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Modo

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I'd like me some Gerrard.

My line up:

Reina

Kelly Carra Coates Enrique

Lucas Gerrard

Maxi Suarez Bellamy
Kuyt

Subs: Doni, Wilson, Robinson, Spearing, Downing, Henderson, Carroll

Don't see why we should change the midfield, well except Gerrard/Spearing.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46966.msg1403188#msg1403188 date=1316644273]
I'd like me some Gerrard.

My line up:

Reina

Kelly Carra Coates Enrique

Lucas Gerrard

Maxi Suarez Bellamy
Kuyt

Subs: Doni, Wilson, Robinson, Spearing, Downing, Henderson, Carroll

Don't see why we should change the midfield, well except Gerrard/Spearing.
[/quote]I think Skrtel is back from suspension? That aside id go with that. Although as has been mentioned Suarez looks like he needs a rest, so you could stick Kuyt out right, Maxi left, Bellamy in behind and big Andy C up top.
 
Suarez should have been rested tonight, not at the weekend. I don't get that at all. Wolves are no mugs. Mind you neither are Brighton who are riding high and knocked out Sunderland in the last round. I just thing the league is infinitely more important than a tin pot.
 
------------------Reina--------------------

Kelly-------Carra-----Skrtel------Enrique

-------------Lucas------Adam------------

Kuyt-----------Gerrard---------Downing

----------------Carroll---------------------


Subs: Doni,Bellamy, Suarez, Maxi, Henderson, Robinson, Wilson.
 
To be honest, it doesn't matter what team we have on the pitch as long as Adam isn't starting.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46966.msg1403188#msg1403188 date=1316644273]
I'd like me some Gerrard.

My line up:

Reina

Kelly Carra Coates Enrique

Lucas Gerrard

Maxi Suarez Bellamy
Kuyt

Subs: Doni, Wilson, Robinson, Spearing, Downing, Henderson, Carroll

Don't see why we should change the midfield, well except Gerrard/Spearing.
[/quote]

Don't be ridiculous. Did the Captain look Premiership match fit to you this evening?
 
To be honest I was playing Gears 3 during the 2nd half so I just listened to the game.
Anyway he's back, and I don't want Adam anywhere near the starting line up. Same goes for Hendo.

He needs games to get fit. Why not let him play against Wolves. Can't think of a better PL game to play in.

He'll be tired in the 2nd half but we'll already be up by 2-3 goals.
 
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=46966.msg1403236#msg1403236 date=1316659108]
Bellars would be in my team on Saturday.
[/quote]

He has specific physical limitations so he just may not be able to play so soon again.
 
I think some of you are looking at it all wrong thb.

Suarez and Lucas are struggeling a bit as a result of the Copa. But they arent tired or knackered, I just think their off form and off sync as a result of being 1 month or so behind everyone else in terms of fitness.

How do you get that sharpness and form back? By playing matches and training. NOT resting.
Thats why they played yesterday I presume, and they'll play on saturday aswell.

Suarez will hopefully find his form soon enough.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46966.msg1403268#msg1403268 date=1316674298]
I think some of you are looking at it all wrong thb.

Suarez and Lucas are struggeling a bit as a result of the Copa. But they arent tired or knackered, I just think their off form and off sync as a result of being 1 month or so behind everyone else in terms of fitness.

How do you get that sharpness and form back? By playing matches and training. NOT resting.
Thats why they played yesterday I presume, and they'll play on saturday aswell.

Suarez will hopefully find his form soon enough.
[/quote]


Rubbish. If you're mentally tired, you wouldn't be able to play properly. Physical isn't the only thing here in football. Mentally you must be prepared as well.


So by sitting on the bench for a couple of games or more hours in training would probably do him good. Sometimes different problems need to be treated differently. Suarez just need to rest a couple of games. Let Kuyt and Bellamy play upfront. Gerrard at right midfield.
 
--------------Reina
Kelly--Carragher--Coates--Enrique
--------Lucas----Spearing
Bellamy---Suarez----Downing
-------------Kuyt


Maxi and Gerrard can come on for Bellamy and Suarez if they tire in the second half, I dont think Gerrard is ready for a start yet after so long out, he would do well to get 30 minutes or so under his belt. Coates should stay in for Skrtel, Wolves will play for set pieces and try loading it into the box from every opportunity so we need somebody who can dominate the aerial battle. Spearing stays in despite Adam being available because he needs to learn that he will have to compete for his place here and that picking up a card per game is not gonna be the way to do. Big Andy as always should be on the bench, throw him on for Dirk if we need to go direct late in the game
 
----------------Reina-----------------
-Kelly---Skrtel---Carra---Enrique-
---------Lucas----Adam-------------
--Bellamy---Maxi------Downing---
-------------Suarez------------------

Bit harsh on Kuyt though, but we need to go at them and that's probably the best we've got in that respect. Gerrard won't be ready, Carroll and Henderson deserve to stay on the bench and I'm not sure if Coates is quite ready yet.
 
----------------Reina-----------------
-Kelly------Skrtel---Carra---Enrique--------
Henderson----Lucas----Adam-----Downing
-------Bellamy------Suarez------------
 
------------------Pepe--------------------

Kelly------Carra----Skrtel----Enrique

-----Hendo----Stevie----Adam--------

---Suarez-----Carroll----Downing


Subs: Doni, Kuyt, Bellers, Coates, Robinson, Lucas, Maxi
 
I can't understand why people are advocating putting Carroll and Henderson in there on current form, they're both offering absolutely jack shit.
 
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46966.msg1403305#msg1403305 date=1316683332]
------------------Pepe--------------------

Kelly------Carra----Skrtel----Enrique

-----Hendo----Stevie----Adam--------

---Suarez-----Carroll----Downing


Subs: Doni, Kuyt, Bellers, Coates, Robinson, Lucas, Maxi
[/quote]

can't see lucas being dropped and I don't think gerrard is up to starting games just yet.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46966.msg1403301#msg1403301 date=1316682928]
----------------Reina-----------------
-Kelly---Skrtel---Carra---Enrique-
---------Lucas----Adam-------------
--Bellamy---Maxi------Downing---
-------------Suarez------------------

Bit harsh on Kuyt though, but we need to go at them and that's probably the best we've got in that respect. Gerrard won't be ready, Carroll and Henderson deserve to stay on the bench and I'm not sure if Coates is quite ready yet.
[/quote]


I like that team Mark but I just cant see Kenny putting Maxi in instead of Henderson or Kuyt. It's a shame because Adam needs movement and outlets ahead of him if we are to get the best out of him. I think that front four would provide it. I'd currently rather have Kuyt or Maxi in the team any day over Henderson.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46966.msg1403307#msg1403307 date=1316683487]
I can't understand why people are advocating putting Carroll and Henderson in there on current form, they're both offering absolutely jack shit.
[/quote]

and they aren't going to improve unless they are given minutes, these are their formative years.
I don't know about carroll but I'll be amazed if henderson doesn't start at the weekend, AMAZED.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46966.msg1403307#msg1403307 date=1316683487]
I can't understand why people are advocating putting Carroll and Henderson in there on current form, they're both offering absolutely jack shit.
[/quote]

I think Kenny needs to back them mate, not stick them on the bench.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46966.msg1403310#msg1403310 date=1316683711]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46966.msg1403307#msg1403307 date=1316683487]
I can't understand why people are advocating putting Carroll and Henderson in there on current form, they're both offering absolutely jack shit.
[/quote]

and they aren't going to improve unless they are given minutes, these are their formative years.
I don't know about carroll but I'll be amazed if henderson doesn't start at the weekend, AMAZED.
[/quote]

Maybe they wont improve because they're not very good?
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46966.msg1403310#msg1403310 date=1316683711]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46966.msg1403307#msg1403307 date=1316683487]
I can't understand why people are advocating putting Carroll and Henderson in there on current form, they're both offering absolutely jack shit.
[/quote]

and they aren't going to improve unless they are given minutes, these are their formative years.
I don't know about carroll but I'll be amazed if henderson doesn't start at the weekend, AMAZED.
[/quote]

With the price being lost points in the process? It's hardly a winning mentality. We can't afford to take risks with defeats already, when those two play in the same side we look like we're playing with 9 men.
 
[quote author=The_Rule link=topic=46966.msg1403272#msg1403272 date=1316676030]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46966.msg1403268#msg1403268 date=1316674298]
I think some of you are looking at it all wrong thb.

Suarez and Lucas are struggeling a bit as a result of the Copa. But they arent tired or knackered, I just think their off form and off sync as a result of being 1 month or so behind everyone else in terms of fitness.

How do you get that sharpness and form back? By playing matches and training. NOT resting.
Thats why they played yesterday I presume, and they'll play on saturday aswell.

Suarez will hopefully find his form soon enough.
[/quote]


Rubbish. If you're mentally tired, you wouldn't be able to play properly. Physical isn't the only thing here in football. Mentally you must be prepared as well.


So by sitting on the bench for a couple of games or more hours in training would probably do him good. Sometimes different problems need to be treated differently. Suarez just need to rest a couple of games. Let Kuyt and Bellamy play upfront. Gerrard at right midfield.
[/quote]

You have absolutly no clue whatsoever.
 
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46966.msg1403313#msg1403313 date=1316683901]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46966.msg1403307#msg1403307 date=1316683487]
I can't understand why people are advocating putting Carroll and Henderson in there on current form, they're both offering absolutely jack shit.
[/quote]

I think Kenny needs to back them mate, not stick them on the bench.
[/quote]

In some respects I'd agree, but we're already 8pts down. They should have played in the Cup. They need to be on the bench and coming into a game where we're winning so they can show what they do with less pressure and build up some kind of form. Throwing them into games at the minute is doing nothing for us or them.
 
[quote author=Cerberus link=topic=46966.msg1403314#msg1403314 date=1316683969]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46966.msg1403310#msg1403310 date=1316683711]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46966.msg1403307#msg1403307 date=1316683487]
I can't understand why people are advocating putting Carroll and Henderson in there on current form, they're both offering absolutely jack shit.
[/quote]

and they aren't going to improve unless they are given minutes, these are their formative years.
I don't know about carroll but I'll be amazed if henderson doesn't start at the weekend, AMAZED.
[/quote]

Maybe they wont improve because they're not very good?
[/quote]

I think they are clearly good players lacking confidence. carroll was awesome in the first half of last season (for newcastle) and henderson has shown good touches for liverpool, if this team could finish he would have racked up the assists already.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46966.msg1403317#msg1403317 date=1316684091]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46966.msg1403313#msg1403313 date=1316683901]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46966.msg1403307#msg1403307 date=1316683487]
I can't understand why people are advocating putting Carroll and Henderson in there on current form, they're both offering absolutely jack shit.
[/quote]

I think Kenny needs to back them mate, not stick them on the bench.
[/quote]

In some respects I'd agree, but we're already 8pts down. They should have played in the Cup. They need to be on the bench and coming into a game where we're winning so they can show what they do with less pressure and build up some kind of form. Throwing them into games at the minute is doing nothing for us or them.
[/quote]

8pts down? oh mark...mark...mark...

we're 3pts off top 3 and that is our target for this season.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46966.msg1403318#msg1403318 date=1316684205]
[quote author=Cerberus link=topic=46966.msg1403314#msg1403314 date=1316683969]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46966.msg1403310#msg1403310 date=1316683711]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46966.msg1403307#msg1403307 date=1316683487]
I can't understand why people are advocating putting Carroll and Henderson in there on current form, they're both offering absolutely jack shit.
[/quote]

and they aren't going to improve unless they are given minutes, these are their formative years.
I don't know about carroll but I'll be amazed if henderson doesn't start at the weekend, AMAZED.
[/quote]

Maybe they wont improve because they're not very good?
[/quote]

I think they are clearly good players lacking confidence. carroll was awesome in the first half of last season (for newcastle) and henderson has shown good touches for liverpool, if this team could finish he would have racked up the assists already.
[/quote]

Yes I agree, that Stoke game being a case in point. If only Henderson had buried that chance he had one on one.

He's playing like a passenger Neil, so is Carroll, they need to be eased in if they're short on confidence. It's costing us and doing nothing for them. No surprise you're happy to take Kuyt out even though these two are giving us nothing. Even more surprising given both are painfully sluggish, which is half of your case against Kuyt.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46966.msg1403319#msg1403319 date=1316684305]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46966.msg1403317#msg1403317 date=1316684091]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46966.msg1403313#msg1403313 date=1316683901]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46966.msg1403307#msg1403307 date=1316683487]
I can't understand why people are advocating putting Carroll and Henderson in there on current form, they're both offering absolutely jack shit.
[/quote]

I think Kenny needs to back them mate, not stick them on the bench.
[/quote]

In some respects I'd agree, but we're already 8pts down. They should have played in the Cup. They need to be on the bench and coming into a game where we're winning so they can show what they do with less pressure and build up some kind of form. Throwing them into games at the minute is doing nothing for us or them.
[/quote]

8pts down? oh mark...mark...mark...

we're 3pts off top 3 and that is our target for this season.
[/quote]

We've dropped 8pts, 5 against teams we should have beaten.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46966.msg1403317#msg1403317 date=1316684091]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46966.msg1403313#msg1403313 date=1316683901]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46966.msg1403307#msg1403307 date=1316683487]
I can't understand why people are advocating putting Carroll and Henderson in there on current form, they're both offering absolutely jack shit.
[/quote]

I think Kenny needs to back them mate, not stick them on the bench.
[/quote]

In some respects I'd agree, but we're already 8pts down. They should have played in the Cup. They need to be on the bench and coming into a game where we're winning so they can show what they do with less pressure and build up some kind of form. Throwing them into games at the minute is doing nothing for us or them.
[/quote]

After spending £50 odd mil on these 2 and being only a few games in i'd be more concerned if Kenny wasn't willing to stick by them tbh Mark. We've got Wolves at home where you'd hope we should have the lions share of the ball, sounds like a good place for Hendo and Carroll to gain some confidence to me mate.
 
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