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Frogfish

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I don't think we have a player that has created more divisive opinions on this forum (Ox, Keita perhaps) ?

Personally I find him amazing, superb technical skills and vision, always looking to play forward and a player can that do which few others we have can ... deliberately slow the game down, when it's necessary, whilst retaining possession. I am so excited about seeing what he, and this team at full strength, can do together next season.

Anyway some comments and stats from his first season and a recent interview:

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Circumstances
He arrived from Bayern Munich having barely had a break following their Champions League final triumph over Paris Saint-Germain in August. A Covid diagnosis in September was then followed by an ill-timed knee injury in October. When he finally returned in January, it was to a side ravaged by injuries and struggling for form.

"It was tough but I think I've had worse moments than that in my life," he says. "With calm, with work and with resilience, you can overcome all situations."

The circumstances were especially challenging for Thiago given he was already having to adapt to a new country and a new league.

On Injuries
"Looking back at this season, we had a lot of walls in front of us that we had to pull down," says Thiago. "It was like that. We had many important players injured and we had to create a new team and a new style - very similar to what we had, but with different players.

On the long ball
"At the beginning, I was surprised by the rhythm of the game and the long balls," he says. "Here, some teams have a lot of appreciation for how long balls can create big chances for them very quickly. And on the same point, the faster you put the ball in front, the faster it comes back."

On the speed of the game
When Thiago talks about "rhythm", he is not referring to the speed of play itself - "that's the same all over Europe," he says - but rather the speed at which the game resumes at every juncture.
"Throw-ins, corner kicks, goal kicks… everything happens at more speed here and you have to adapt to that," he says. "When there is a situation where you think you can breathe, the ball is already in play again."

Thiago with Fabinho in midfield.

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On Fabinho :
"When I came here, I knew how Fabinho was as a football player, what he has done here and what he did at Monaco, but I didn't know him personally," says Thiago.
"He is a very smart and intelligent player. He knows how and where to be on the pitch, and he has great strength in challenges. He's there, he's strong and he wins all the battles for us.
"Sometimes he has to handle not just his own player but my player or another team-mate's player as well, but he does a great defensive job and you can see also that sometimes he goes forward in an offensive way and does amazingly for us as well."

On Klopp :
"He has been great since the beginning," Thiago says of Klopp, whose Borussia Dortmund side he faced numerous times during his first two seasons at Bayern.
"He's a very beloved person here in our team, our club and in the city as well. He's interesting and at the same time he's calm. He's hard work, but with comic words as well.
"It's very interesting to learn and to keep growing by his side."

Thiago believes has learnt plenty over the course of a season which, remarkably, will be the first of his senior career in which he has not won a trophy. In fact, it is only the second of the last 11 in which has not ended up a league-title winner.

On Not Winning a Trophy :
Thiago believes has learnt plenty over the course of a season which, remarkably, will be the first of his senior career in which he has not won a trophy. In fact, it is only the second of the last 11 in which has not ended up a league-title winner.

"The feeling that I have without a title or a trophy this year is about how hard it is to get it," he says.

"For me, the experience I've had here is my trophy this year," he says.
"To join this team, to train with these players every day, to join the league, to visit many new stadiums and play against great teams… I think those feelings are so important."
 
I didn't realise the site was divided (but I've mostly been AWOL).

For me he's very clearly quality. He's had an interrupted season in a team nowhere near what they should be playing like.

I'm not concerned, and he should be starting every game.
 
He’s a great player and there’s no doubt he’ll be a constant in the team next season.
He understands when to quicken or slow the tempo, can keep things simple or put in piercing passes and can breeze past his marker.
Love him.
 
I didn't realise the site was divided (but I've mostly been AWOL).

For me he's very clearly quality. He's had an interrupted season in a team nowhere near what they should be playing like.

I'm not concerned, and he should be starting every game.

It’s not divided.

There are a couple of regular troll posters, posters who purposely like to be contrary and fuckwits - then there’s everyone else that recognises we have a top quality midfielder that’s had a difficult bedding in period.

It’s no fuckibg surprise to people with half a brain that Thiago has looked good when our best midfielder - Fabinho - plays alongside him.

Just think what he’ll be like if we can get Thiago, Fabs & Hendo regularly playing together.
 
It’s not divided.

There are a couple of regular troll posters, posters who purposely like to be contrary and fuckwits - then there’s everyone else that recognises we have a top quality midfielder that’s had a difficult bedding in period.

It’s no fuckibg surprise to people with half a brain that Thiago has looked good when our best midfielder - Fabinho - plays alongside him.

Just think what he’ll be like if we can get Thiago, Fabs & Hendo regularly playing together.
I always assume they are the type who think “I’ve heard Richard Keys say it on BeIn Sports, so my opinion is valid”
 
It’s not divided.

There are a couple of regular troll posters, posters who purposely like to be contrary and fuckwits - then there’s everyone else that recognises we have a top quality midfielder that’s had a difficult bedding in period.

It’s no fuckibg surprise to people with half a brain that Thiago has looked good when our best midfielder - Fabinho - plays alongside him.

Just think what he’ll be like if we can get Thiago, Fabs & Hendo regularly playing together.

You mean its Ross vs the rest of the forum?
 
Most palyers take time to settle into the EPL, he's qaulity and just needed time to adapt.
 
I really don't think the forum is that divided on him. Most people think he's world class and got a very unfortunate start to his Liverpool career so he took a long time to adapt.
 
His talent was apparent from the first time he put on the kit for us. What was less apparent was his impact on our play or results. He came into the team at a bad time, when we were floundering badly and we couldn't afford to bed him in.

I don't think any of the criticism was over the top. However, as the team rounds back into form he is beginning to exert control of matches and display the qualities we purchased him for. Great to see. Hope he can be a vital contributor going forward.
 
His talent was apparent from the first time he put on the kit for us. What was less apparent was his impact on our play or results. He came into the team at a bad time, when we were floundering badly and we couldn't afford to bed him in.

I don't think any of the criticism was over the top. However, as the team rounds back into form he is beginning to exert control of matches and display the qualities we purchased him for. Great to see. Hope he can be a vital contributor going forward.

There was certainly arguments to be made regarding the criticism, more so when you read Klopps comments about how his adaption to the team and league was hampered by injuries, Covid and the struggles of the team.

Everyone with half a brain could see how good he is, and that it would click when everything was set up correct.
 
There was certainly arguments to be made regarding the criticism, more so when you read Klopps comments about how his adaption to the team and league was hampered by injuries, Covid and the struggles of the team.

Everyone with half a brain could see how good he is, and that it would click when everything was set up correct.

I think what was more in question was if we would get back to where we were as a team. Had the mentality been dented or irrevocably damaged. We'll find out tomorrow, I guess.

Now that he's "adapted", I'll be expecting him to pull us out of the muck when the cards are down, though. No more excuses for being a passenger. We know he's talented, he's settled down - needs to be a leader in good and bad.
 
If we're at full strength next season - meaning Fabs, Hendo, Thiago in midfield most of time - we're the best team in the country again.

This season really is 80% injuries and exhaustion. When we're all back and rested, we'll be back fighting Qatar right until the end.
 
I think what was more in question was if we would get back to where we were as a team. Had the mentality been dented or irrevocably damaged. We'll find out tomorrow, I guess.

Now that he's "adapted", I'll be expecting him to pull us out of the muck when the cards are down, though. No more excuses for being a passenger. We know he's talented, he's settled down - needs to be a leader in good and bad.

Yeah, agreed with the first part. We wont know that until next season though. We’re certainly not back yet, but we’ve at least got more balance now and given him a plattform to perform.

It could all go tits up tomorrow though..
 
He's never been an enforcer type player but for a few games he was being judged on his ability to be an enforcer type player especially with fabs in defence. Since fabs has returned to midfield it's no wonder his performances have improved. Great player hes kinda like our version of Bruno Fernandes with regard to how he's expected to be the creative focul point of the midfield.
 
Imagine him as one of the 2 holding midfielders in a 4231, where he didn't have to be so mobile and could play more like Alonso.

That would suit him even better, next to Fabs, who would be the Hamann/Mascher.
 
He is a liability physically and defensively. As much as we can make that not matter, his magic will shine through. Nothing I have seen has changed my mind on that. He'll be good to great for us, but as an opposing manager I'd look to attack him and get him sent off cause it looks possible to do.
 
He is a liability physically and defensively. As much as we can make that not matter, his magic will shine through. Nothing I have seen has changed my mind on that. He'll be good to great for us, but as an opposing manager I'd look to attack him and get him sent off cause it looks possible to do.

But that’s the benefit of having a three man midfield as opposed to two. They can target Thiago all they like but there’s Hendo and Fabio to twat whoever it is that tries.
 
But that’s the benefit of having a three man midfield as opposed to two. They can target Thiago all they like but there’s Hendo and Fabio to twat whoever it is that tries.
Yeah well, I hope we always have that luxury. But one could argue that we have often had two such players in our back 6 this year. So it took awhile to adapt to without our colossus and fabs in defense.
 
He is a liability physically and defensively. As much as we can make that not matter, his magic will shine through. Nothing I have seen has changed my mind on that. He'll be good to great for us, but as an opposing manager I'd look to attack him and get him sent off cause it looks possible to do.
Really ? He has one of the best defensive records in the team since he's arrived (along with Fabs and Phillips), so quite a long way from a defensive liability then. People see what they want to see which is why I said Thiago is divisive on this forum.
 
I enjoyed his physicality today. Combined with Fabs, we dominated. I think this was always the biggest risk for him, but now seems to have actually adapted, which Keita (also coming from Germany) never did.

All upwards from here.
 
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