Why are we letting in so many goals?
Why are we letting in so many goals?
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Reina is too fat, Carra hoofs too much and our full backs don't overlap enough
Because we can't press from midfield. The other teams walk through our midifeld. We don't have any ancklesnappers running around making life difficult for the opposition.
The plan is that we are supoosed to keep the ball for 75% of the game, hence we don't need these players. But in England you can't keep the ball like in Spain. We actually kept the ball better last season when Lucas was playing than we have now, and the reason is that we are capable of winning it back early.
The plan is that we are supoosed to keep the ball for 75% of the game, hence we don't need these players. But in England you can't keep the ball like in Spain. We actually kept the ball better last season when Lucas was playing than we have now, and the reason is that we are capable of winning it back early.
B/c we're getting relegated! HOOORAY!
The system needs every player pressing.
We don't have the players in the squad who can do this at high enough intensity.
I like sahin as a player but the difference between him and Allen at the moment is massive. Allen is always chasing and forcing players to make mistakes. There was a massive difference when Shevley came onto the pitch in derby was viable from the first few minutes, he stuck his foot in and and made neverton make mistakes.
We don't have the players in the squad who can do this at high enough intensity.
I like sahin as a player but the difference between him and Allen at the moment is massive. Allen is always chasing and forcing players to make mistakes. There was a massive difference when Shevley came onto the pitch in derby was viable from the first few minutes, he stuck his foot in and and made neverton make mistakes.
I'm going for 'because we are not very good.'
Loads of reasons:
* Our defenders aren't that good. Well, they're not as good as the infamous back fours we had through the noughties.
* We haven't got a true DM. Even with Lucas there we afford the opposition acres of space infront of our back four.
* We're not as industrious in midfield as we once were. Under Ged and early Rafa we had a flat bank of four who were hardworking. Latter Rafa we had two strong holding players and the added protection of a fit and flying Gerrard. We now have more flair and less graft.
* We don't score enough goals, so we invite pressure and inevitably make mistakes. We also throw too many players forward and leave ourselves open trying to get that elusive break through.
* Attacking fullbacks. We lack players that, like Arbeloa, Riise and Finnan did, tuck inside to become the third centre back. Couple this with a system where the fullbacks are now wing backs playing on the half way line. Which inturn leaves the centre halves playing wider without a real DM dropping in. It's suicidal and Rodgers needs to bend it a bit to make use of what we have, rather than trying to achieve something we don't have the players to match.
* Our keeper is on the decline, and we've had a mismatch of systems and marking procedures implemented and then done away with due to changes in staff and management.
* Our defenders aren't that good. Well, they're not as good as the infamous back fours we had through the noughties.
* We haven't got a true DM. Even with Lucas there we afford the opposition acres of space infront of our back four.
* We're not as industrious in midfield as we once were. Under Ged and early Rafa we had a flat bank of four who were hardworking. Latter Rafa we had two strong holding players and the added protection of a fit and flying Gerrard. We now have more flair and less graft.
* We don't score enough goals, so we invite pressure and inevitably make mistakes. We also throw too many players forward and leave ourselves open trying to get that elusive break through.
* Attacking fullbacks. We lack players that, like Arbeloa, Riise and Finnan did, tuck inside to become the third centre back. Couple this with a system where the fullbacks are now wing backs playing on the half way line. Which inturn leaves the centre halves playing wider without a real DM dropping in. It's suicidal and Rodgers needs to bend it a bit to make use of what we have, rather than trying to achieve something we don't have the players to match.
* Our keeper is on the decline, and we've had a mismatch of systems and marking procedures implemented and then done away with due to changes in staff and management.
How old are you? Not a dig, just intrigued as to how you've never seen us defend this badly before.
Check this out. I was there that night. Still the stuff of nightmares.
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s9spYVKE9c
I like Mark's answer because it's comprehensive but it also basically blames our bad defense on everything. If everything is to blame then you're not really answering the question. I'm thinking of four categories of reasons: personnel, system, organization and attitude. Is it mainly that we have poor defenders who could only really defend when the whole team is organized to protect them? Is it that the system is simply too open? Is it that the system is fine but they are not yet organized or coached sufficiently to implement it? Or is it that the players need a massive kick up the arse?
Mark is pretty spot on. Before the Everton game we had 3 games on the trot with clean sheets, so lets hope we see more of that.
We miss Lucas though and we're more likely to concede goals in the start of implementing a new system.
Many of the goals we've conceded are down to personal mistakes.
We miss Lucas though and we're more likely to concede goals in the start of implementing a new system.
Many of the goals we've conceded are down to personal mistakes.
I hate this 'individual mistakes' and 'personal mistakes' shit. Sorry chaps but I think it's lazy.
Collimore got his fair share along with Fowler and Rush, Heskey scored a load in his first season (displacing Fowler, unfortunately) along with Owen, Gerrard and Garcia scored a load of goals before Torres came, the former doing similar once Torres was around.
That's not the reason.
Either our players are too thick or Rodgers is instructing them wrong.
When we're attacking the opposition team, we're left with three, sometimes even two players around the halfway line.
It's suicidal. When one player goes up from defense, a midfielder should be covering straight away. We do none of that. We invite teams to counter attack us every game.
Its not lazy. How can you defend against Skrtels back pass or a shite Jones punch? Is that lazy?
It is. All goals are generally scored because of mistakes. Look at the 'individual' brilliance of Gera's goal against us. No one closed him down either. He capitalised on it and scored. It's when it happens regularly you can start to examine it and point out the issue. We've got too many players who simply aren't good enough. Regardless of formation, system or whatever. You know when you're stood a few yards away from a player and they get to the ball and score that you've not done your job.
I do think it's a bit daft to presume it can only really be heavily down to one thing. We've been less solid since the break up of our good back four and slowly have let in more goals while trying to become more expansive. It was inevitable.
Of course it's a form of laziness, it's not concentrating, it's not having the intelligence to make the right decision, or going for the easy option.
Look at Carra (at his best), he'd throw himself infront of everything, as opposed to putting a foot in, getting it away from a player without thinking about where the ball will land next. It's having that ability to constantly be aware of what's coming next, not just getting a foot in but making sure the next player it goes to isn't just going to bang it in the back of the net anyway.
Johnson is the perfect example of my frustration at our current crop, in this respect.
Rafa's probably lapping it up at the minute, give the criticism he got over zonal (which was often justified from setpieces).McCarthy made some good points the week before in the defense of zonal (I know, I know.. ).
Yes. I think they do that fairly well most of the time but the real problems arise when the back four are joined by teammates for free kicks and corners and they don't seem to have anyone organising them. They get sucked out of position or they're not even in position in the first place. Hansen pointed out that in the West Brom league game, when the team needed a man on the edge of the penalty area in line with the spot to deal with the second ball, Downing was assigned the role and he started too far across when corners came in. Then against Everton they put Sterling there and he kept wandering off and leaving the area wide open, which was especially damaging when the first goal conceded came through that very space. Now that Carragher's not there regularly they need Agger or someone to take charge and drill the rest in their duties.
Sorry I should clarify that when I said 'lazy' I meant that people citing individual errors all the time are lazy and should look at the underlying reasons, which Mark has subsequently highlighted quite well.
We havent conceded a goal from a set piece yet in the league though.
Although the first may have been Jones horrendous punch to Osman. But a direct goal from a set piece we are yet to concede.
Sorry Mark and Gene I misunderstood the point of the post. Agree fwiw.
Although the first may have been Jones horrendous punch to Osman. But a direct goal from a set piece we are yet to concede.
Sorry Mark and Gene I misunderstood the point of the post. Agree fwiw.
one thing i have noticed time and time again is how allen rushes out to pressurise players only to be isolate and leave acres behind him. either the other players are not pressuring at the same time, or he needs to restrain himself. it reeks of us still adapting to BR's style.
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