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Liverpool have accepted a bid of £2.5million from Norwich City for young winger Sergi Canos.
The ECHO understands the Canaries’ offer matches the fee recently tabled by fellow Championship outfit Bristol City.

Canos, who has been stalling over a move to Ashton Gate, has been granted permission by the Reds to speak to Norwich and is now weighing up his options.
The 19-year-old Spaniard must decide whether to grasp the opportunity to secure regular first-team football in English football’s second tier or stay at Liverpool for the final year of his contract.

The Reds opened negotiations with Canos over a new deal this summer but talks quickly broke down as a result of his £10,000-per-week wage demands.

Canos, who joined Liverpool from Barcelona three years ago, has been based at the Academy rather than Melwood since he reported back for pre-season training last weekend.
He was handed his senior debut by Jurgen Klopp as a late substitute in the 1-1 draw at West Brom on the final day of last term following a successful season-long loan at Brentford.
 
As does £10,000 a week.. Klopp must be certain there is nothing there to turn down that wage request..
 
£4m for Sinclair, £2.5m for Canos? Of the little I've seen of both I'd have thought those amounts were the wrong way around.
 
Glen C said:
He's done nothing to even be remotely worth 10k a week.
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I only saw the off highlight but there is a chap who was watching a lot of his Brentford games who gave good reviews. In this day and age £10k a week is fuck all on a football wage bill, so my point was he must really have shown little not to be given that..
 
Brizzle said:
I only saw the off highlight but there is a chap who was watching a lot of his Brentford games who gave good reviews. In this day and age £10k a week is fuck all on a football wage bill, so my point was he must really have shown little not to be given that..
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He's an U21 who's had one game for the 1st team. Anything else is just potential. I wonder how many of our U21s or even Brentford / Bristol City / Norwich players earn £10k a week.
 
Frogfish said:
He's an U21 who's had one game for the 1st team. Anything else is just potential. I wonder how many of our U21s or even Brentford / Bristol City / Norwich players earn £10k a week.
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In 2014, average weekly wage at Norwich was £22k. I still maintain £10k a week is fuck all - you'd expect a club to pay that for someone with just potential - that is the point. So very interesting that JK doesn't see even a smidgen of it.

Looking at a ropey google find - Danny Ward is on £5k a week, Gomez is on £10k a week. Bogdan on £15k. Ilori on £20k.
 
Fee is a total joke.
2.5 million is league one standard of money this year.
He's far better than that.
 
We at least have to incert a buy back clause or a sell on clause with that fee.

Read somewhere that Rossiter was looking for 16-20k a week and Sinclair the same.
Thats quite a bit of money for a young player who hasnt achieved anything.
 
Hansern said:
We at least have to incert a buy back clause or a sell on clause with that fee.

Read somewhere that Rossiter was looking for 16-20k a week and Sinclair the same.
Thats quite a bit of money for a young player who hasnt achieved anything.
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The money pales in comparison with some of the dough we dish out to people like Balotelli or Benteke. Even Ibe seems overpaid.

The pull of our name has wane. I suspect the young players know they are not going to get any minutes if we can't even be bothered to pay them something decent. Let's be honest 10k a week is not much in a league with crazy money.

They look elsewhere where they can be paid double that and more chances of first team football. It's a no brainer really.

Also, when was the last time we had a young player break into the first team at 20-23? The good young players break through at 17-19 or not at all.
 
KopRed said:
The money pales in comparison with some of the dough we dish out to people like Balotelli or Benteke. Even Ibe seems overpaid.

The pull of our name has wane. I suspect the young players know they are not going to get any minutes if we can't even be bothered to pay them something decent. Let's be honest 10k a week is not much in a league with crazy money.

They look elsewhere where they can be paid double that and more chances of first team football. It's a no brainer really.

Also, when was the last time we had a young player who broke into the first team at 20-23? The good young players break through at 17-19 or not at all.
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I agree that is less likely that some "superstar" is yet to emerge after the age of 20 in this hyper-connected world of social media, academies and agents, but it's still possible.

Kane is a good example. He was 20 when he made it "big" and was at Millwall the year before. Often a young player may need a bit of luck, or opportunity created by injury to come through a big club's academy. Or indeed leave, and start from a lower level. Vardy.

And over the last decade, there's still been more than a few top players who only came into prominence post 21-23; Drogba, Klose, Payet etc.
 
I watched Canos a lot last year and he impressed with his skill and his attitude. Having got last season under his belt he needs to be playing regularly. Ideally, we'd look to loan him out to a Premier league team so he's stepping up a level (though that hasn't worked well with people like Wisdom). However, if he's not going to sign a new deal then we might as well cash in now (with a buy-back/sell-on clause). Is he really going to start ahead of Mane, or even Ibe and Ojo, who seem ahead of him in the queue. The club seems to be offering younger players a very low basic but with big bonuses for being part of the first team squad. I read somewhere that Kevin Stewart is on a basic of 2.5k a week.
 
Brizzle said:
In 2014, average weekly wage at Norwich was £22k. I still maintain £10k a week is fuck all - you'd expect a club to pay that for someone with just potential - that is the point. So very interesting that JK doesn't see even a smidgen of it.

Looking at a ropey google find - Danny Ward is on £5k a week, Gomez is on £10k a week. Bogdan on £15k. Ilori on £20k.
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Which exactly proves the point. All of those were either 1st team regulars (Gomez), sat on the bench as part of the 1st team squad (Bogdan and then Ward) or were supposed to be the 'next big CB' we paid a substantial fee for (so would expect a commensurate salary) : Ilori. None of them U21 regulars with only one 1st team start (and even that at the end of the season just to give him experience).

Norwich were in the PL in 2014 so a £22k average is an even stronger endorsement of the point I made, considering some of those players would be on a lot more than £22k.
 
Would have preferred we sat down with him, agreed his wage demands and signed the new contract and maybe another loan.
 
Brizzle said:
In 2014, average weekly wage at Norwich was £22k. I still maintain £10k a week is fuck all - you'd expect a club to pay that for someone with just potential - that is the point. So very interesting that JK doesn't see even a smidgen of it.

Looking at a ropey google find - Danny Ward is on £5k a week, Gomez is on £10k a week. Bogdan on £15k. Ilori on £20k.
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It's alot when you're walking into a Norwich team on half the highest wage at the club, when you've barely kicked a ball at professional level. People don't pay £10k to kids with just potential, unless you're talking about the big league teams. Of course you get kids secured at City and Chelsea on daft wages, but they are the exception to the rule. Generally our youth football wages ranged from the hundreds per week up to around £10-12k per week for the upper potential players. Anything else would be financial suicide, bar the occasional exceptional player, that we don't really have at the moment.

NB - as an example, International goalkeeper Danny Ward is on £5k per week.
 
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Can understand the clubs stance after reading this:

Canos' agent had verbally agreed terms on a new contract earlier this year, only to then up his demands later. #lfc (Neil Jones - Echo)
 
Liverpool’s method in selling Sergi Canos (buy-back clause) is likely to be replicated over and over. The club have insisted on a buy-back clause being placed into any potential (youth) deals, with the club seeking to protect itself in the event the 19-year-old becomes a star over the next few seasons.
 
Frogfish said:
Liverpool’s method in selling Sergi Canos (buy-back clause) is likely to be replicated over and over. The club have insisted on a buy-back clause being placed into any potential (youth) deals, with the club seeking to protect itself in the event the 19-year-old becomes a star over the next few seasons.
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Finally a manager that know how to build a club. Won't be surprised if we do the same with Brannagan next season.
 
Oliver Twist said:
What youngster have we sold in the past few years that we would possibly want to buy back?
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Mikel San Jose

Back in the day, Alou Diarra was a pretty decent DM (we could have done what Madrid are trying to do with Moratta - buy back and sell for larger profit).
 
Oliver Twist said:
What youngster have we sold in the past few years that we would possibly want to buy back?
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Had similar thoughts too but in recent years the prospect of our ex-youths have been increasingly better (Ayala, Shelvey etc) than those in the past and seeing what clubs like RM and Barca do, it may make business sense to activate the (previously agreed) clause to buy players back and sell them for profit if they are doing well (but still not good enough to make the grade for our first team).
 
Oliver Twist said:
What youngster have we sold in the past few years that we would possibly want to buy back?
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Don't have a clue. The point is that many of our so called top class talents have played in the reserves instead of getting the chance to play in a top league. There is a much bigger chance that the player will get better if you play with and against better players.

Many of our top class talents the last few years would probably been much better now if they had been sold instead of playing for the reserves.
 
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