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rurikbird

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Do you remember how after the Saints game (I think) Carra and other pundits were saying that our problem is that we have too many #10's in the squad and thus we are fundamentally unbalanced until we buy some new players. I wrote then that IMO the issue is not with having too many #10's on the pitch, but how they play with each other – basically if everyone just stands there and waits for a pass to come into their feet, nothing good will happen, but if players start making runs for each other, that's a different story. Well, a month or so has passed since then and we are now seeing our players are now making more and more attacking runs – still not as much as Borussia players in Klopp's best years, who were constantly on the move with or without the ball and routinely compared to a "swarm of bees" – but getting gradually closer to that style of play. After the City game Carra had nothing but praise for the work of our attacking trio consisting entirely of #10's, because all of them bought into this new concept and are happily doing the jobs of midfielders, wingers and forwards in addition to their natural playmaking duties.

Lallana is a case in point. I used to be fairly critical of him and doubted how he would fit in in this team, but I have to say he is looking better with each game under Klopp. His work-rate is absolutely phenomenal for an attacking player and his energy was crucial for us against City (you can also credit him with 2 "secondary assists" for Skrtel's and Coutinho's goals). I thought in that game he looked faster than I've ever seen him – because he was always running full speed into space and playing one-touch as much as possible. There were only a couple instances in the whole game (mostly in the 2nd half when Lallana and his teammates got a bit tired) when I thought he took too many touches or slowed the game down unnecessarily. I'm sure Klopp will point this out as he keeps polishing each of his players' games.

Hogging the ball and slowing the game down is the antithesis of Klopp's football, because it destroys the incentive for other players to make runs without the ball, which is the foundation of this style. Borussia pretty much never slowed the game down, even when they were 4:0 up – those runs without the ball and quick passes into space were so deeply ingrained by Klopp's 3rd or 4th year than they happened pretty much on auto-pilot, even when the players didn't particularly want to score. Technically gifted players have a natural tendency to make their technical skill with the ball the main focus of their game and don't afford the same attention to other aspects of the game, such as work without the ball. So what happens is that the player, by focusing on what he thinks is his strong point, limits his own potential and essentially plays at 90% or 80% of his effectiveness. Klopp's biggest strength is his ability to convince those technically gifted, arrogant players to work harder and do much more then they were asked to do under other managers – and all of this with a smile and good attitude. That's mainly where that extra 10-15% in the "Klopp effect" comes from and that's what we are starting to see with this team.
 
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The players only need to look at what the best player in the world does off the ball (in attack).
Messi's one of the most skillful in the world, but his willingness to make runs and quick incisive passes around the area makes him phenomenal.
Obviously having Barca players making those accurate passes to him no doubt heightens his motivation to work hard, but still.
 
Yes, and his drop in form last year coincided with an increased tendency to stand and wait for the ball. It was painful to watch at times. He would still go on his trademark runs from a standing start, but even with his talent it just wasn't enough (in comparison to the best version of himself). He acknowledged his mistake and went back to the work ethic instilled in him by Guardiola – another manager with the same gift as Klopp.
 
Who knows but if those front 3 of ours play like they did against city we could have our own version of the barca front 3.
 
Who knows but if those front 3 of ours play like they did against city we could have our own version of the barca front 3.

Lallana, Firmino and Coutinho will never score enough goals, which is why we still have to play a striker.

Coutinho's best ever tally was 8, last season. So far this season Lallana has scored zero. Firmino has one goal in 10 appearances. None of them are strikers.

I don't see how that compares in any way to Barcelona's Suarez, Messi and Neymar, other than the fact that there's three of them.
 
Lallana, Firmino and Coutinho will never score enough goals, which is why we still have to play a striker.

Coutinho's best ever tally was 8, last season. So far this season Lallana has scored zero. Firmino has one goal in 10 appearances. None of them are strikers.

I don't see how that compares in any way to Barcelona's Suarez, Messi and Neymar, other than the fact that there's three of them.

It's moron, the same guy who used to champion Downing as being Barca-level.
 
Lallana, Firmino and Coutinho will never score enough goals, which is why we still have to play a striker.

I agree and I think that's exactly what will happen once Benteke and Sturridge are both fit. That was not my point though.
 
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...tting-enough-from-liverpool8217s-three-no-10s
[article]There are plenty of creative players in Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool team but are they doing enough?

Christian Benteke got the goal within seconds of the restart that gave Liverpool a 1-0 win over Sunderland at the Stadium of Light on Wednesday night. The assist went to Adam Lallana but with the midfielder admitting it wasn't intended, questions remain over Liverpool's creativity.

Since scoring six goals at Southampton in the Capital One Cup, the next six matches have yielded only four goals. Speaking before kick-off, Jamie Carragher and Jamie Redknapp highlighted the role of Liverpool's attacking midfield trio of Lallana, Philippe Coutinho and Roberto Firmino.

"What frustrates me a little bit is that when we talk about Liverpool we say that they struggle to score goals, especially at Anfield," Carragher told Sky Sports. "So you'd imagine Brendan Rodgers or Jurgen Klopp were picking a more defensive team.

"But how many managers play with three No 10s in the team? Most are playing one or two at a push. He's getting three into the team and we're still talking about a lack of creativity? That shows these players have got to do more."

The work rate was evident against Sunderland. Lallana covered more ground than any other player on the pitch - 12.15 kilometres - while Firmino made 91 high-intensity runs, also more than anyone else. But this is not yet translating into the sort of cutting edge that Klopp craves.

Both Lallana and Firmino trail Coutinho on most of the key indicators of performance for an attacking midfielder. Coutinho has five Premier League goals this season. His two team-mates have just one between them. He's also outperforming them in terms of chances created and dribbles.

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There were plenty of examples before the break. Firmino was guilty of spurning a good chance early on when his control let him down after being put through by Coutinho. "You've got to do better there," said Carragher. "We spoke about the No 10s being more clinical."

Although Firmino hit a post with a long-range effort soon after, he then squandered another opening by heading straight at Vito Mannone from point-blank range. "One of them has to go in," added Carragher.

Firmino unselfishly set a chance up for Jordon Ibe late on and should have had his assist in stoppage time only for Benteke to be denied a second when one-on-one with Mannone. But for Redknapp, it's Lallana who is the greater concern anyway.

"The jury's out on Firmino but you've got to give him time," said Redknapp. "It's his first year in this league. I want a lot more from Lallana. If I'd paid £25m for him I'd want more goals and assists. He's so easy on the eye and does beautiful things with the ball but his end product isn't good enough.

"If you're given that opportunity as a player to play as a No 10 or out wide for Liverpool it should be a joy." Carragher agrees, adding: "I'm a fan of Lallana, he's got some nice touches. But he's too nice. He's not nasty enough. I don't mean tackling. I mean being in the box and finishing or assisting."

It seems that Jurgen Klopp might agree judging by Lallana's post-match interview. "The manager's tried to drum it into us that we've got to be a bit dirtier," the Liverpool man told Sky Sports. "We've got to fight a bit more and play teams at their own game."

Klopp's men have shown signs of doing just that in the last two games, picking up back-to-back 1-0 wins against direct teams with Benteke delivering both times. But Liverpool will need more goals - and assists of the intentional variety - from their trio of tens if they're to push on in 2016.[/article]
 
Lallana, Firmino and Coutinho will never score enough goals, which is why we still have to play a striker.

Coutinho's best ever tally was 8, last season. So far this season Lallana has scored zero. Firmino has one goal in 10 appearances. None of them are strikers.

I don't see how that compares in any way to Barcelona's Suarez, Messi and Neymar, other than the fact that there's three of them.

Hahaha..Exactly

The Barca front 3 are continuously moving, running the channels, making runs, and creating space for each other. Combine that with their trickery they are unplayable.



In our trio, Coutinho seems to be the most threatening. And even he is predictable at times. When he cuts in from the left hand side, pretty much all the fans in row Z behind the goal must be raising their hands to cover their face to protect themselves.
 
We can't press high on the pitch like Barcelona for example do because Mignolet isn't a good enough passer. He would need to act like a sweeper.

It is also a lot more difficult to set up a quick counter attack because Mignolet isn't don't have the game intelligence. That only one ball being used isn't helping either. Kick away the ball and the chance to make a counter attack is over.

We need a new Reina and more balls should being used.
 
Pity they didn't that time some idiot Liverpool fan threw a beachball on to the pitch.

Still, we put that to bed last night. 😎
 
Did you give a kiss before you put it to bed? Did it sleep ok or did it have nightmares?
 
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