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We're all talking about him in every other thread, so maybe he deserves his own. He's very much a controversial figure around here at the moment and I get the impression, and it's kind of the feeling I'm having about him, that whilst people like the idea of him (a cool classy passing midfielder), in reality it just isn't working. What's the problem? Well it's obvious, Adam and Lucas couldn't tame two toddlers yet alone a premiership midfield. There's an obvious lack of fight there, Lucas isn't exactly passive in the middle, however he's always going to require someone next to him who's going to do half the fight as well, the problem being it seems, that Adam requires someone that will do the whole lot, ala Mascherano.

So what's the solution? Most people seem to be knocking around the idea of Spearing around the boards. Sure why not, he'll run for England, is a good tackler, will definitely provide that combative edge we're lacking. I'm not sure though, whilst I think Spearing is a tidy little player, who has grown in confidence, a midfield of Lucas/Spearing or Adam/Spearing or even Gerrard/Spearing just doesn't feel me with confidence. Quite frankly it looks shite, what I'd give for a Martinez, Matuidi or M'Villa in there...

However back to the actuality, I'd like us to line up with three in midfield again. We've done it lots over the years and it's worked to our advantage, and to be honest I think it suits our players and our play a lot better than a 4-4-2, especially now Stevie is on his way back. For me we'd line up something like this.

--------Adam----Lucas-------
------------Gerrard------------
Suarez---Carroll--Downing

It's a good line up for me and it's very flexible. Drop Downing or Carroll bring in Bellamy or Kuyt (or Maxi). Want a bit more fight in middle? Drop in Spearing. However with a combination of Adam, Lucas and Gerrard (assuming Gerrard plays a little more withdrawn than he did with Torres) there would be plenty of bodies/fight to dominate the midfield and bring out Adam's qualities by allowing him a bit more support/time on the ball. It also in my mind solves the Henderson puzzle. For me he should be on the fringes of the first team, not an automatic starter that he seems to have become, however not the maligned "squad player". In this formation he could drop into Gerrard's position (I quite like him there) with Gerrard pushing back, or play on the right like he has been in the games so far. I think this would be for his benefit, there has been to much pressure placed on him so far and to be fair, he looks petrified. Like I mentioned a moment ago, it also allows us to play with a combination of attackers who, barring Carroll (despite Kenny's thoughts at the weekend), can quite easily play in any of the positions across the front three. Suarez, Kuyt, Bellamy can easily play all three and Downing and Maxi could play either wing. It provides us with a good amount of options and could allow some nice interchanging play. For me, this is really the way we need to go forward.

Chances of Kenny lining up like this? Minimal, but it would be nice, it's our strongest line up in my opinion, and on paper, it looks fantastic.
 
on paper it does look fantastic alright, but i don't think it works in reality. As has been noted by a few people (including yourself) the lucas/adam combo ain't working. For our midfield 2 to work one needs to be more mobile.

I don't like spearing but he should start next to lucas, as when they combine it's a force to be reckoned with. Those 2 should start every game

i'd be willing to play adam for a game in a more advanced role (while stevie is out) and see how he does. If he's shite then for me jonjo should be stevies understudy and thats that. Unless Adam changes how he plays, i'm not convinced he'll ever work out next to lucas.
 
Top class playmaker type midfielders need to be positionally excellent (something Alonso wasn't always given credit for and it made him very good defensively) and able always to manufacture time and space for themselves.

Thus far I've seen little evidence of those traits from Adam. He likes the ball at his feet and pinging passes about but it seems as though he can be shut out of the game a little too easily for my liking.

Funnily I think he'd be a lot better for United where players like Carrick have been able to get by just by feeding the attackers. Our platform for success is our central midfield and when it's not working everything else falls apart.

As things stand, I think we need a De Jong / Maschareno type that will give us some real aggression in the middle of the park - we don't have it and I don't think that'll change when Gerrard comes back.
 
We've lost the last two games. Prior to that I thought Adam had a decent, if unspectacular start. I certainly wouldn't go writing off him and Lucas as a partnership at this stage. Particularly when a central midfield of Lucas and Spearing is so utterly bereft of creativity. Plus, much as I like Spearing's endeavour, he's had maybe three outstanding games for us in his Liverpool career. The rest of the time he's looked anything from average, to hopelessly out of his depth.
 
I think Adam has aggression he's just fucking awful at tackling and painfully immobile. Every time I see him go in on a challenge I get reminded of that Boris Johnson animated gif.
 
I believe the main reason for our bumpy start is that we've almost litterally assembled and played a new midfield. It takes time for new players to gel and there will be ups and downs along the way.

The Spurs game was a one-off I'm absolutely certain. The Stoke game was a fluke - we should've at least had a point let alone three.

Adam's sending off was stupid but nothing to get too upset about. At least not yet.
 
I take on board the fact that weve assembled an entirely new midfield, and for it to even have a modicum of hope it needs to be given some time.

BUT

Surely Lucas, to accentuate his game-reading and positional qualities, needs someone mobile combative and dynamic alongside him. Adam isnt that.

And surely Adam's game would work better with a proper, full-fat DM to do all the scrapping and tear arsing around. Lucas isnt that.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=46939.msg1402298#msg1402298 date=1316521262]
BUT

Surely Lucas, to accentuate his game-reading and positional qualities, needs someone mobile combative and dynamic alongside him. Adam isnt that.

And surely Adam's game would work better with a proper, full-fat DM to do all the scrapping and tear arseing around. Lucas isnt that.
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Exactly what I was saying. However we don't have them. I think the extra man in the middle will be enough to win the fight. It'll also put Gerrard in a position which he excels in in an attacking sense.
 
I must admit I really like the look of your lineup with Gerrard in behind Carroll and Suarez and Downing out wide.
 
------Gerrard----Lucas-------
------------Suarez------------
Bellamy---Carroll--Downing

I'd av Carroll an Suarez switchin for each other.
 
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I believe the main reason for our bumpy start is that we've almost litterally assembled and played a new midfield. It takes time for new players to gel and there will be ups and downs along the way.

The Spurs game was a one-off I'm absolutely certain. The Stoke game was a fluke - we should've at least had a point let alone three.

Adam's sending off was stupid but nothing to get too upset about. At least not yet.
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I don't think it's the fact that it's a new partnership that's the problem, it's the fact that neither of them are really good enough to be starting for a club with real ambition. They're both pretty immobile and easily outfought and pressurised out of games.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=46939.msg1402298#msg1402298 date=1316521262]
I take on board the fact that weve assembled an entirely new midfield, and for it to even have a modicum of hope it needs to be given some time.

BUT

Surely Lucas, to accentuate his game-reading and positional qualities, needs someone mobile combative and dynamic alongside him. Adam isnt that.

And surely Adam's game would work better with a proper, full-fat DM to do all the scrapping and tear arsing around. Lucas isnt that.
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Nonsense, nonsense and more nonsense. A man like Kenny who has so much fucking experience as a player himself and a manager can overlooked the nonsense you spouted above. Fucking unbelievable isn't it? He fucking bought a player who can't fucking play in front of a non full-fat(what is this shit??) defensive midfielder (Lucas)...fucking hell! Do you fucking think Kenny is as stupid as that?? ??


Do you fucking know anything about anything?? ?? Adam is a decent player, decent player always find ways to adapt quickly with his new team mates, after all he has been playing in the Premiership for so long. Lucas on the other hand is an average central midfielder turned defensive midfielder. No amount of praise, passing completion percentage can change this.


Adam's problem is he isn't mobile enough to counter Spurs pace and passing in the center of midfield. To add to that, having a slow partner in Lucas doesn't help at all.
 
Yet again, patronising and condescending towards another poster. Over and over and over and over again. Why is this allowed to continue?
 
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[quote author=grjt link=topic=46939.msg1402298#msg1402298 date=1316521262]
I take on board the fact that weve assembled an entirely new midfield, and for it to even have a modicum of hope it needs to be given some time.

BUT

Surely Lucas, to accentuate his game-reading and positional qualities, needs someone mobile combative and dynamic alongside him. Adam isnt that.

And surely Adam's game would work better with a proper, full-fat DM to do all the scrapping and tear arsing around. Lucas isnt that.
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Nonsense, nonsense and more nonsense. A man like Kenny who has so much fucking experience as a player himself and a manager can overlooked the nonsense you spouted above. Fucking unbelievable isn't it? He fucking bought a player who can't fucking play in front of a non full-fat(what is this shit??) defensive midfielder (Lucas)...fucking hell! Do you fucking think Kenny is as stupid as that?? ??


Do you fucking know anything about anything?? ?? Adam is a decent player, decent player always find ways to adapt quickly with his new team mates, after all he has been playing in the Premiership for so long. Lucas on the other hand is an average central midfielder turned defensive midfielder. No amount of praise, passing completion percentage can change this.


Adam's problem is he isn't mobile enough to counter Spurs pace and passing in the center of midfield. To add to that, having a slow partner in Lucas doesn't help at all.
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Hahahaha! So, "a man like Kenny"... "with so much fucking experience" cant make a bad judgement call on blending midfield partners then? What, like Ferguson (Djemba Djemba, Kleberson) or Wenger (Denilson) they have "so much fucking experience" and they did....hmmmmm.

But as you say, Adam is clearly a "decent player" who always "adapts quickly" (like he did at Rangers...eh) and has been playing in the "Premiership for so long"...


For all the rest of your idiotic bluster you actually reiterated a couple of my points; Adam isnt mobile, and Lucas isnt a scrapping DM. Well done boy.
 
Sven may make shit posts, but at least he doesn't spend his entire time on here having a pop at other posters opinions.

Glock is a cunt.

Sorry mods.
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=46939.msg1402272#msg1402272 date=1316518082]

I don't like spearing but he should start next to lucas, as when they combine it's a force to be reckoned with. Those 2 should start every game


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Erm....I really don't think so. Not unless we are talking about something other than football. Such as, enabling me to fall asleep....they are ace at that!
 
I think it's too easy to say the Lucas/Adam combo isn't working. I don't think we should be playing 442 because none of our midfielders are really suited to it. Adam and Lucas would arguably work if there was an attacking fulcrum ahead of them like Gerrard (or Ming or Aqua for that matter) and certainly not Henderson, not yet anyway. The issue more so is a combination of Carroll not looking right, Henderson playing like a passenger, Downing playing alot of the time on the right instead of the left and no one being available to play the hole role well.

Ideally I'd play this, I don't care which players it fucks off:

-------------Lucas----Adam-------------
-----------------Gerrard------------------
---Kuyt-------Suarez-------Downing--

Carroll and Henderson need to work their way into the side, currently we're playing with two passengers and too much emphasis on the opposition to the point where we're confusing ourselves. Get back to basics, get Gerrard back in the side (or Maxi until that's feasible) and have players in their best positions. Simples. That team above is a good footballing side and you could incorporate Spearing, Shelvey or Maxi into it when others are unfit or not up to it. The issue right now is the two lads from the North East, they're well off the pace and it's costing us already.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=46939.msg1402371#msg1402371 date=1316530287]
Sven may make shit posts, but at least he doesn't spend his entire time on here having a pop at other posters opinions.

Glock is a boring, repetitive cunt.

Sorry mods.
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Fixed that for you. Boy!
 
Quite simply if everyone were to ignore him he would disappear off to annoy another forum.
Giving him attention, responding to his nonsense or rising to his bait is just feeding his cravings
 
I'd play 4231 with

Adam. Lucas

Maxi. Gerrard. Downing

Suarez


You could perhaps try Carroll up front with Suarez on the right for Maxi

I'd also be tempted to swap Adam for Henderson to give us some legs in midfield. Henderson's passing range is pretty good too.

Alternatively, go 4141 with

Lucas

Maxi/Bellamy. Gerrard. Suarez. Downing

Carroll
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=46939.msg1402371#msg1402371 date=1316530287]
Sven may make shit posts, but at least he doesn't spend his entire time on here having a pop at other posters opinions.

Glock is a cunt.

Sorry mods.
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He's nothing more than a pathetic parody George.

No one takes him seriously and anything he writes should wash over our heads. I wouldn't bother banning him, he doesn't matter enough.

No offence Glock.
 
Yeah. Glock's a self made joke that's just not that funny, nothing worth banning though. I loathe Sven more, there's never been a more pointless poster.
 
I'm hoping and praying we get to see these midfield combo's given a go:

Hendo--SG--Adam--Downing

Hendo--SG---Adam
 
DAVID MOYES reckons ­Charlie Adam might have been ­lining up for Everton against Liverpool today – if his brother hadn’t ­demanded a hefty cut.

Kenny Moyes is Adam’s agent and helped negotiate the Scottish midfielder’s £8m summer move from Blackpool to Anfield.


Adam is expected to start at Goodison as Kenny Dalglish’s side hunt their first ­Mersey derby win for 19 months.

But it could have been different if Everton’s finances had been more healthy and Moyes’ brother not been so expensive.

Everton boss Moyes said: “I was interested in him a while back.

“I couldn’t afford him and I couldn’t afford my brother’s wages either!


“I think Charlie Adam really came to the fore after he made his move to Blackpool from Rangers. I thought it was a great move for him.

“In a way it resurrected his career because he had bobbled around. But he went to Blackpool, did really well for them, and deservedly got his move.”
 
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“In a way it resurrected his career because he had bobbled around. But he went to Blackpool, did really well for them, and deservedly got his move.”
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He's still bobbling around...
 
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46939.msg1402640#msg1402640 date=1316593137]
I'm hoping and praying we get to see these midfield combo's given a go:

Hendo--SG--Adam--Downing

Hendo--SG---Adam


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I don't think its going to happen. I wanted 3 in the middle meself
 
I've seen enough of him in the starting line-up. He was rubbish. Again. Wasteful and ponderous as per (and despite a one-man advantage today). Lucas has looked twice the player next to him, and that's saying something.

And this is coming from someone who thought he'd be a good signing - a player with definite ability who'd shone at a a lower club and who I thought would take his game to the next level. I've seen nothing to suggest that though. Really, the only redeeming quality has been the quality of his left foot at times. Bar that, he's looked out of his depth for a club with top 4 ambitions.

He needs to get out of the starting XI for the time being, spend more time in the gym, and on the training pitch, and figure how to play quicker, more efficient football. There's no room for 'stand and deliver' type of players at a club wanting to challenge for top honours. He needs to improve his game vastly if he wants at making it here. A few good corners and the odd good crossfield ball does not a good midfielder make.
 
I thought he was better today. His best performance for us was still the first half vs Sunderland though. He needs more of that.
 
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