The Exodus

[Mors]

Looking at their shower of shit yesterday, I was thinking that there's going to be a mass fucking exodus in the summer for them.

I can see going/stop playing:

Vidic
Rio
Evra
Giggs
Nani
Young
RVP
Anderson
Macheda
Bebe
Zaha
Lingard


Maybe even some fringe players like:

Hernandez
Valencia
Butner
Powell
Kagawa


If they lose 10 players from their squad they're going to be decimated. Surely they're going to have to spend upwards of 100-150mill to rebuild that? And bringing in a load of first team players will end in disaster, look at Spurs.

If they lose 10 players, and keep moyes, they really could be out of the champions league for quite some time 😀

 

[Mystic]

One too many threads about United for me.

 

[mom]

The same shower of shit won the league the year before so although it's not a great squad, give it a top notch manager armed with a fat war chest to buy some top notch players and they could quite easily be back up there.
Don't forget, one reason we are flying the way we are is due to lack of European distractions etc. That will be reversed next season.

 

[Spaghetti Legs]

They really do need a massive clearout.

The only players that are certain of staying are Rooney, Mata, De Gea and Jamjizz.

Theres some quite likely to stay like Jones and Evans and maybe another 1 or 2 but its up in the air with the rest.

 

[gene hughes]

Rafael and Rooney were the only ones who looked fully committed yesterday.

 

[mark1975]

Rafael and Rooney were the only ones who looked fully committed yesterday.

Yeah that's what I thought. Phil Jones must have been made up that Flanagan was playing though, making him the second ugliest player on the pitch, for once.

 

[Mors]

The same shower of shit won the league the year before so although it's not a great squad, give it a top notch manager armed with a fat war chest to buy some top notch players and they could quite easily be back up there.
Don't forget, one reason we are flying the way we are is due to lack of European distractions etc. That will be reversed next season.

Yes, but if they keep agent moyes (looks likely as ferguson and moore are making the decisions), and lose 10 players from their squad, they'll be right up against it next season, even if they bought 10 world class players, they can't just be thrown together and expected to work. Especially not under agent moyes.

I don't Brendan would have done as brilliantly this season if he'd have had to incorporate 5 new first team players and 10 new ones into the squad. Regardless of europe.

 

[Mors]

Rafael and Rooney were the only ones who looked fully committed yesterday.

Maybe the gayer too.

 

[Fabio]

Yeah that's what I thought. Phil Jones must have been made up that Flanagan was playing though, making him the second ugliest player on the pitch, for once.

Dunno, flanno was pretty sexy yesterday. After that performance I'm sure even he got laid

 

[Dirkus_Circus]

The same shower of shit won the league the year before so although it's not a great squad, give it a top notch manager armed with a fat war chest to buy some top notch players and they could quite easily be back up there.
Don't forget, one reason we are flying the way we are is due to lack of European distractions etc. That will be reversed next season.

Well that, and the fact that we are at lot better than the teams we are trouncing on a nearly weekly basis.

 

[mark1975]

We'll be fine, with the addition of Suso, Borini and a few buys, we'll have the squad to cope. The nucleus of the team is already a title challenging side, don't forget, there are alot of players on the outside not getting a look in, hopefully a few of them will show their worth next season. It'll be interesting to see how we and Rodgers fair in Europe.

 

[Markeh]

Not keen on United threads either but that really highlights the difficulty Moyes or whoever replaces him is going to face. There really is a load of players at the latter stage of their career, some serial under performers and average players. RVP, Valencia and Kagawa or the only ones in that list that would even command a half decent fee.

Big job on for that club over the next few windows.

 

[mom]

Well that, and the fact that we are at lot better than the teams we are trouncing on a nearly weekly basis.

Yeah definitely. We are where we are on merit, but I wonder how much of a difference it makes having that regular rest. Fresh legs help a lot with the high intensity game we play, and the lack of injuries can be a real blessing.

 

[mom]

Yes, but if they keep agent moyes (looks likely as ferguson and moore are making the decisions), and lose 10 players from their squad, they'll be right up against it next season, even if they bought 10 world class players, they can't just be thrown together and expected to work. Especially not under agent moyes.

I don't Brendan would have done as brilliantly this season if he'd have had to incorporate 5 new first team players and 10 new ones into the squad. Regardless of europe.

Again, that team won the league last season and have since added mata, who like it or not, is a quality player. If Fergy were still in charge, they would still be top four. So, get a top manager in, and nowhere near ten new players, and they'll easily challenge, especially without the fixture congestion etc

Write them off at your peril.

I know for a fact that if they had Jose in charge, this thread wouldn't have started.

 

[Dirkus_Circus]

Didn't Nani recently sign a big contract extension?

 

[mark1975]

Again, that team won the league last season and have since added mata, who like it or not, is a quality player. If Fergy were still in charge, they would still be top four. So, get a top manager in, and nowhere near ten new players, and they'll easily challenge, especially without the fixture congestion etc

Write them off at your peril.

I know for a fact that if they had Jose in charge, this thread wouldn't have started.

I get some of the sentiment, but Fergie had them punching above their weight over the last couple of seasons and he knew there was a mass overhaul on the cards too. It's not a squad that a top manager can simply walk back into and revert to being a contender, there's too many holes that need plugging and egos that need kicking into touch. And as said, too many players at the wrong end of their careers.

 

[mark1975]

have since added mata, who like it or not, is a quality player.

Who is exactly the sort of player and ego that you don't want when the chips are down, cf RVP too. However quality they may be as individual players, their lack of desire (and those of a few of their team mates) is pretty telling. Like it or not, Jose or no Jose. They need a manager who gets the players wanting to play for them, but they need players who aren't so obtuse that they pick and choose when they can be arsed.

 

[keniget]

I don't think that many players will go. I'm sure that in an ideal world they'd be getting rid of everyone they think they can improve upon (e.g. Young) or is reaching the end of their shelf life (e.g. Evra) but it's not an ideal world .

Vidic will be the main loss from the first team. Otherwise, you're talking more about fringe players or players out on loan.

They still got a big job on their hands. I imagine they'll be in the market for a top class defender, a midfielder (again) and a top class forward at the very least.

 

[Frogfish]

Lots of chatter on RedCafe about this but basically they could be looking at these out the door:

Vidic (Inter), Rio (retiring), Evra (they've been after a replacement for ages), Giggs(retiring), Nani (Transfer out), Young (Transfer out), RVP (just can't see him staying unless Moyes is sacked. However who is going to want to pay his wages at his age ?), Anderson (Transfer out), Macheda (Transfer out), Hernandez (Transfer out), Bebe (Transfer out),

Others touted/rumoured are ; Buttner, Valencia, Kagawa and Cleverley.

Obviously that is way too many and some of those rumours will be nothing but just that. However at least 6 (probable) and as many as 10 (very likely) would signify a massive turnover considering most of them are seeing plenty of 1st team action.

TBH I think after a CL exit to Olympiakos and a likely defeat to City the axe will fall at the end of the season and Moyes will be gone. It's just been far worse than their worst nightmare or expectations after Ferguson departed. Expect them to find a top European manager to help attract players to their EL (please, please) squad.

 

[mom]

have since added mata, who like it or not, is a quality player.

Who is exactly the sort of player and ego that you don't want when the chips are down, cf RVP too. However quality they may be as individual players, their lack of desire (and those of a few of their team mates) is pretty telling. Like it or not, Jose or no Jose. They need a manager who gets the players wanting to play for them, but they need players who aren't so obtuse that they pick and choose when they can be arsed.

I agree to a certain extent, but is it not the sign of a great manager to be able to get the best out of such players? Sometimes you just can't, but mata doesn't strike me as the type to be egotistical to the point that he can't be arsed.
Never been for a pint with him though, so couldn't be sure. Van is already out the door so I can see the logic there.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think a new manager and a couple of marquee signings will win them the league next season, but I don't think there quite as down and out as some are thinking. It's probably the post old Trafford hammering hysteria exaggerating things a little, and hey, why not?
I

 

[Judge Jules]

I'd put it slightly differently. For me their decline (from winning the title by an 11-point margin, let's not forget) *has* been catastrophic, but they have the money and the clout to recover more quickly than most clubs would IF they use those things well.

 

[hamstrung_pigeon]

I wonder if they do fire Moyes, whether they'll take another risk and gamble on Martinez. Young, ambitious manager, has this club playing attacking football wherever he's gone, and has actually won a cup with a threadbare team. It's going to take a bold chairman to roll the dice again after this season's spectacular hiring failure, but at least they'll get a manager who will play a style of football that's more palatable.

We know it first hand ourselves - when the club starts to falter with the old faces, fans will start to pin hopes on either incoming transfers, or wish to see fresh Academy youngsters given their chances, instead of the same old aging has-beens not pulling their weight on the pitch. On that front, Martinez has certainly been more open in using young players, having brought through the likes of McCarthy at Wigan and taken him to Everton, played Ross Barkley a lot more, given chances to Deulofeu, etc. Moyes has given Januzaj his break and he has seized his chance, but it's one thing fielding a youngster or two, and another to play them while still having your team playing proper football out there on the pitch.

They'll probably try to make a statement of intent, like in giving Rooney his fat contract, and throw money at a big name manager. Which I guess, can be great for us, because these big names usually have been used to success. It's might not be a happy marriage if you need to rebuild with little patience from fans who have just missed out on a season's CL and have not adjusted their expectations yet. Hiring a manager of great repute would just give them false hope of a quick rebound instead of being patient enough for a couple of seasons to retool.

It's unlike Rodgers' job coming into Liverpool, where, after 3 seasons of failure starting from Benitez's final season, our fans have become generally more understanding and accepting about the time we'd need to get back into the flow of things. We could've lived with two or three seasons of "just making progress" - and so far we've exceed that target beyond our wildest imaginations this season - but the Manc fans wouldn't be familiar with that just yet.

 

[Lippy]

What does Dave Whelan think ?

 

[Judge Jules]

They may quite well look for a similarly young and ambitious manager, but I doubt it'll be Martinez himself. For one thing Everton would screw them blind on the compo they'd demand (and understandably so TBH). For another thing, I suspect Martinez himself may not want to make that move when he's just started at Everton and things are going reasonably nicely for him there.

 

[keniget]

I agree to a certain extent, but is it not the sign of a great manager to be able to get the best out of such players? Sometimes you just can't, but mata doesn't strike me as the type to be egotistical to the point that he can't be arsed.
Never been for a pint with him though, so couldn't be sure. Van is already out the door so I can see the logic there.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think a new manager and a couple of marquee signings will win them the league next season, but I don't think there quite as down and out as some are thinking. It's probably the post old Trafford hammering hysteria exaggerating things a little, and hey, why not?
I

The problem they have with Mata is the same one they had with Kagawa. I remember having this conversation with a City fan when they were being linked with Mata and both of us were hoping that they'd make the same mistakes again... and so far it looks like that is happening.

Mata doesn't necessarily have to be played in the middle to play well but he needs players around him, runners, passing options. I've not watched very much of Utd this season but on Sunday too often their attackers were isolated.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THOSE CUNTS!??!?

 

[juniormember]

The problem they have with Mata is the same one they had with Kagawa. I remember having this conversation with a City fan when they were being linked with Mata and both of us were hoping that they'd make the same mistakes again... and so far it looks like that is happening.

Mata doesn't necessarily have to be played in the middle to play well but he needs players around him, runners, passing options. I've not watched very much of Utd this season but on Sunday too often their attackers were isolated.

Yup. Mata would have been depressed seeing our players, especially our two forwards, making runs every single time Liverpool got the ball, whether it be in their half or even our own half.
When Mata had the ball, neither RVP nor Rooney made any meaningful run behind the defence or wanted to work one-twos. He can do nothing without the others working for him.

 

[mom]

The problem they have with Mata is the same one they had with Kagawa. I remember having this conversation with a City fan when they were being linked with Mata and both of us were hoping that they'd make the same mistakes again... and so far it looks like that is happening.

Mata doesn't necessarily have to be played in the middle to play well but he needs players around him, runners, passing options. I've not watched very much of Utd this season but on Sunday too often their attackers were isolated.

Very valid point. He doesn't strike me as a suarez type who can just win a game by himself. A couple more decent players around him with the skills, pace and intelligence required to perform at the top level and we'll see more of him. Hopefully not.

 

[Judge Jules]

Some players do depend on others in that kind of way. Joe Allen's another and it's no coincidence that his form's shot up as the team overall has clicked into gear. I wouldn't be writing Mata off yet by any means, or his team unfortunately. Might well take a different manager to get the best out of him/them though, which will give them another dose of upheaval to swallow. Hopefully by the time they settle down again they'll be having to run hard to keep up with us, rather than the other way round.

 

[OLD_Lewy]

i thought this was going to be a thread about them all becoming chelsea supporters again