuck are you TALKING about?

What fucking pomp do you recall when we conceded 8 goals in two games?

Go away.
 
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