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Liverpool owners ponder sports and business decisions
By Bill Wilson Business reporter, BBC News

Liverpool FC's owners Fenway Sports Group say they have still to reach a deal on giving the manager's job to Kenny Dalglish on a full-time basis.

The US firm is taking a similar "wait and see" stance on whether to improve Anfield or move to a new stadium.

"The conversations are happening now with the appropriate people and the ownership," says Fenway's Sam Kennedy.

He also says sport commitments mean new Liverpool stakeholder, NBA star LeBron James, will not visit Anfield soon.

The James deal, announced earlier this week, took the sporting and business world by surprise.

It is the first time Fenway, controlled by businessmen John Henry and Tom Werner, have taken on an individual sportsman.

The US company, which owns Major League Baseball team Boston Red Sox and Fenway Racing, will now represent Mr James globally, with the Miami Heat player becoming a minority owner of Liverpool in return.
'Unique deal'

And Fenway president Sam Kennedy explained to the BBC how investment guru Warren Buffett played an unlikely role in precipitating the deal.

"LeBron James and his business partner Maverick Carter have had a personal connection with Tom Werner and John Henry since they met at a Berkshire Hathaway Conference investment conference," he says.
LeBron James of the Miami Heat LeBron James had been looking for business development opportunities

"Last autumn, we heard that they were looking for business development opportunities.

"They consulted Tom and John and came to us to discuss those endeavours, and that has resulted in this deal."

Despite talks starting six months ago, the deal was only completed last week.

"The fact someone like LeBron James has acquired a limited stake in a football club makes this deal unique, and also Fenway Sports Management group does not have individual athletes in its roster," adds Mr Kennedy.



Talks between them and Kenny Dalglish about the current caretaker manager's future began three weeks ago.

"We have a taken a wait and see approach," says Mr Kennedy.

"The conversations are happening now with the appropriate people - Ian Ayre, Damien Comolli, and the ownership.

"But I do think he [Dalglish] has provided a great lift. He is a wonderful man, he is passionate about the club."

Mr Kennedy said Fenway had been "excited about the recent appointments" of Ian Ayre as managing director, of Damien Comolli as director of football, and of Mr Dalglish.


"It is fun to watch Liverpool," he says, adding that "we hope to get better next season".

Since the 59-year-old Anfield legend Kenny Dalglish replaced Roy Hodgson in January, he has stabilised the team and taken them to the fringe of a potential Europa League place.

Meanwhile, Fernando Torres has been sold to Chelsea for £50m, with signings Luis Suarez, for £23m, and Andy Carroll , for £35m, becoming new Kop favourites.


As well as the manager's post, the club's owners have yet to make any firm announcement on whether to stay at their Anfield home or move to a new stadium.

If the club does build a new arena, then it will be looking for a naming rights partner, such as Arsenal did when they moved from Highbury to the Emirates.

"We will aggressively comb the world for a potential partner, and Fenway Sports Group supports Ian Ayre in his efforts on this," says Mr Kennedy.

"I can confirm there will only be a naming rights deal if Liverpool move to a new stadium. Anfield will stay as Anfield."

He said Fenway Sports Group was constantly working on potential deals for its sports properties - Liverpool, Boston Red Sox, and Fenway Racing.

And any new potential deals could have a bearing on whether the club stays at its current location.

"What we did at [Red Sox home] Fenway Park was we increased income from our sponsorship, so we did not need to go for a naming rights deal and preserved the stadium name there," says Mr Kennedy.


On other commercial matters, he poured cold water on the idea that Liverpool might look to buy Asian players simply to maximise marketing potential in East and South East Asia.


Players such as Park Ji Sung at Manchester United and Shunsuke Nakamura when he was at Celtic, helped boost those clubs' profiles in South Korea and Japan, and also in the wider region.

Club sponsors Standard Chartered had suggested this might be a route Liverpool look at going down.

"In 2007, the Red Sox signed pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka out of Japan, and everyone suggested that this was being done for business reasons," says Mr Kennedy.

"But any player that we sign for the Red Sox or for Liverpool will be signed for their impact on the sports field, not business reasons.

"Winning on the field comes first, and business issues come second. Business supports the activities on the playing field."
'Learning about football'


Meanwhile, the Liverpool faithful should not expect any visit soon from new stakeholder and basketball star LeBron James.


"He is excited about coming into a new sport and learning about Liverpool Football Club," says the Fenway president.

"He will be busy for now with the NBA, but will be rooting for Liverpool from afar.

"That means he will not be at Anfield any time soon, but he does plan to come at some time in the future though."

But football fans may be surprised by how much the 6ft 8in basketball superstar knows about the sport Americans call soccer.

"Like a lot of Americans he is still learning about the business, power and reach of football," says Mr Kennedy.

"However, he knows more about football than your average US sports fan.

"He was talking about Liverpool's 18 League Championships, and is excited to talk about Kenny Dalglish and the team he is putting together."
 
New York Times takes major stake in Liverpool football club

The New York Times Company, America’s most distinguished newspaper group, has emerged as the second-largest shareholder in Liverpool FC, according to new disclosures from the club’s owner, Fenway Sports Group.

Sign of the times: The New York Times Company has emerged as the second-largest shareholder in Liverpool FC Photo: REUTERS
By Paul Kelso 10:30PM BST 12 Apr 2011
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John W Henry has revealed precious little detail about the ownership structure since he took control last October, but Premier League rules have required him to reveal that he and the Times group are the two most significant shareholders in FSG, which owns Liverpool and the Boston Red Sox.
The newspaper publisher, a publicly-listed company in the US, was known to be an investor in FSG, formerly New England Sports Ventures, but the size of its stake in the company and Liverpool was not previously clear.
When LeBron James secured a minuscule stake in FSG last week it attracted global interest, but the basketball star’s cosmetic involvement obscured this far more significant revelation.
Henry had initially declared only that he and club chairman Tom Werner shared 50 per cent of the voting rights in Liverpool, but has had to update the declaration of interest after the Premier League pointed out that it did not tally with its information.
The League requires clubs to declare all owners with more than 10 per cent, prompting a revised declaration on the club’s website. It reveals that Henry and the Times group are the only investors with more than 10 per cent of FSG, though Henry is understood to be the largest single shareholder.

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More investors more money?
 
Was there any good reason for Henry to lie about the club's ownership structure?
So does someone from NYTimes have the right to vote? You'd imagine so, as they're part of Fenway and put in the second largest amount of money for the buyout.
 
More investors = more people looking to make money. It makes it less likely that we'll see outside money invested in the club for transfers too since a rights issue would be required.

On the upside there was always doubt about where the money for the buyout came from, but that picture is clearing up.
 
Fenway Partners

John W. Henry - Principal Owner
Thomas C. Werner - Chairman
Theodore Alfond
William Alfond
Thomas R. DiBenedetto
Michael Egan
David Ginsberg - Vice Chairman
Michael Gordon
John A. Kaneb
LeBron James
Seth Klarman
Larry Lucchino - President, CEO
Henry F. McCance
Phillip H. Morse - Vice Chairman
The New York Times Company
Art Nicholas
Frank Resnek
Martin Trust
Jeffrey Vinik[6]


Is it wrong to presume that some or all of the above have a stake in LFC?
 
It strikes me the decision to redevelop Anfield or build a new stadium rests on the possibility of someone giving us a great deal on new stadium naming rights, and thus fund a large proportion of the building. The way we are heading at the moment as opposed to six months ago, I would not bet against that happening.

The Kenny situation is a bit muddy too, am I alone in thinking that FSG keep making really great sound bites about what a great man and how passionate he is about the club etc, but really have someone else in mind and are waiting to see if they commit before giving it to Kenneth?


regards
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44873.msg1315023#msg1315023 date=1302708228]
am I alone in thinking that FSG keep making really great sound bites about what a great man and how passionate he is about the club etc, but really have someone else in mind and are waiting to see if they commit before giving it to Kenneth?


regards
[/quote]

nope.
 
I don't think they're actively looking to replace him; surely they're not so blind not to realise that our biggest problems are with the team, not the manager.

It's probably very likely that Kenny's not going to be here for a very long time though
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44873.msg1315123#msg1315123 date=1302719001]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44873.msg1315023#msg1315023 date=1302708228]
am I alone in thinking that FSG keep making really great sound bites about what a great man and how passionate he is about the club etc, but really have someone else in mind and are waiting to see if they commit before giving it to Kenneth?

regards
[/quote]

nope.
[/quote]
Seconded.
I don't trust American businessmen.
 
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44873.msg1315125#msg1315125 date=1302719784]
I don't think they're actively looking to replace him; surely they're not so blind not to realise that our biggest problems are with the team, not the manager.

It's probably very likely that Kenny's not going to be here for a very long time though
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It's a complicated issue IMO. On one hand you have an absolute legend managing the club. Adored by the fans with an outstanding record. Got us back in the race for European places despite some questionable performances in Europe and against lower level clubs.

On the other he's 60 years old, been out of the game for a while and is somewhat unknown among the current players in the game.
 
I'm not sure about that, I actually think they're of the view that Kenny is the best choice out there for the moment.
 
I just wish they'd give him a proper deal so I can chillax about next year. The other options just don't add up.
 
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44873.msg1315125#msg1315125 date=1302719784]
I don't think they're actively looking to replace him; surely they're not so blind not to realise that our biggest problems are with the team, not the manager.

It's probably very likely that Kenny's not going to be here for a very long time though
[/quote]

While I agree, I wouldn't mind if they felt it was a good idea to check out whether there was potential to get other top managers in.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44873.msg1315126#msg1315126 date=1302719822]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44873.msg1315123#msg1315123 date=1302719001]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44873.msg1315023#msg1315023 date=1302708228]
am I alone in thinking that FSG keep making really great sound bites about what a great man and how passionate he is about the club etc, but really have someone else in mind and are waiting to see if they commit before giving it to Kenneth?

regards
[/quote]

nope.
[/quote]
Seconded.
I don't trust American businessmen.
[/quote]

It's not a matter of trust, I trust them to make the right decision based on the fact they have done and said the right things thus far. I think Dalglish has done a fantastic job, and has unified the fans, but if they do give it to someone else we have to trust them , assuming it's not someone overtly unsuitable, until such a time any appointment was seen as wrong.
I am just curious as to who it might be, if indeed my gut feeling is right and there is a target.

regards
 
There are always rumours about Guardiola fancying a new challenge and he loves the Premiership
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44873.msg1315140#msg1315140 date=1302722047]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44873.msg1315126#msg1315126 date=1302719822]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44873.msg1315123#msg1315123 date=1302719001]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44873.msg1315023#msg1315023 date=1302708228]
am I alone in thinking that FSG keep making really great sound bites about what a great man and how passionate he is about the club etc, but really have someone else in mind and are waiting to see if they commit before giving it to Kenneth?

regards
[/quote]

nope.
[/quote]
Seconded.
I don't trust American businessmen.
[/quote]

It's not a matter of trust, I trust them to make the right decision based on the fact they have done and said the right things thus far. I think Dalglish has done a fantastic job, and has unified the fans, but if they do give it to someone else we have to trust them , assuming it's not someone overtly unsuitable, until such a time any appointment was seen as wrong.
I am just curious as to who it might be, if indeed my gut feeling is right and there is a target.

regards
[/quote]

It's also a racist comment. Let's face it Newcastle cant be happy with their 'businessmen' so why say American?
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44873.msg1315140#msg1315140 date=1302722047]
It's not a matter of trust, I trust them to make the right decision based on the fact they have done and said the right things thus far. I think Dalglish has done a fantastic job, and has unified the fans, but if they do give it to someone else we have to trust them , assuming it's not someone overtly unsuitable, until such a time any appointment was seen as wrong.
I am just curious as to who it might be, if indeed my gut feeling is right and there is a target.

regards
[/quote]

I also think if that they do bring in a new manager it would likely be with blessing of Kenny with him believing it's the best for the club. I don't think, given, the commitment he's shown to this club, they would disrepect him that much.
 
It's going to be a very brave call to replace Kenny Dalglish at this point. He has earned the right to continue as has Steve Clarke.

There are few if any better available options currently and any other Manager would have to hit the ground running as a loss of momentum at this point could alienate the fanbase again and stall progress.

There would be little patience for the King's replacement unless he sanctioned it and it looks to me like Kenny is relishing the job so I can't see he's going to walk away anytime soon.
 
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=44873.msg1315162#msg1315162 date=1302724097]
It's going to be a very brave call to replace Kenny Dalglish at this point. He has earned the right to continue as has Steve Clarke.

There are few if any better available options currently and any other Manager would have to hit the ground running as a loss of momentum at this point could alienate the fanbase again and stall progress.

There would be little patience for the King's replacement unless he sanctioned it and it looks to me like Kenny is relishing the job so I can't see he's going to walk away anytime soon.
[/quote]

Exactly so and maybe why the caution and non committal remarks

regards
 
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=44873.msg1315127#msg1315127 date=1302719902]
I reckon two year deal is already done
[/quote]

I reckon they're sounding out all the options, and that includes Kenny. I don't think anything is decided yet.
 
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=44873.msg1315151#msg1315151 date=1302723248]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44873.msg1315140#msg1315140 date=1302722047]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44873.msg1315126#msg1315126 date=1302719822]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44873.msg1315123#msg1315123 date=1302719001]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44873.msg1315023#msg1315023 date=1302708228]
am I alone in thinking that FSG keep making really great sound bites about what a great man and how passionate he is about the club etc, but really have someone else in mind and are waiting to see if they commit before giving it to Kenneth?

regards
[/quote]

nope.
[/quote]
Seconded.
I don't trust American businessmen.
[/quote]

It's not a matter of trust, I trust them to make the right decision based on the fact they have done and said the right things thus far. I think Dalglish has done a fantastic job, and has unified the fans, but if they do give it to someone else we have to trust them , assuming it's not someone overtly unsuitable, until such a time any appointment was seen as wrong.
I am just curious as to who it might be, if indeed my gut feeling is right and there is a target.

regards
[/quote]

It's also a racist comment. Let's face it Newcastle cant be happy with their 'businessmen' so why say American?
[/quote]

Didn't now that Americans are a race.
We're still recovering after being raped by Hicks and Gillette so I'm sorry for not trusting American businessmen.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44873.msg1315204#msg1315204 date=1302727479]
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=44873.msg1315151#msg1315151 date=1302723248]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44873.msg1315140#msg1315140 date=1302722047]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44873.msg1315126#msg1315126 date=1302719822]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44873.msg1315123#msg1315123 date=1302719001]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44873.msg1315023#msg1315023 date=1302708228]
am I alone in thinking that FSG keep making really great sound bites about what a great man and how passionate he is about the club etc, but really have someone else in mind and are waiting to see if they commit before giving it to Kenneth?

regards
[/quote]

nope.
[/quote]
Seconded.
I don't trust American businessmen.
[/quote]

It's not a matter of trust, I trust them to make the right decision based on the fact they have done and said the right things thus far. I think Dalglish has done a fantastic job, and has unified the fans, but if they do give it to someone else we have to trust them , assuming it's not someone overtly unsuitable, until such a time any appointment was seen as wrong.
I am just curious as to who it might be, if indeed my gut feeling is right and there is a target.

regards
[/quote]

It's also a racist comment. Let's face it Newcastle cant be happy with their 'businessmen' so why say American?
[/quote]

Didn't now that Americans are a race.
We're still recovering after being raped by Hicks and Gillette so I'm sorry for not trusting American businessmen.
[/quote]

Well that's ignorant.

Actually, you're right. Racism is the wrong word. So please insert Xenophobic in it's place. Ta.
 
Red Mullet - don't you think you're being a tad bit harsh? I assume (I guess I'm giving the benefit of the doubt) that Modo is still wary of American sports owners in footy. He's not signaling out all American business owners - which is preposterous considering the millions successful ones out there.
 
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=44873.msg1315218#msg1315218 date=1302729307]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44873.msg1315204#msg1315204 date=1302727479]
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=44873.msg1315151#msg1315151 date=1302723248]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44873.msg1315140#msg1315140 date=1302722047]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44873.msg1315126#msg1315126 date=1302719822]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44873.msg1315123#msg1315123 date=1302719001]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44873.msg1315023#msg1315023 date=1302708228]
am I alone in thinking that FSG keep making really great sound bites about what a great man and how passionate he is about the club etc, but really have someone else in mind and are waiting to see if they commit before giving it to Kenneth?

regards
[/quote]

nope.
[/quote]
Seconded.
I don't trust American businessmen.
[/quote]

It's not a matter of trust, I trust them to make the right decision based on the fact they have done and said the right things thus far. I think Dalglish has done a fantastic job, and has unified the fans, but if they do give it to someone else we have to trust them , assuming it's not someone overtly unsuitable, until such a time any appointment was seen as wrong.
I am just curious as to who it might be, if indeed my gut feeling is right and there is a target.

regards
[/quote]

It's also a racist comment. Let's face it Newcastle cant be happy with their 'businessmen' so why say American?
[/quote]

Didn't now that Americans are a race.
We're still recovering after being raped by Hicks and Gillette so I'm sorry for not trusting American businessmen.
[/quote]

Well that's ignorant.

Actually, you're right. Racism is the wrong word. So please insert Xenophobic in it's place. Ta.
[/quote]
So not trusting American Businessmen in relation to LFC means that I'm Xenophobic, riiiiight...
Ta indeed.
 
I may have to look up the dictionary again, but I'm pretty sure not trusting people solely because they are American does actually make you xenophobic(comes from fear of foreigners).
 
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=44873.msg1315228#msg1315228 date=1302731030]
I may have to look up the dictionary again, but I'm pretty sure not trusting people solely because they are American does actually make you xenophobic(comes from fear of foreigners).
[/quote]

It does, but "American businessmen"?
I'm being kinda specific here.

So if I say I don't trust Americans politicians is that Xenophobic as well?
 
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