Non Existent Midfield
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I really wish Yossi had started.
I really hope Babel doesn't start another game.
I really hope Babel doesn't start another game.
We can play:
---------Torres-----------
Riera----Yossi-----Kuyt
-----Masch--Gerrard----
---------Torres-----------
Riera----Yossi-----Kuyt
-----Masch--Gerrard----
Gerrard has to play in the midfield. The Gerrard/Torres partnership will be useless if the midfield can't get the ball to them.
They never got in the game. I just hope we bring in some striker, who can play with Torres and also adequately replace him when there is a need.
We look too thin.
They never got in the game. I just hope we bring in some striker, who can play with Torres and also adequately replace him when there is a need.
We look too thin.
It wasnt Lucas and Mascherano who cost us that game.
It was a guff performance from every player excluding Johnson and Benayoun. We'd do well to play that cunt again. I hate the fact this was our first fixture. We always play shit at whl and i just hate the fact united and chelsea got easy games.
The way id look at it is this.
If we beat Stoke on Wednesday we'll be 2 points better off than after those 2 games last year.
It was a guff performance from every player excluding Johnson and Benayoun. We'd do well to play that cunt again. I hate the fact this was our first fixture. We always play shit at whl and i just hate the fact united and chelsea got easy games.
The way id look at it is this.
If we beat Stoke on Wednesday we'll be 2 points better off than after those 2 games last year.
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"But we'll break up the Gerrard, Torres partnership, blah, blah"
There is no basis for a partnership if the midfield can't string 5 passes together. We need to seriously consider pairing Gerrard with Mascherano in the midfield.
There is no basis for a partnership if the midfield can't string 5 passes together. We need to seriously consider pairing Gerrard with Mascherano in the midfield.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=35266.msg925726#msg925726 date=1250442549]
It wasnt Lucas and Mascherano who cost us that game.
It was a guff performance from every player excluding Johnson and Benayoun. We'd do well to play that cunt again.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^
Spurs pressed us really hard in the first half and nobody looked comfortable, that's why we struggled to string passes together and got absolutely nothing going.
They couldn't keep that up for 90 mins and that's why we were better in the second half, but unfortunately we weren't good enough today.
It wasnt Lucas and Mascherano who cost us that game.
It was a guff performance from every player excluding Johnson and Benayoun. We'd do well to play that cunt again.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^
Spurs pressed us really hard in the first half and nobody looked comfortable, that's why we struggled to string passes together and got absolutely nothing going.
They couldn't keep that up for 90 mins and that's why we were better in the second half, but unfortunately we weren't good enough today.
we can blame the midfield for not creating chances but the defense let in two goals which really should have been defended better.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35266.msg925769#msg925769 date=1250443508]
we can blame the midfield for not creating chances but the defense let in two goals which really should have been defended better.
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And it could have been more were it not for Pepe Reina and Robbie Keane
we can blame the midfield for not creating chances but the defense let in two goals which really should have been defended better.
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And it could have been more were it not for Pepe Reina and Robbie Keane
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=35266.msg925702#msg925702 date=1250442112]
We can play:
---------Torres-----------
Riera----Yossi-----Kuyt
-----Masch--Gerrard----
[/quote]
That should be the way to play until Aquilani's ready.
We can play:
---------Torres-----------
Riera----Yossi-----Kuyt
-----Masch--Gerrard----
[/quote]
That should be the way to play until Aquilani's ready.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35266.msg925769#msg925769 date=1250443508]
we can blame the midfield for not creating chances but the defense let in two goals which really should have been defended better.
[/quote]We were lucky to just concede two. The cohesion between Carragher and Skrtel was non existent. The communication accross the back 5 was lacking throughout.
Our crosses were still lacking as were the numbers gett.ing into the box.
Torres and gerrard lacked control and direction, kuyt was unusually quiet, lucas and mascherano never reeeally got any amount of authority in the middle. The big concern for me was how much we buckled under the harrasment of spurs. We will be getting that all season from teams outside the top 4 and we need to handle it better. Starting on wednesday.
we can blame the midfield for not creating chances but the defense let in two goals which really should have been defended better.
[/quote]We were lucky to just concede two. The cohesion between Carragher and Skrtel was non existent. The communication accross the back 5 was lacking throughout.
Our crosses were still lacking as were the numbers gett.ing into the box.
Torres and gerrard lacked control and direction, kuyt was unusually quiet, lucas and mascherano never reeeally got any amount of authority in the middle. The big concern for me was how much we buckled under the harrasment of spurs. We will be getting that all season from teams outside the top 4 and we need to handle it better. Starting on wednesday.
may as well get this in early 😉
when agger is fit he should go straight into the team.
when agger is fit he should go straight into the team.
I think it's clear that we have to play Gerrard in the deeper role. We were completely over run in midfield, we needed that player who was going to be planted in the centre of the pitch that you can play every ball back to when nothing else is on. Mascherano isn't, and shouldn't, be that player. His job is to put himself about and break play up where ever the ball is. And Lucas simply isn't able to do it, it's not his fault, it just isn't in his game to be able to read the positions of other players and passes.
As much as I love the Gerrard/Torres partnership it isn't gonna work if there's no one the play the ball up to them, Gerrard dropped deeper as the game went on to collect the ball, the problem then was that Torres was left isolated up top.
Until Aquilani is fit, Gerrard needs to be moved deeper with Benayuon starting behind Torres.
As much as I love the Gerrard/Torres partnership it isn't gonna work if there's no one the play the ball up to them, Gerrard dropped deeper as the game went on to collect the ball, the problem then was that Torres was left isolated up top.
Until Aquilani is fit, Gerrard needs to be moved deeper with Benayuon starting behind Torres.
[quote author=Anita link=topic=35266.msg925873#msg925873 date=1250449666]
I think it's clear that we have to play Gerrard in the deeper role. We were completely over run in midfield, we needed that player who was going to be planted in the centre of the pitch that you can play every ball back to when nothing else is on. Mascherano isn't, and shouldn't, be that player. His job is to put himself about and break play up where ever the ball is. And Lucas simply isn't able to do it, it's not his fault, it just isn't in his game to be able to read the positions of other players and passes.
As much as I love the Gerrard/Torres partnership it isn't gonna work if there's no one the play the ball up to them, Gerrard dropped deeper as the game went on to collect the ball, the problem then was that Torres was left isolated up top.
Until Aquilani is fit, Gerrard needs to be moved deeper with Benayuon starting behind Torres.
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Either that or a 4-4-2 until Aquaman is fit with Kuyt off Torres or alternatively on the right with Benayoun of Torres.
God we have so few realistic options which are any way close to being an improvement on the first 11.
I think it's clear that we have to play Gerrard in the deeper role. We were completely over run in midfield, we needed that player who was going to be planted in the centre of the pitch that you can play every ball back to when nothing else is on. Mascherano isn't, and shouldn't, be that player. His job is to put himself about and break play up where ever the ball is. And Lucas simply isn't able to do it, it's not his fault, it just isn't in his game to be able to read the positions of other players and passes.
As much as I love the Gerrard/Torres partnership it isn't gonna work if there's no one the play the ball up to them, Gerrard dropped deeper as the game went on to collect the ball, the problem then was that Torres was left isolated up top.
Until Aquilani is fit, Gerrard needs to be moved deeper with Benayuon starting behind Torres.
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Either that or a 4-4-2 until Aquaman is fit with Kuyt off Torres or alternatively on the right with Benayoun of Torres.
God we have so few realistic options which are any way close to being an improvement on the first 11.
I actually hoping we don't need him (aquaman) because if we are pining for him a month from now it's probably because results aren't going our way.
[quote author=Roger REDerer link=topic=35266.msg925779#msg925779 date=1250443761]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=35266.msg925702#msg925702 date=1250442112]
We can play:
---------Torres-----------
Riera----Yossi-----Kuyt
-----Masch--Gerrard----
[/quote]
That should be the way to play until Aquilani's ready.
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Yeah.
Or maybe this:
Torres - Kuyt
Yossi - Gerrard
Lucas - Mascherano
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=35266.msg925702#msg925702 date=1250442112]
We can play:
---------Torres-----------
Riera----Yossi-----Kuyt
-----Masch--Gerrard----
[/quote]
That should be the way to play until Aquilani's ready.
[/quote]
Yeah.
Or maybe this:
Torres - Kuyt
Yossi - Gerrard
Lucas - Mascherano
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=35266.msg925959#msg925959 date=1250454474]
Agreed Onky, roll on Stoke!
I do hope we sell Voronin though, and add a quality attacker to the squad. Our bench today was horrible.
I want us to play 442 against Stoke, but i doubt Rafa will do that.
[/quote]More worrying is the fact our whole front 4 were bollocks. If even 1 of them fires we can win a game, if 2 of them do we SHOULD win a game. But when all 4 of them play so poorly (against a top 6 or 7 side) you're on a hiding to nothing.
Lucas and Mascherano werent the issue.
Agreed Onky, roll on Stoke!
I do hope we sell Voronin though, and add a quality attacker to the squad. Our bench today was horrible.
I want us to play 442 against Stoke, but i doubt Rafa will do that.
[/quote]More worrying is the fact our whole front 4 were bollocks. If even 1 of them fires we can win a game, if 2 of them do we SHOULD win a game. But when all 4 of them play so poorly (against a top 6 or 7 side) you're on a hiding to nothing.
Lucas and Mascherano werent the issue.
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=35266.msg925962#msg925962 date=1250454800]
I'm not over-reacting about the midfield as a whole. It's just I don't want a repeat of today. It was the most disappointing part of our whole performance. I wish they had of tried a bit harder.
[/quote]No it wasnt.
I'm not over-reacting about the midfield as a whole. It's just I don't want a repeat of today. It was the most disappointing part of our whole performance. I wish they had of tried a bit harder.
[/quote]No it wasnt.
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