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The Future under NESV

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doctor_mac

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As a club we've faced plenty of false dawns in the last twenty years and followed a few messiahs along the way before they gradually lost our adoration. So where do you see us in 5 or so years? What will the legacy of NESV be? Can we hope that this seeming curse will be lifted, or can we expect more years of misery?

On the positives, we've just become a team on very sound financial footing. No acquisition debt. Some said that a leveraged buy-out was inevitable, but here we are, being owned by a company who have used their own cash for the purchase.
These guys also seem to be extremely shrewd in the American market at least, lets hope it translates. Whether they build a new ground or redevelop Anfield I think we can expect a plan of action soon, and decisive following through on it.

With the new UEFA rules, we could be in pole position in several years being a sound profit making business who can afford to pay the highest salaries and attract the best players.

On the negatives, we need a top hungry manager soon rather than a 'safe pair of hands'.

It is also true that NESV made the Red Sox more profitable by significantly raising prices at Fenway. Football is already overpriced, and to get the kind of support that generates atmosphere we need lower ticket prices, not higher. Liverpool isn't London- there is less money to go around and I hope they appreciate they need to get creative and the same policy won't fit here. I think having a section of the ground that is always ticketed might help with that, and having a larger capacity stadium, of course.

What's your feelings?
 
I don't think it is. If Henry's team is as shrewd as he says it is, then there may be other ways. Squeezing the corporate side of things whilst keeping mr average happy.
 
I think it's slightly naive to think an owner will hold any stock in creating an atmosphere.

I assume they will look at this seasons gates though & be reluctant to put off any fans until we start performing & selling out again.
 
They seem intent on grabbing the commercial side of things globally, that seems to have as much importance to them as anything else.

Regards how we'll run under them, I'm content to see us making money and being able to spend it, even if that does only mean an annual outlay of £20m - £30m, with an initial jolt of investment in the side, I think that's all we can expect realistically.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=42275.msg1198038#msg1198038 date=1287218190]Squeezing the corporate side of things whilst keeping mr average happy.
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As you say though, it's not London and with Old Trafford round the corner, is the corporate side of things going to be *that* lucrative?
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=42275.msg1198039#msg1198039 date=1287218297]
I think it's slightly naive to think an owner will hold any stock in creating an atmosphere.

I assume they will look at this seasons gates though & be reluctant to put off any fans until we start performing & selling out again.
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I don't think it's naive, Foxy. NESV know the importance of the atmosphere of a sports ground from running Fenway Park, and they're plenty smart enough to know the importance of goodwill to any successful business.
 
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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=42275.msg1198039#msg1198039 date=1287218297]
I think it's slightly naive to think an owner will hold any stock in creating an atmosphere.

I assume they will look at this seasons gates though & be reluctant to put off any fans until we start performing & selling out again.
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I don't think it's naive, Foxy. NESV know the importance of the atmosphere of a sports ground from running Fenway Park, and they're plenty smart enough to know the importance of goodwill to any successful business.
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But to put the cost of that atmosphere against creating a winning side? Creating that side then in turn creates the atmosphere, even with higher prices, as they found out in Fenway Park!
 
If it has to be one or the other then certainly the team should be priority 1 for the moment, but does it have to be either/or? I know the Arse haven't added to their trophy haul for a while, but they've been genuine challengers as well as setting themselves up very nicely off the pitch. The right management - on and off the pitch - can achieve both, and hopefully that's what we're on the way to getting now.
 
They day they want to win, they expect to win and are used to winning. Thats the philosophy we need to adapt.
To do that, we need a new younger offensive manager. Thats were it has to start.

I think they'll spend to shape our future. It doesn't have to be the most expencive signings but the right ones. Thats were we have fucked up in the last two years.
 
I think we've got the 2nd lowest amount of debt in the prem as of yesterday 🙂.

Seeing as they've just arrived and have as of yet said very little, it's to early to be guessing at what they'll do.

Over the next 2 transfer windows if we can get rid of the likes of Aquilani, Lucas and Babel, i don't see why we can't sort out our problems on the pitch with a relatively small amount of cash added to the transfer kitty by our new owners. Change the manager and get work started on either redeveloping Anfield or the new stadium, and they'll have my undying gratitude.
 
Looking at our squad. There is so many mediocre players there that it's now wonder we finished 7th and are struggeling this season.

There has to be a mini revulotion in the next 2 transfer windows.
 
I don't think we'll see anything dramatic right away. If what Purslow says about the recent accounts is correct then we could see a modest spend in January but if there's to be any real changes then we'll probably see them in the summer once NESV have had a chance to take stock. We've got a whole lot of rubbish to clear out of this squad though. I expect the usual idiots (Brendan, Rebel et al) to complain about the lack of spending and asset stripping.

I think they'll try to set us up to build from within, and place a heavy emphasis on the player development side of the club.

It'll be interesting to see the composition of the Board in future, Purslow and Ayres will likely be kept but I think they'll try to draw on their Red Sox experience to improve LFC as well so we might see some interesting additions to the boardroom. And as I type this I've just heard Henry on SSN saying they have a lot of great strategic thinkers in NESV. One of the big things that revolutionised baseball in the past decade was the use of new information and new ways of looking at information. Effectively rejecting what was the conventional wisdom and finding out what was really important to winning games, the man credited with it's development is called Bill James - would anyone care to guess which club he works for ? Yup, the Red Sox. He started out as a writer and was largely ignored by Major League baseball for 25 years, until John W. Henry appointed him in 2003. Since then MLB teams have consistently snapped up writers and bloggers who have shown similar abilities to Bill James so that they could catch up with the Red Sox - since they were the first big market team to make use of the information that was available.

They have a huge staff of people working on the evaluation of players, they have scouts and then they have the economists and statisticians and between them they make calls on players. The information they have is quite incredible. All that is at the hands of the GM when he goes looking to make additions to the team. It's by no means fool proof but they've largely managed to avoid bad deals during the last 8 years. If we had something similar we could have avoided mistakes like Keane, Aquilani etc. Although you hardly needed a wealth of information to know they were bad decisions, you just needed not to be brain dead.

Football is still mired in disinformation, unproven conventional wisdom and stupidity and I'd like to think that NESV can lead us away from it. There are people out there who are looking at football and attempting to find and use information to influence decisions and the outcomes of games and I wouldn't be surprised to see some of them added to the club (e.g Stefan Szymanski). We need to move as far away from the notion that the manager knows best and only the manager knows. Nobody succeeds on their own, they succeed because they're surrounded by great people they work well with. We need to have a serious rethink about the whole setup at the club. Get a mix of those who "know" football and those who've studied and analysed it and get the best of both worlds.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42275.msg1198100#msg1198100 date=1287222964]
Looking at our squad. There is so many mediocre players there that it's now wonder we finished 7th and are struggeling this season.

There has to be a mini revulotion in the next 2 transfer windows.
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I agree. Getting the first team sorted out and playing as a confident unit is of paramount importance. We need competition on the right for Dirk as well as having another option. We could do with new a tricky, pacy winger out left because Babel and Jova are shite. Cunt 1 & 2 should be binned ASAP with a young dynamo brought in like Defour and an experienced defensive mid (who isn't shite) for the tough away games.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42275.msg1198119#msg1198119 date=1287225653]
I don't think we'll see anything dramatic right away. If what Purslow says about the recent accounts is correct then we could see a modest spend in January but if there's to be any real changes then we'll probably see them in the summer once NESV have had a chance to take stock. We've got a whole lot of rubbish to clear out of this squad though. I expect the usual idiots (Brendan, Rebel et al) to complain about the lack of spending and asset stripping.

I think they'll try to set us up to build from within, and place a heavy emphasis on the player development side of the club.

It'll be interesting to see the composition of the Board in future, Purslow and Ayres will likely be kept but I think they'll try to draw on their Red Sox experience to improve LFC as well so we might see some interesting additions to the boardroom. And as I type this I've just heard Henry on SSN saying they have a lot of great strategic thinkers in NESV. One of the big things that revolutionised baseball in the past decade was the use of new information and new ways of looking at information. Effectively rejecting what was the conventional wisdom and finding out what was really important to winning games, the man credited with it's development is called Bill James - would anyone care to guess which club he works for ? Yup, the Red Sox. He started out as a writer and was largely ignored by Major League baseball for 25 years, until John W. Henry appointed him in 2003. Since then MLB teams have consistently snapped up writers and bloggers who have shown similar abilities to Bill James so that they could catch up with the Red Sox - since they were the first big market team to make use of the information that was available.

They have a huge staff of people working on the evaluation of players, they have scouts and then they have the economists and statisticians and between them they make calls on players. The information they have is quite incredible. All that is at the hands of the GM when he goes looking to make additions to the team. It's by no means fool proof but they've largely managed to avoid bad deals during the last 8 years. If we had something similar we could have avoided mistakes like Keane, Aquilani etc. Although you hardly needed a wealth of information to know they were bad decisions, you just needed not to be brain dead.

Football is still mired in disinformation, unproven conventional wisdom and stupidity and I'd like to think that NESV can lead us away from it. There are people out there who are looking at football and attempting to find and use information to influence decisions and the outcomes of games and I wouldn't be surprised to see some of them added to the club (e.g Stefan Szymanski). We need to move as far away from the notion that the manager knows best and only the manager knows. Nobody succeeds on their own, they succeed because they're surrounded by great people they work well with. We need to have a serious rethink about the whole setup at the club. Get a mix of those who "know" football and those who've studied and analysed it and get the best of both worlds.


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Wholst I dont disagree with you, I think finding a manager who is tactically astute enough & good enough at man-management who is then prepared to take that view & use others opinions will be difficult, if not nigh on impossible.
 
I'm more hopeful than you. The change of ownership, and in particular the wiping out of the club's debts which the change has brought about, should make the LFC job a fair bit more attractive to good candidates than it was ever going to be under Statler and Waldorf.
 
I would agree with Jon, there are very few managers with the humility to accept that other people might know better on a particular topic.

If NESV choose to go down this route, and I sincerely hope we do, we may have some teething issues. I've argued for years that if we can't outspend teams we have to outthink them, but we never tried. So this takeover is a bit of a wet dream for me.

I never would have imagined they'd have been involved.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42275.msg1198153#msg1198153 date=1287230798]
I'm more hopeful than you. The change of ownership, and in particular the wiping out of the club's debts which the change has brought about, should make the LFC job a fair bit more attractive to good candidates than it was ever going to be under Statler and Waldorf.
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Agree, what was our interest repayments? 30M-40M a year? If just that amount is added to our transfers each year, we are on happy street, even if its split 65 for summer and 35 for Jan, thats like 35-40 Million for Summer and 15-20 for winter when added to player sales?
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42275.msg1198157#msg1198157 date=1287231327]
I would agree with Jon, there are very few managers with the humility to accept that other people might know better on a particular topic.

If NESV choose to go down this route, and I sincerely hope we do, we may have some teething issues. I've argued for years that if we can't outspend teams we have to outthink them, but we never tried. So this takeover is a bit of a wet dream for me.

I never would have imagined they'd have been involved.
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Yeah you have been banging this drum for a while, so fingers crossed this works out.
 
I'll let you in on a secret Doc. I've been using the Red Sox way to get my XpertEleven team up and running.
 
I think NESV will change the way the club is run. Everything will be geared toward creating and maintaining a winning culture.

They'll give us a decent kitty to work with and the team will look quite different in 3 years.

I expect us to back to winning ways sooner rather than later and much more consistently.

If there is am impending assessment of players and coach in the near future, the exit will be fairly busy.
 
What sort of information can be applied to good use in football, Ross?

What are we missing out on?
 
Some sort of stats-based drudgery that the stat-obssessed Baseball-loving Yanks lap up.

It will revolutionise football and make the likes of Ferguson an anachronism.

In reality of course, it hasn't been applied to football successfuly, because a club needs to be lead by one man on the pitch: the manager, otherwise internecine warfare will break out among all the warring factions

Still, I think it's worked once for some selling club in France, so I can see why he's so excited
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42275.msg1198160#msg1198160 date=1287231626]
I'll let you in on a secret Doc. I've been using the Red Sox way to get my XpertEleven team up and running.
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Ha. I'll need to work on that one.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42275.msg1198160#msg1198160 date=1287231626]
I'll let you in on a secret Doc. I've been using the Red Sox way to get my XpertEleven team up and running.
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Well there you go.
Here was me thinking that your recent success was down to being given the strongest team in the Division. 😉
 
Well I know what NESV can bring to Anfield................Mrs Henry,

linda-pizzuti-henry-2.jpg




regards
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42275.msg1198210#msg1198210 date=1287237382]
Some sort of stats-based drudgery that the stat-obssessed Baseball-loving Yanks lap up.

It will revolutionise football and make the likes of Ferguson an anachronism.

In reality of course, it hasn't been applied to football successfuly, because a club needs to be lead by one man on the pitch: the manager, otherwise internecine warfare will break out among all the warring factions

Still, I think it's worked once for some selling club in France, so I can see why he's so excited


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If anybody hasn't figured it out yet, Brendan is pretty much typical of the idiocy that exists in football.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=42275.msg1198263#msg1198263 date=1287242175]
Well I know what NESV can bring to Anfield................Mrs Henry,

linda-pizzuti-henry-2.jpg




regards
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That is a very nice picture!

Mrs Henry has sure got talent.
 
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