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A couple of days old. The original article:


Seated in a restaurant on a quiet afternoon, Rafa Benitez laughs as he tells the story of how he first stumbled into coaching. No, not the injury problems that forced him into early retirement as a player at the age of 26 and subsequent entry into Real Madrid's coaching staff -- but how he got involved with coaching one of the boys' teams at his daughter's school in Liverpool.

This particular boys' team had been losing a majority of their games and the school had asked Benitez if he'd be willing to help out. Benitez had originally demurred due to other time commitments, but one day had shown up to watch one of the games. He made a couple of tactical suggestions ( for instance one of the larger kids had been used in the center of midfield, while Benitez advised he should be deployed on the wing to place the player into more space) and armed with the new strategy the team immediately proceeded to win. A smile crosses his face as he remembers the postgame celebration, where some of the parents told him that he was "pretty good at this sort of thing" and should keep managing the team.

It's not just coaching youth teams that occupies Benitez's time. These days the former Valencia and Liverpool manager and most recently Inter, keeps busy working with his website, which in addition to highlighting his tactical observations, helps to promote the charitable works undertaken by his wife's foundation (which among other things, gives financial support to the Hillsborough Family Support Group). The rest of his time is spent watching games -- lots of them -- both in preparation for his role as a pundit for Eurosport but mostly for his own interest. "When you are not training or not coaching, you have to do a lot of things," said Benitez. "Some people just go on holidays and enjoy watching TV, but I like to analyze games, I like to know how teams play, the tactics, the players if they are good enough or not for the future if I [look] to sign players."

It's at this point that Benitez shows me what he and his staff have developed: a new coahing app for the iPad called Globall Coach. It's a tool for coaches (both professional and amateur) that can be used as a visual teaching aid to facilitate learning. "The [initial] idea of a program was to show the fans the tactics of Istanbul 2005 when we won the Champions League [at Liverpool]," said Benitez. "The movement we were doing with Kaka between the lines and after, a line of three defenders. We started working with the IT people and thought 'why don't we create a program that we can use.'"

The app itself is incredibly versatile, it can even be programmed to assess the tactics of a specific game that one has watched. Benitez himself uses it after matches to examine a team's movement and analyze the shape of the game. We talk about tactics for a while as Benitez scrolls through various matches that have caught his interest as of late. He's particularly intrigued by what Borussia Dortmund does, "When I was a young coach, I liked AC Milan," said Benitez, "now I think Borussia Dortmund is doing a really good job. They play with four defenders high, they press high, they go with their fullbacks forward all the time, with wingers inside. If they have to play direct football they go to support quickly and if they give a goal away they press with 2-3 players on the ball. They're very good with their movements." Obviously the current Barcelona and Real Madrid squads also stand out, but Benitez is keen to emphasize that what helps make both teams special is their willingness to press when they lose the ball and the intensity of that pressing.

It's a fascinating conversation as Benitez notes the differences throughout various teams, leagues and compares both their schemes and the numbers. "The main thing for me is passes per game, passing accuracy and in particular final third passing accuracy." It's here that he points out that MLS is far below the other leagues (only a 58.7percent final third passing accuracy compared to 64-65 percent in England, Italy and Spain and with a higher propensity for longer passes, 15.8 percent compared to figures in the 13-14 percent range for top European leagues).

As the tactical discussion continues, it's only natural to ask if we've reached the pinnacle of tactical evolution in the modern game. Just how much more advanced can the thinking develop? After all, many of the staples such as pressing, a high defensive line and zonal marking were in fact proposed or instituted by Victor Maslov, famed for his work with Dynamo Kyiv in the Sixties. "It's not the same systems they were using in the past, similar systems but there's now more pace, more intensity," said Benitez. "I remember an article when they talked about the time you had when you received the ball, I don't remember the exact figures but I think it said it was 4 seconds for Garrincha, 3.5 for Cruyff, 2 for Maradona, 1.5 seconds for the lowest etc.

"So it means you have less time and you have to do things quicker, you don't see as many people dribbling and running with the ball because the opposition are on top of you so quickly you have to pass the ball -- nowadays there's more emphasis on collective technique more than individual technique."

The conversation inevitably drifts to what Benitez is looking for in his next management job. He's certainly not been short of offers since leaving Inter, but he's in no hurry and is waiting for what he sees as the ideal project, a team that matches his desire to win trophies and a team that doesn't necessarily have to be in the Premier League. With his daughters happily settled in at school in the Liverpool area, Benitez is accepting of the fact that he might have to move on his own and commute when possible if his next job falls outside England. It's also no secret that Benitez would consider returning to Liverpool if he were ever asked at some point in the future. It's not something he is keen to discuss and he is quick to emphasize his respect for the job that incumbent Kenny Dalglish has done, but there's a sense of unfinished business on Benitez's part, of the inability to complete his project at Anfield.

There continues to be a pervading myth in some quarters that Benitez had vast transfer sums at his disposal during his time at Liverpool. While it's true he spent around £223 million during his six-year tenure, in actuality, according to calculations by Paul Tomkins, author of Pay As You Play, his approximate total net spend was only £62M, a figure that puts Liverpool below the likes of Aston Villa, Sunderland and Tottenham over the same period. The figure drops further to £20.5M (if you include the subsequent sales of all players Benitez bought such as Torres and Mascherano).

"To be fair, everyone has had bad signings," said Benitez. "But if you analyze the current squad of Liverpool -- [Pepe] Reina, [Glen] Johnson, [Daniel] Agger, [Martin] Skrtel, Lucas Leiva, [Dirk] Kuyt, Maxi -- a lot of these players that are doing really well, they were signings that we did. So the people that talk about [Philipp] Degen or [Andriy] Voronin who were free, how you can compare them to the signings of [Fernando] Torres and [Xabi] Alonso? Even with Torres, Alonso, [Javier] Mascherano and the money brought in [with their sales] and still they talk about the other signings, the majority [of which] were not too expensive. "

We debate some of those moves that didn't pan out as planned at Liverpool such as the signing of Dutch forward Ryan Babel in what seems to be Liverpool's never-ending search for a potent winger. "Babel played in a 4-3-3 system at Ajax, " said Benitez. "But he didn't do well as a winger at the end, we were trying to find his best position but it was not going well. Babel was a young player that needed to understand the English game and he didn't." Benitez admits he had searched extensively for wingers while at Anfield, in hopes of replicating his use at Valencia of dangerous widemen Vicente and Rufete. One deal he confirms, which almost came to fruition, was that of Brazilian Dani Alves, then at Sevilla. "Daniel Alves was our first option on the right side," said Benitez. "The problem that we had -- I had to decide to bring Alves as a winger when he was an offensive fullback. It was a difficult decision as we had money at the time for only just one striker or a winger/fullback. We signed a striker, the striker was Kuyt, who to be fair has turned out to be a fantastic contributor to the club."

As for the much criticized sale of midfielder Alonso in the summer of 2009, Benitez explains that his plan had been to bring in both Alberto Aquilani and Stevan Jovetic. "Jovetic was our target but we didn't have the money," said Benitez. "My idea was to play Mascherano, Lucas, [Steven] Gerrard, Aquilani -- two of these four players in the middle and Jovetic between the lines, but we didn't have the money."

In theory, weren't the funds from the sale of Alonso more than enough to cover the purchase of both Aquilani and Jovetic? "You are right. In theory," is Benitez's response.

The other stick which is often used to beat Benitez with is his relationship, or supposed lack of, with players. Too cold, too dour, too calculating say those same critics. It's a gross misrepresentation if ever there was one. In person, for those who know him, Benitez has always been warm and friendly. He explains his philosophy thus. "Normally the manager has to do his job, he cannot be the close friend of the players, it's an old style that does not [necessarily] work now. You have to do your job, you have to improve your players, you have to teach them, you have to coach them properly. At the end they will realize and see the difference. You cannot say there's no relationship -- every day we train, you can see managers that don't train for 3-4 days. I train every day with my players and talk to them every day, trying to improve them. "

As for not getting along with players, Benitez says it's simply not true and reels off a list of players he's still in close contact with, including several stars who some media outlets have falsely claimed to be estranged from him. Benitez might not text his former players as frequently as certain other managers do -- largely out of respect to their current mangers -- but as he shows me, he's clearly viewed fondly by many of his former charges.

By now, Benitez is running late to pick up his daughters from school -- as he's dashing out the door there's only time for one last question, one that has bothered the masses who've been reading the tactical blogs on his website. Why then does he include the goalkeeper when he's mentioning formations, why 1-4-2-3-1 instead of 4-2-3-1?

"I was saying 4-2-3-1, but if you go to coaches' schools they say 'oh you have to play with a keeper,'" smiled Benitez. "I've also had this conversation with some goalkeeper coaches and they all say 'listen, the keeper also plays' so I have to say it to keep all the goalkeepers happy!"
 
Rafa Benitez talks statistics - The forward-thinking Benitez

(Interview with ESPN Soccernet)

Arguably Liverpool's most successful manager of the last two decades owes more to Silicon Valley than Bill Shankly. Then again, he always did. Rafa Benitez is famously fond of facts, and a glimpse of his modus operandi shows the importance of technology to store the statistics. The Spaniard was an early enthusiast. "When I was coaching the youth teams of Real Madrid, I was using Commodore 64, Spectrum, all these things," he said. "I had Visual Basic, I was creating my own programmes and I had all the information there. I was doing technical tests for my players and, at the end of the season, they improved around 30%. We scored 114 goals and conceded 14. My strength is on the pitch but, with that computer, I could manage all the information."

He has moved with the times. Benitez, in the manner of many an aspiring entrepreneur, has devised an iPad application to advertise his skills. And yet while a technophobe like Harry Redknapp, who cannot send an email, is the favourite for the England job, the paradox is that this most modern of managers seems a man out of time. Benitez is finding ways of busying himself, of keeping a high profile, but the reality remains that he has been unemployed for 15 months since Internazionale sacked him.

There have been offers, some probably lucrative, including the chance of a short-term stint with Chelsea, but nothing that may be commensurate with his status as a Champions League and La Liga-winning manager. An unfulfilled figure wants a project, preferably an all-encompassing post, a chance to put plans in place and to run a club. As he displayed flow charts of the two managerial models - the continental, where the head coach is subservient to the sporting director, and the English, where the power of men such as Sir Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger is greater - it is clear where his preference lies.

The strategist wants to be responsible for everything. "The manager has to have knowledge about business, the economy and the squad," Benitez said at SoccerEx in Manchester. "The economic crisis around the world will be really, really important." He is keen to stress his own financial credentials, highlighting Liverpool's turnover: £91.5 million in their final season under Gerard Houllier, £184.1 million in his last year in charge. "That means stability and progress," he added.

The numbers are a constant, providing explanation and justification. Training sessions last 60 to 90 minutes, 80% of them with the ball; 70% are pre-planned, 30% dictated by the opposition of the team's specific needs that week. A graphic illustrates the distance players cover in a game: 5,468m on average in the 1950s and 1960s, 11,523m for the Liverpool team of 2005-10. It necessitates rotation, he argues. Players are shown charts of their physical performance: if they are in the red zone, they need to take a rest.

"You need to know as much as you can about your players," the Spaniard said. To some, it is a quest for knowledge; to others, a thirst for control. He is part technocrat, part teacher. "I am a professor. The way I coach is teaching. They will learn and they will learn forever," Benitez explained. It can make him sound dogmatic, but he has always been a blend of the obdurate and the amiable, a man with few airs and graces but a professional perfectionist with up-to-the-minute methods. "Part of my idea is to try and improve everything," he said. "If you give a DVD to a player about movements, positive and negative, if he wants to watch it, after a year he will be a better player."

The demanding approach is epitomised by the phrase displayed behind Benitez on a projector. "A winning manager has to have the mentality that victory is normal, not exceptional. The manager is eternally dissatisfied."

It has led to suggestions that he is cold, the dispassionate analyst always eyeing room for improvement. Benitez is rarely deemed a man-manager. He disagrees. "[Fernando] Torres with belief, with confidence, is a top-class player," he said, having helped his countryman become officially one of the world's top three players. "Without that, he is missing something." The Spaniard's sidekick was another to benefit from Benitez's meddling. "When we came to Liverpool, [Steven] Gerrard plays in the middle and scores ten goals a season," he said. "When he plays on the right or behind the striker, he scores more than 20 goals."

Yet the captain's redeployment was controversial. So is much else Benitez has done or espoused: the rotation policy, the focus on net spend, the list of "facts" that became known as 'Rafa's Rant', the supposed attempt to take on Ferguson at mind games (interestingly, Benitez said: "When I was in Extremadura, bottom of the league, a small team, I was not going in to fight against any manager."). Mere mention of his name prompts many to rehash old arguments, for and against. He remains weighed down by the baggage of the past, perhaps a reason a man with futuristic techniques appears unfashionable.

Hence, perhaps, Benitez's PR offensive. The Wirral's most notable immigrant can appear inflexible, but he made an effort to adapt to life in England. "From the first day, I was saying, 'Give me English coaches because they will know the culture of the club and they will help me'," he recalled. Computer programmes serve their purpose, but there is always a need for the human touch. Persuading people he is the right man may be the hardest part for Benitez if he is to resume a coaching career that has included some extraordinary highs. There is no piece of software that can bring his exile to an end.
 
I read though both articles this morning and some of it does make me remember him fondly.

Ultimately however, it just convinces me all the more that it'd be wrong to bring him back to the Liverpool. He doesn't appear to have learned much in his time away - he still seems fixated by the same old arguments and the same old issues. I don't like this idea of "unfinished business" either. I want someone to come into Liverpool and be focused on building a great team - not proving everyone wrong.
 
I am sure it is a total coincidence, that the worse our league form and position becomes, the more often Rafa pops up in the media, always mentioning how much he respects Kenny.
 
Do you remember that game at Anfield against Derby, the one in which Babel scored? The work rate was phenomenal, every time a Derby player got the ball there were three LFC players in tight around them, and the movement was remorseless. We never seemed to do it - even vaguely approach doing it - again. It was frustrating because that was the game when you could actually see Rafa's intelligence in action on the pitch. After that there was a lot of talk off the pitch and only glimpses of those ideas on the pitch. A great shame. Maybe the players were too shagged out to repeat it.
 
I read though both articles this morning and some of it does make me remember him fondly.

Ultimately however, it just convinces me all the more that it'd be wrong to bring him back to the Liverpool. He doesn't appear to have learned much in his time away - he still seems fixated by the same old arguments and the same old issues. I don't like this idea of "unfinished business" either. I want someone to come into Liverpool and be focused on building a great team - not proving everyone wrong.

Agreed, he always seems more focused on scoring points with the media and anyone else. I don't doubt that in many ways he had Liverpool's best interests at heart, but he also seemed to lose sight of what was important and seemed more intent on proving points to people and being stubborn.
 
One thing is certain, the players seemed to be fitter under Rafa's management.
Nowadays the team collapses at around the 70 minute mark.
 
To be fair to him, in that situation I think anyone would have lost the plot. If we're honest it drove most of us mad! Hicks and Gillett created a culture in which no one could have remained 'normal' as a human being.
 
The players seemed to be fitter? He fucked around with the team for the first 4 months of each season, intent on having them fitter for the run in, by which time we were usually well out the reckoning for anything other than CL qualification, and that was when Spurs and City weren't an issue.
 
To be fair to him, in that situation I think anyone would have lost the plot. If we're honest it drove most of us mad! Hicks and Gillett created a culture in which no one could have remained 'normal' as a human being.

He was in a bit of an impossible situation, I agree, but the disappointing thing is that he still seems totally fixated on it.

He needs to go and find a new project and let the Liverpool thing go for now. I think that's the only way he has any chance of getting the Liverpool job back.
 
The players seemed to be fitter? He fucked around with the team for the first 4 months of each season, intent on having them fitter for the run in, by which time we were usually well out the reckoning for anything other than CL qualification, and that was when Spurs and City weren't an issue.
I wish Dalglish would fuck around with the team and play Maxi and Coates.
Seriously though, I might be imagining it but the players seemed to be fitter and often played 90 minutes without really showing signs of slowing down.
 
I read though both articles this morning and some of it does make me remember him fondly.

Ultimately however, it just convinces me all the more that it'd be wrong to bring him back to the Liverpool. He doesn't appear to have learned much in his time away - he still seems fixated by the same old arguments and the same old issues. I don't like this idea of "unfinished business" either. I want someone to come into Liverpool and be focused on building a great team - not proving everyone wrong.

Agreed.
 
Well we're supposed to now have the most rigorous fitness regime around (brought in by Rafa), so I don't think physical fitness is a problem. mental fitness, however, is another matter - I don't think bodies go to sleep in the last 25 minutes, but brains do.
 
I am sure it is a total coincidence, that the worse our league form and position becomes, the more often Rafa pops up in the media, always mentioning how much he respects Kenny.

Indeed.

He's been everywhere lately. If he comes back I'm done with Liverpool.
 
Thin Rafa was a genius. Fat Rafa was a neurotic anti-Xerxes with a tactical brain that was chronically distracted by the thought of piping hot Cochinillo Asado. He should be dieting to regain that old sharpness.
 
Thin Rafa was a genius. Fat Rafa was a neurotic anti-Xerxes with a tactical brain that was chronically distracted by the thought of piping hot Cochinillo Asado. He should be dieting to regain that old sharpness.

Haha.

I think the decline may have started when he grew that beard actually
 
For a man who has hardly taken a break from football since his first coaching assignment in 1995, the last 15 months could have presented a conundrum for Rafael Benitez. Without a job since leaving Inter Milan in the final days of 2010, the Spaniard has had time to focus on other interests in his life.

Those include his own personal website, which he uses to deliver his views and analysis on the latest subjects in the game. As well as continuing the charity work he and his wife, Montse, began when they arrived in Liverpool in 2004, Benitez is also helping to develop a tactics program which he believes will help coaches at every level of the sport.

In the first part of an exclusive interview with FIFA.com, Benitez explains the motivation behind beginning his website, how he stays involved with football when not employed, what he wants from his next club, and his thoughts on the dominance of Barcelona.

FIFA.com: Can you explain why you started your website and what you are hoping to achieve with it?
Rafael Benitez: Between jobs normally a lot of people would relax and that’s it, or some people watch games on the television as a pundit. But I wanted to do something more. I was interested in a website ten or 15 years ago. I was creating my own website but it was really difficult because when you have a job, you don’t have too much time. But now, because I had some time, I decided to create a website because you can explain what you want to explain with your words. Also I wanted to give an opportunity to young coaches. When I was a young coach I was trying to read everything, buy books and DVDs or watch training sessions. So you can give them the opportunity to stay in contact with you. I answer a lot of questions in the forums and analyse games and they can ask questions or they can have their own opinion and you can interact with them.

Is this a stop-gap until you get another job or would you carry it on?
No, we can carry on. Obviously it would be a little bit different - you cannot talk about all the teams. I try to be very respectful with the teams so I try to analyse things that are obvious, that people can see, not just my opinion, so I cannot be controversial with any other manager. Sometimes you have to give your opinion so if you are working with a club, you have to be careful in the way that you analyse things. But it’s the same idea and the same philosophy, to give something, especially to young coaches.

How many games do you attend or do you prefer to watch on television?
To be fair I have my staff also helping, but normally now you have games on Monday, on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday and Sunday. So you have every day during the week and at the weekend you can see the Spanish league normally has two games, and the Bundesliga one or two, and Serie A another two. So with the Premier League you can see maybe six or seven games on Saturday and on Sunday more or less the same.

Have you ever had a break for a long time from football?
No, this is the first time that I have been between jobs for a long time. You try to relax but, at the end of the day, you like to watch games. I think my wife understands but she was telling me to take my time and record the games and watch them when I can, but she understands that I have to do it.

Is that difficult, trying to explain to your wife that you need to watch a lot of games?
No, years of experience together means she realises when I have to do it and when I can be with the family. I don’t sleep too much, for example. I wake up early in the morning and watch games, then after you can stay with your children.

Do you constantly watch games and think about tactics?
I try to relax when I am watching a game but it is something you cannot change, you are analysing the game. You are watching what will happen and why it is happening. I’ll be watching with my wife and I’ll say ‘goal’ then two seconds later it’s a goal. Because you can see the positions of the defenders, the winger may be free or the full-back goes late or something like that. So without thinking too much, you are just analysing.

You have mentioned that you are looking for a project when you choose your next club. What exactly does that mean?
My idea is not just to find a job, because when I talk about a project it has to be a club that can match my desire to fight for trophies. So if you don’t have a club that can win but at the same time wants to be consistent, at least challenging for trophies, you can take the job but it will not be the same. The experience that I have now in Italy, Spain and England allows me to analyse the jobs and the projects and say ‘this is the right one’. With the UEFA Financial Fair Play rules you have to manage the budget, you have to be careful and you have to promote young players from the academy. You need to analyse your squad, you have a number of local players or players from the country that can play in the Champions League. All the experience that we have had in different countries, with different structures, we are trying to use now.

Do you think the new rules will even things up? Do you think you could ever build a smaller team up to challenge?
To be fair, I was not a top-class player because I had my injury and I couldn’t play in the first division. So I started in the academy of Real Madrid and I was progressing. Then I went to small teams and we were improving and promoting Extremadura to the first division and Tenerife was the same. I had some experience with this structure then I went to Valencia and Liverpool, big clubs, and they have a structure already there. Then you analyse and you learn different things, so that is the good thing - that you have seen different structures and ways to manage. Then you can build, from the beginning or you can start from the top.

Talking about Valencia, you were the last person to break up Barcelona and Real Madrid at the top of La Liga. Do you think that is going to happen again soon or will they continue to dominate?
I think it will be some years that they are at the top, but Valencia are finishing third and are doing well. You can see Athletic Bilbao doing well, also Sevilla and Atletico Madrid. These clubs, I think, will come back. How long it will take to stay at the same level as the others? You never know. They [Barcelona and Real Madrid] have always been clubs with massive money but now, because of the television rights and all these things, it is different and they have even more. But I think that the other teams work hard, they work well and they will improve too.

Are Barcelona the best team you have seen in your lifetime?
To be fair I was an admirer of AC Milan, when they were playing with [Marco] van Basten and [Ruud] Gullit and all these players, with [Arrigo] Sacchi as the manager. They were doing really well, they were very dominant at that time. Barcelona has been more or less the same, and you can see now Bayern Munich or sometimes [Manchester] United or Real Madrid can challenge. I remember Real Madrid was a fantastic team and they couldn’t do anything against AC Milan so it was a big difference. But Barcelona are a great team to watch.
 
Every year, Liverpool FC holds a memorial service at the club’s ground, Anfield, to remember the 96 people who lost their lives at the Hillsborough disaster in 1989. Obliged to attend during his time as manager between 2004 and 2010, Rafael Benitez returned of his own accord to pay his respects in 2011.

When those in attendance began to chant the 51-year-old’s name, in recognition of his achievements – including a UEFA Champions League triumph in his maiden season – during his six years on Merseyside, Benitez had tears in his eyes. The moment was a perfect example of the relationship the Spaniard enjoyed, and still enjoys, with the club’s loyal supporters.

In the second part of an exclusive interview with FIFA.com, Benitez discusses his time in charge of the Reds, the plans he was putting in place for future success, his thoughts on the return of Kenny Dalglish, and his viewpoint on the travails of his former protégé Fernando Torres.

FIFA.com: You have often been misunderstood in England. Do you think you were treated unfairly at Liverpool?
Rafael Benitez: I think the good thing about me is that when you leave you can see a lot of players later on say ‘Listen, I was learning something’. Imagine [Jamie] Carragher, he was playing as a left full-back when we came, then he became one of the best centre-backs. Why? Because we were trying to coach him in a different way. [Steven] Gerrard was scoring about ten goals then we played him right-wing or as a second striker and he was scoring more than 20 goals every year. We were trying to adapt our tactics also to the Premier League, to the English style. People were saying "He was great in the Champions League but not in the Premier League" – 82 points and 86 points was twice the record in the history of the club. So we were doing well with the resources that we had. The problem was that you had to sell some players to buy players if you wanted to progress because we didn’t have a big budget. We were trying to teach our players in a way that they would be learning forever, not just that they would follow the game-plan and that’s it. No, we tried to teach them forever and then you could see that the team was growing and progressing.

Do you think managers are going to get time anymore to mould a team? You had six years at Liverpool but as soon as you had one poor season you were out.
To be fair, at Liverpool we were unlucky with the owners. It was a difficult time. You can ask [Roy] Hodgson because for six months he was with them, we were with them for three years. It was a very difficult time because they didn’t understand football, it was just a business. It’s true that you have more people investing money in football and they want results right now and that means that they put more pressure on the manager.

Does that frustrate you, when you know what your plan is and everybody is thinking in the short-term?
No, at the same time we have experience. I went to Extremadura and we were promoted in the first year. Tenerife, we were promoted in the first year. At Valencia we won the league title after 31 years, and Liverpool won the Champions League after 21 years. And then we went to Inter and won two trophies in six months. So we don’t have any problem managing short-term projects. But, ideally, we believe that long-term projects are much better for the stability of the club and at the same time we have the expertise to do it because we have been at different clubs at different levels. Also my staff are good so I think that we have enough experience and knowledge to manage and try to find this club.

You obviously cared a lot about Liverpool as a club. How much did it hurt you when you left?
It was really difficult but I could see that it was impossible to continue with the people in charge. I could see that they didn’t want to follow my ideas, they were just thinking about business. We were there for six years and we were improving the team and the squad and a lot of things, but one bad season and we had a lot of criticism. I could see that we would not be progressing, because we didn’t have the support or the money to change things. The most difficult thing is the last step. We were improving everything; we were in the Champions League every year, which is where you receive the big money. But for the last step, to challenge every year, you have to spend money on the squad and we were not spending the money. If you see the figures, we were spending less money every year.

Could you sense it was slipping away, that your time was coming to an end?
Yes. I had a conversation with the people in charge and I could see that they didn’t understand. We had an offer from Inter Milan, a great offer, after we had a problem because they promised me things that they didn’t do. Football is a very complicated business.

Do you regret that you left Liverpool just before the new owners arrived? Do you think you could have pushed on with their investment?
Yes, obviously with the money they have spent and the squad that we had, we could have been even better. Because we knew exactly what we needed and we had localised players like [Mikel] San Jose and [Emiliano] Insua, who are now playing in Europe. They were localised because they were here for three years. We had these players and we didn’t need to spend too much because these players were coming from the system to be in the squad, so we just had to find the right players. Everything changed when we left the club, Hodgson was in charge and they decided to sign a different kind of player then six months or a year later they had to sign new players again because something was wrong.

How pleased are you for Kenny Dalglish that he is back in charge, particularly as it was you who originally brought him back to the club?
At that time we wanted to bring in someone who could understand the history of the club and what the club means to the fans, because we didn’t have it from the owners. Bringing Kenny back was a good option for us to be stronger as a club and a unit. I had to go, but I think it was fine because when they had some problems, Kenny could improve the things that they were doing.

Do you think that he can achieve the kind of things that you did?
It depends if he has the support of the owners. They have spent a lot of money but can they continue spending big money? I don’t know. But if you want to challenge against United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester City and Tottenham, you have to have a very good plan and keep spending some money wisely.

What is it like to watch Fernando Torres as an outsider now, considering that you signed him and helped to make him such a great striker?
Fernando is a great lad. It was a pity he had to go because the club was going in the wrong direction when he left. Now he has to score goals but he has the potential. You don’t score 50 goals quicker than anyone in the Premier League and then say he’s not good enough. He’s a great player and he needs his confidence back. Scoring goals is key for a striker so I think that he will be fine. It’s a question of time, if they [Chelsea] can find a way that he will be consistent and scoring goals every week.

After Inter Milan, you came back to live in Liverpool and you clearly have a strong affinity with the city?
Ever since we arrived here my wife has always been learning and talking with people about the culture and history of the city. We have a connection, with the family group, and we were trying from the beginning to be involved and understand everything. We have created a foundation and we are helping the local charities. We try to be involved and to help people where we live because then you can see it when you give some money.
 
Ah Rafa, you are a man more sinned against than sinning. I look forward to your return, someday
 
I know, sure who would want back the only Liverpool Manager in the past 20 years to restore us to Glory. I'll never understand the lyrics of a live band, the financial markets, and the ingratitude towards our greatest manager in 20 years.
 
I don't think it's ingratitude, nor do I think it's that unreasonable to want to leave him where he is. He excelled in alot of things, particularly two legged ties in Europe, but one challenge in six years in the league isn't anything to write home about, given he didn't have to compete like we are now, with a good 5 or 6 teams.

Rafa was great in alot of ways and certainly better than what we've had to put up with over the last couple of seasons, but that shouldn't be a reason to take him back. It's also fair to say that Rafa walked into a Champions League side, Kenny hasn't.
 
I know, sure who would want back the only Liverpool Manager in the past 20 years to restore us to Glory. I'll never understand the lyrics of a live band, the financial markets, and the ingratitude towards our greatest manager in 20 years.

Well we brought back a manager who was a lot greater, who won 3 three titles with us, and some people haven't stopped moaning about it

Our greatest manager in 20 years? Well given that the competition is Graeme Souness, Roy Evans, Roy Hodgson and Gerard Houllier (and even that is debatable) then its not a huge achievement really is it?
 
I don't think it's ingratitude, nor do I think it's that unreasonable to want to leave him where he is. He excelled in alot of things, particularly two legged ties in Europe, but one challenge in six years in the league isn't anything to write home about, given he didn't have to compete like we are now, with a good 5 or 6 teams.

Rafa was great in alot of ways and certainly better than what we've had to put up with over the last couple of seasons, but that shouldn't be a reason to take him back. It's also fair to say that Rafa walked into a Champions League side, Kenny hasn't.

I was with you until the last sentence. It wouldn't have been a CL-winning eskwad without Rafa and a couple of his signings.
 
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