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Dreambeliever

Dreambeliever

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Under Evans we had a spine of English quality.

He’s had a French contingent.

Under Rafa it was Spainish.

Klopp didn’t really pillage Germany but Slot certainly has stamped the Dutch team all over his rebuild.

We now have VVD, Gakpo, Gravy and Frimpong and we might yet get more Dutch players arriving.

There was a worry that a Dutch coach might rub players, media and fans up the wrong way with the famous Dutch directness when things weren’t going so well.

Slot was for the most part perfect in front of the media last year and seems to have won all the players over (still didn’t like what he did to Quansah on game week 1 but hey ho)

So my question is how risky is to build our team around a nation that have more of a history of fighting publicly when the chips are down than winning?

On the flip side, I would love to be a fly on the wall to hear some of the banter in dressing room if this anything to go by.


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Dreambeliever said:
Under Evans we had a spine of English quality.

He’s had a French contingent.

Under Rafa it was Spainish.

Klopp didn’t really pillage Germany but Slot certainly has stamped the Dutch team all over his rebuild.

We now have VVD, Gakpo, Gravy and Frimpong and we might yet get more Dutch players arriving.

There was a worry that a Dutch coach might rub players, media and fans up the wrong way with the famous Dutch directness when things weren’t going so well.

Slot was for the most part perfect in front of the media last year and seems to have won all the players over (still didn’t like what he did to Quansah on game week 1 but hey ho)

So my question is how risky is to build our team around a nation that have more of a history of fighting publicly when the chips are down than winning?

On the flip side, I would love to be a fly on the wall to hear some of the banter in dressing room if this anything to go by.


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VVD, Gakpo, and Gravy were already here. The only Dutch signing we have made is Frimpong. Are we strongly linked to anymore Dutch players?
 
peekay said:
VVD, Gakpo, and Gravy were already here. The only Dutch signing we have made is Frimpong. Are we strongly linked to anymore Dutch players?
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I really hope not. I actually want another French player - for the defence I would like us to go and get Loic Baide from Seville - he is the tallest defender I have seen that we might be able to afford. It will give Konate a French buddy.
 
Who are the members of this French contingent that we allegedly had under Houllier?

Anelka, Zidane, Malouda and Lizarazu?

I think we just targeted cheap players at that time...
 
Hyena said:
Who are the members of this French contingent that we allegedly had under Houllier?

Anelka, Zidane, Malouda and Lizarazu?

I think we just targeted cheap players at that time...
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yes - Bruno, Pongo, some other kid, Cisse, Anelka on loan, but also did Diouf and his mate also come from the French league even though they were from Senegal.
 
There's a simple reason why we have a large number of Dutch players, which is that the Eredivise is inexpensive and there isn't a Real/Barcelona, PSG, or Bayern that sweep up all the best domestic prospects.
 
Hyena said:
There's a simple reason why we have a large number of Dutch players, which is that the Eredivise is inexpensive and there isn't a Real/Barcelona, PSG, or Bayern that sweep up all the best domestic prospects.
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They’re also one of the top ranking international sides. So are England, so take that with a pinch of salt.
 
Bernard Diomede, Gregory Vignal, Pongolle and Le Tallec...

There were a few, it's hard to remember them because they were mostly shit
 
Hyena said:
There's a simple reason why we have a large number of Dutch players, which is that the Eredivise is inexpensive and there isn't a Real/Barcelona, PSG, or Bayern that sweep up all the best domestic prospects.
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We've only bought one player directly from the Eredivise though.
 
I mean there were a few free transfers and youth signings but throughout his six years in charge, Houllier barely played any French players.

99% of the time, there wouldn't be a single French player in the stadium, let alone the starting 11. We were less French than a tikka masala.

In fact, Konate has more appearances for us as every single French player combined under Houllier. Lingerie
 
The Dutch national side does have a history of internal squabbles but I'm not aware of similar problems at club level. Our club seems at ease with itself these days and I'm confident that players from wherever will get drawn into that and thrive on it.
 
Judge Jules said:
The Dutch national side does have a history of internal squabbles but I'm not aware of similar problems at club level. Our club seems at ease with itself these days and I'm confident that players from wherever will get drawn into that and thrive on it.
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Yes and I should also add that Dutch players have fantastic work ethic. Those that have played for us have been hard working and dedicated.
 
I remember those tournaments in the 90s and 00s where the players and coach kept falling out, but I guess that was down to personnel at the time. Bit mad that they've had 8 national coaches in the last 8 years though. Something quite odd about that, especially at international level.
 
Dreambeliever said:
Under Evans we had a spine of English quality.

He’s had a French contingent.

Under Rafa it was Spainish.

Klopp didn’t really pillage Germany but Slot certainly has stamped the Dutch team all over his rebuild.

We now have VVD, Gakpo, Gravy and Frimpong and we might yet get more Dutch players arriving.

There was a worry that a Dutch coach might rub players, media and fans up the wrong way with the famous Dutch directness when things weren’t going so well.

Slot was for the most part perfect in front of the media last year and seems to have won all the players over (still didn’t like what he did to Quansah on game week 1 but hey ho)

So my question is how risky is to build our team around a nation that have more of a history of fighting publicly when the chips are down than winning?

On the flip side, I would love to be a fly on the wall to hear some of the banter in dressing room if this anything to go by.


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"how riskt is it to build our team around..."

Well the spine you talk about delivered only the second title we have won in 35 years, so not very.
 
… and who could forget Bruno Cheyrou…

… apart from, like, everyone!!!

The new Zidane!!!
 
Athens said:
I don't remember the known French composer, performer, record producer, and pioneer in the electronic, ambient and new-age genres playing for LFC.
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Wasn't Jean-Michel Jarre Jar Binks in a Star Wars movie as well
 

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Liverpool are close to appointing the former Netherlands international Giovanni van Bronckhorst to their backroom staff.

Van Bronckhorst will replace John Heitinga, who left the Premier League champions to become head coach at Ajax, and take his place in Arne Slot’s new-look think tank.

The 50-year-old has had recent spells as a manager at Rangers, guiding them to the Europa League final in 2022 where they lost to Eintracht Frankfurt, and then Besiktas before his dismissal in November.

Van Bronckhorst was also in charge of Rangers when they lost 7-1 to Liverpool in the Champions League in October 2022.

Van Bronckhorst began his managerial career at Feyenoord, Slot’s former club, and won the Eredivisie title in 2017. That was a success Slot emulated in 2023.

He will form part of the backroom team alongside Sipke Hulshoff and Aaron Briggs as Liverpool look to defend their title success next season.

Liverpool’s triumph owed much to the detailed level of coaching that Slot and his staff oversaw, eliciting improvement from established stars such as Mohamed Salah and Virgil van Dijk as well as players such as Ryan Gravenberch.

Heitinga acted as a “coaching mentor” to Gravenberch, with the player crediting him with helping him take a step forward in his career.

The way Slot works means that Van Bronckhorst will also take on similar responsibilities.

As well as a coaching background, Van Bronckhorst brings with him a wealth of experience from a storied playing career which began at Feyenoord before spells at Barcelona and Arsenal among other clubs.

Van Bronckhorst, a left-back, won the last of his 106 caps for the Netherlands in the World Cup final in 2010, playing alongside Heitinga as the Dutch lost 1-0 to Spain in Johannesburg.

Meanwhile, Liverpool are continuing talks with Bayer Leverkusen over a deal for Florian Wirtz and also Bournemouth for Milos Kerkez.

Heitinga wants to take goalkeeper Vitezslav Jaros, who made his Liverpool debut against Crystal Palace in a league game last season, to Ajax on loan.
 
Seems a terrific appointment for a number two. We'll never know how there things work in practice and the impact they have, but he was a terrific player, will be respected, especially by the Dutch crowd and likely highly familiar with the football Slot wants to play. Pleasing stuff.
 
King Binny said:

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Liverpool are close to appointing the former Netherlands international Giovanni van Bronckhorst to their backroom staff.

Van Bronckhorst will replace John Heitinga, who left the Premier League champions to become head coach at Ajax, and take his place in Arne Slot’s new-look think tank.

The 50-year-old has had recent spells as a manager at Rangers, guiding them to the Europa League final in 2022 where they lost to Eintracht Frankfurt, and then Besiktas before his dismissal in November.

Van Bronckhorst was also in charge of Rangers when they lost 7-1 to Liverpool in the Champions League in October 2022.

Van Bronckhorst began his managerial career at Feyenoord, Slot’s former club, and won the Eredivisie title in 2017. That was a success Slot emulated in 2023.

He will form part of the backroom team alongside Sipke Hulshoff and Aaron Briggs as Liverpool look to defend their title success next season.

Liverpool’s triumph owed much to the detailed level of coaching that Slot and his staff oversaw, eliciting improvement from established stars such as Mohamed Salah and Virgil van Dijk as well as players such as Ryan Gravenberch.

Heitinga acted as a “coaching mentor” to Gravenberch, with the player crediting him with helping him take a step forward in his career.

The way Slot works means that Van Bronckhorst will also take on similar responsibilities.

As well as a coaching background, Van Bronckhorst brings with him a wealth of experience from a storied playing career which began at Feyenoord before spells at Barcelona and Arsenal among other clubs.

Van Bronckhorst, a left-back, won the last of his 106 caps for the Netherlands in the World Cup final in 2010, playing alongside Heitinga as the Dutch lost 1-0 to Spain in Johannesburg.

Meanwhile, Liverpool are continuing talks with Bayer Leverkusen over a deal for Florian Wirtz and also Bournemouth for Milos Kerkez.

Heitinga wants to take goalkeeper Vitezslav Jaros, who made his Liverpool debut against Crystal Palace in a league game last season, to Ajax on loan.
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Sounds good
 
King Binny said:

View: https://x.com/_pauljoyce/status/1933192426266722607

Liverpool are close to appointing the former Netherlands international Giovanni van Bronckhorst to their backroom staff.

Van Bronckhorst will replace John Heitinga, who left the Premier League champions to become head coach at Ajax, and take his place in Arne Slot’s new-look think tank.

The 50-year-old has had recent spells as a manager at Rangers, guiding them to the Europa League final in 2022 where they lost to Eintracht Frankfurt, and then Besiktas before his dismissal in November.

Van Bronckhorst was also in charge of Rangers when they lost 7-1 to Liverpool in the Champions League in October 2022.

Van Bronckhorst began his managerial career at Feyenoord, Slot’s former club, and won the Eredivisie title in 2017. That was a success Slot emulated in 2023.

He will form part of the backroom team alongside Sipke Hulshoff and Aaron Briggs as Liverpool look to defend their title success next season.

Liverpool’s triumph owed much to the detailed level of coaching that Slot and his staff oversaw, eliciting improvement from established stars such as Mohamed Salah and Virgil van Dijk as well as players such as Ryan Gravenberch.

Heitinga acted as a “coaching mentor” to Gravenberch, with the player crediting him with helping him take a step forward in his career.

The way Slot works means that Van Bronckhorst will also take on similar responsibilities.

As well as a coaching background, Van Bronckhorst brings with him a wealth of experience from a storied playing career which began at Feyenoord before spells at Barcelona and Arsenal among other clubs.

Van Bronckhorst, a left-back, won the last of his 106 caps for the Netherlands in the World Cup final in 2010, playing alongside Heitinga as the Dutch lost 1-0 to Spain in Johannesburg.

Meanwhile, Liverpool are continuing talks with Bayer Leverkusen over a deal for Florian Wirtz and also Bournemouth for Milos Kerkez.

Heitinga wants to take goalkeeper Vitezslav Jaros, who made his Liverpool debut against Crystal Palace in a league game last season, to Ajax on loan.
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